Arthur Melo - Barcelona's new number eight

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I’m so confused by this whole thing
 

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Not sure what Barca get out of it. Unless their financial situation is really that bad that they need the deal to book the dodgy accounting. For footballing reasons it’s a crap deal, great for Juve though.
 

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I’m so confused by this whole thing
These swaps to navigate FFP seem to becoming more common, Barca did one last year with Valencia swapping Cillessen for Neto. It speaks of the mismanagement at Barcelona though that a very promising young midfielder is being forced out due to it not working out there yet and due to them needing to fudge their accounts before 30 June.
 

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Thats quite a lot of money in this market... especially when he isn't really first team key player for Barca
 

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Arthur is not as talented as people think he is. He has one special quality, his dribbling ability to evade pressure. He has many negative qualities that have not been covered in this thread:

- He does not have a creative bone in his body
- His forward passing is average at best
- His long passing is below average
- He is a bit of a party animal and undisciplined
- Injury prone
- Has horrible fitness and runs out of steam very quickly
- Despite playing deep, he is mediocre defensively
I agree with this. He's nowhere as good as people claim he is. A lot of the time I find him to be underwhelming.
 

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Thats quite a lot of money in this market... especially when he isn't really first team key player for Barca
Except, correct me if I’m wrong, surely it’s not because it’s 10m euros difference and they can say whatever prices they like for accounting reasons presumably? How would it be beneficial to overprice these players like this?
 

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These post-pandemic fees put our club in advantage to certain situations and disadvantage in others.

On one hand, our top players that might be pursued by other top clubs can retain their value and we can't be bullied into selling Pogba for a cut-price, as an example. On the other hand, the same sentiment goes for us and we won't be able to seriously negotiate the price down of someone like Sancho, which I fear will mean we go for someone else, since what Dormund are asking is just too much.
 

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Thats quite a lot of money in this market... especially when he isn't really first team key player for Barca
Its Pjanic + 10m.

People will be shitting on Arthur for his price tag when in reality its a great price for Juve..
 

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Arthur is not as talented as people think he is. He has one special quality, his dribbling ability to evade pressure. He has many negative qualities that have not been covered in this thread:

- He does not have a creative bone in his body
- His forward passing is average at best
- His long passing is below average
- He is a bit of a party animal and undisciplined
- Injury prone
- Has horrible fitness and runs out of steam very quickly
- Despite playing deep, he is mediocre defensively
I've said this myself a few times on here.

Though, for me, his one good attribute in which he's probably better than anyone in (press resistance) is so good that despite all of his flaws on the pitch; of which there are many, he still is a good player because of that sole attribute.
 

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Except, correct me if I’m wrong, surely it’s not because it’s 10m euros difference and they can say whatever prices they like for accounting reasons presumably? How would it be beneficial to overprice these players like this?
It's beneficial in the short term, harmful in the medium term and neutral long term.

Players are considered assets accounting wise, so their value is appreciated over the course of their contracts. When they sell Melo for €80, they recieve an €80 m accounting profit for the books. If they buy Pjanic for €70 m they will of course have to pay the €70 m according to the deal they do with Juve, but that's not how it's registered. If they give Pjanic a 4 year deal, then he's a €70 m asset that loses €70/4 m value per year, or €17.5 m. So, accounting wise they register an 80 million profit for the sale of Melo, a 17.5 million loss for Pjanic, and a net profit of 62.5 million.

This makes them able to spend more without breaching FFP. However, for the next three years after they'll register a 17.5 million loss each year, harming their ability to spend in accordance with FFP those years. It's a band-aid, basically.

This is a little bit simplified because Melo's book value has to be subtracted from this year's net profit. They bought him for 30 million, so if they gave him a 5 year deal that's 6 million per year. He's been there for two years, so he's now worth 18 million. Accounting profit from his sale is then (80 million - 18 million = 62 million), not 80 million, but this doesn't impact the benefits and drawbacks by inflating the fees like this.
 
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These swaps to navigate FFP seem to becoming more common, Barca did one last year with Valencia swapping Cillessen for Neto. It speaks of the mismanagement at Barcelona though that a very promising young midfielder is being forced out due to it not working out there yet and due to them needing to fudge their accounts before 30 June.
Think of all the money wasted on Griezmann/Dembele/Coutinho. It's crazy.
 

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It's beneficial in the short term, harmful in the medium term and neutral long term.

Players are considered assets accounting wise, so their value is appreciated over the course of their contracts. When they sell Melo for €80, they recieve an €80 m accounting profit for the books. If they buy Pjanic for €70 m they will of course have to pay the €70 m according to the deal they do with Juve, but that's not how it's registered. If they give Pjanic a 4 year deal, then he's a €70 m asset that loses €70/4 m value per year, or €17.5 m. So, accounting wise they register an 80 million profit for the sale of Melo, a 17.5 million loss for Pjanic, and a net profit of 62.5 million.

This makes them able to spend more without breaching FFP. However, for the next three years after they'll register a 17.5 million loss each year, harming their ability to spend in accordance with FFP those years. It's a band-aid, basically.

This is a little bit simplified because Melo's book value has to be subtracted from this year's net profit. They bought him for 30 million, so if they gave him a 5 year deal that's 6 million per year. He's been there for two years, so he's now worth 18 million. Accounting profit from his sale is then (80 million - 18 million = 62 million), not 80 million, but this doesn't impact the benefits and drawbacks by inflating the fees like this.
Great, really helpful, thanks!
 

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It's beneficial in the short term, harmful in the medium term and neutral long term.

Players are considered assets accounting wise, so their value is appreciated over the course of their contracts. When they sell Melo for €80, they recieve an €80 m accounting profit for the books. If they buy Pjanic for €70 m they will of course have to pay the €70 m according to the deal they do with Juve, but that's not how it's registered. If they give Pjanic a 4 year deal, then he's a €70 m asset that loses €70/4 m value per year, or €17.5 m. So, accounting wise they register an 80 million profit for the sale of Melo, a 17.5 million loss for Pjanic, and a net profit of 62.5 million.

This makes them able to spend more without breaching FFP. However, for the next three years after they'll register a 17.5 million loss each year, harming their ability to spend in accordance with FFP those years. It's a band-aid, basically.

This is a little bit simplified because Melo's book value has to be subtracted from this year's net profit. They bought him for 30 million, so if they gave him a 5 year deal that's 6 million per year. He's been there for two years, so he's now worth 18 million. Accounting profit from his sale is then (80 million - 18 million = 62 million), not 80 million, but this doesn't impact the benefits and drawbacks by inflating the fees like this.
Don't they just brutally inflate the market and tie their own hands with that strategy? If they want to do the same next year (as in, artificially creating a bet profit), they'll have to resort to even bigger fake sums given that these 17.5m yearly losses will add up.
Also, don't agents often get % out of transfer fees? They needlessly give them even more with such transfer sums.
 

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Don't they just brutally inflate the market and tie their own hands with that strategy? If they want to do the same next year (as in, artificially creating a bet profit), they'll have to resort to even bigger fake sums given that these 17.5m yearly losses will add up.
Also, don't agents often get % out of transfer fees? They needlessly give them even more with such transfer sums.
Considering that everyone probably knows what's going on, I doubt it will influence the market much, if at all. Barca and Juve will have some more room to buy, or to avoid selling, so that could have some impact but probably not a lot.

If they keep doing this, that's more interesting. I'd assume some governing bodies would be forced to look into things if it gets too crazy to ignore, though I'm sure they don't want to, and if they fail go get someone else to play ball with them then they're screwed. That doesn't mean they won't try, of course, football history is full of brutal economic stories. Short is, I don't know.

Agent fees, absolutely, that's an unnecessary cost they take on to do this, so me saying it's neutral long term financially wasn't strictly speaking correct.
 

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"The incoming "money" -- and it's worth repeating that the only cash on the move is €12m -- is immediate income in full. The outgoing cost is spread across the duration of their contracts through amortisation. Hey, presto, close to a €50m profit. Which is handy when it comes to FFP. The accountancy is more creative than the midfielders are."

Sid Lowe is a savage :lol:
 

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This takes Juve's attention off Pogba for the forseeable future. Hopefully Madrid spunks on someone like Debruyne.
 

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Is this something Juventus have done before with Danilo and Cancelo? Because that deal stunk to high heaven as well.