We are absolutely not the worst team to watch in terms of quality.Then there's the fact that we are definitely the worst team to watch in the Prem, in terms of entertainment and quality football.
At a time when Liverpool and City are playing fantastic stuff.
It actually couldn't be any worse for a Utd fan. It's like a weird worst case scenario alternative reality.
Who in the Prem plays worse football? I can't think of anyone.We are absolutely not the worst team to watch in terms of quality.
City I'll give you but the scousers?Then there's the fact that we are definitely the worst team to watch in the Prem, in terms of entertainment and quality football.
At a time when Liverpool and City are playing fantastic stuff.
It actually couldn't be any worse for a Utd fan. It's like a weird worst case scenario alternative reality.
You haven't met many Bucs fans have you? It's the same sentiment here.I’m honestly baffled at how many people believe the “they want to make money not win trophies” argument. It is completely nonsensical.
If we are going to make money we need to be winning trophies. Everyone is aware of this. It is literally imperative to making money.
Hasn't Ed made a comment about how Liverpool didn't win the league for 30 years yet still just landed a massive sponsor deal? Doesn't sound like a man who agrees unfortunately.I’m honestly baffled at how many people believe the “they want to make money not win trophies” argument. It is completely nonsensical.
If we are going to make money we need to be winning trophies. Everyone is aware of this. It is literally imperative to making money.
Well, yeah.Then there's the fact that we are definitely the worst team to watch in the Prem, in terms of entertainment and quality football.
At a time when Liverpool and City are playing fantastic stuff.
It actually couldn't be any worse for a Utd fan. It's like a weird worst case scenario alternative reality.
We are far from the worst and you know it too if you're being honest with yourself. But yes, we're far from where a team like us should be, looking at it in terms of expectations vs output, we do suck.Then there's the fact that we are definitely the worst team to watch in the Prem, in terms of entertainment and quality football.
At a time when Liverpool and City are playing fantastic stuff.
It actually couldn't be any worse for a Utd fan. It's like a weird worst case scenario alternative reality.
Very well put, it's looking grim for sure. Every year I make 2-3 trips pre december and another 2-3 after to watch us play (Live in Serbia). I've done this for over 15 years but I'm not coming over anymore until the club shows atleast some of the dedication I have, not to mention to the fans that are there every game. Rather put that extra money in my kids accounts than fill the pockets of the clowns running the club.What do we want?....
Since SAF retired, Edwards and the core of staff have left, we have turned into a mickey mouse club in every way possible.
We are all fans, yes, but the chances of getting back to anywhere near where we were, and soon, are slim to none - we are that far behind now that the club has to have a serious re-think. We have been put back 10 years in terms of clubs (our rivals) over-taking us, with the way the club has acted over the last 6 years.
The club is literally dying before our eyes.
I have spent the last 12+ years paying around £3K a year on season tickets, and for the last 6 years it has been extremely painful, and now? Putting new contracts on Jones and other absolute mediocre players; allowing multiple players to leave the club without replacing them, allowing the likes of Pogba to treat us like absolute fools, whilst looking like rank amateurs in the transfer market, and giving the managerial job to somebody with zero experience at this level?..... all of this combined makes us a laughing stock in the world of club football.
It'll be interesting what spin the club puts on their emails to entice fans to renew their season tickets at the end of this season. That should be a right laugh to read to try and get another couple of K out of us to watch this rubbish for another year.
Fellani, Lukaku, Herrera, Smalling (who is better than Maguire, as surprising at that is for us, is true) allowed to leave for peanuts - all such players would walk back into our team tomorrow - albeit it even those players were not good enough, so how bad does that make our current team?!
Think about it, and think about some of the players we have that shouldn't be anywhere near the red shirt - Fred (be honest with yourself!) - Lingard (Championship level at best) - Pereira (nowhere near good enough) - Mata (past it) - Matic (past it), and more. And what are we going to do about that? On recent events we'll probably give them all new contracts... I'm only surprised Lingard's new 4 (+1) year new deal has not been announced yet... although I wouldn't be surprised if that has been done on the quiet.
January is useless for transfers, and with a European/World cup every 2 years, which is also not great for transfer business, we are limited in options for changing this squad as quickly as we need to. One or two players will not make much difference if we have any aspirations of getting back into the top two/three, we need at least 5/6 players of genuine quality to start competing again, and as we are royally fecking this up, seemingly week by week, our rivals are getting even stronger.
Any decent player that now becomes available will choose elsewhere to ply their trade, because who in their right minds would want to step into this uncertain mess this club has become?
I was on holiday overseas recently, just a few weeks ago, and there was a Man United match on TV in the pub (City in the cup), and my lad wouldn't even put his United shirt on for fear of ridicule, and I couldn't blame him one bit.
So what do we (I, at least) want as a fan? We want our respect back; some professionalism back into the club that we have all invested in, either financially, or through years of support.
Too much to ask? It seems that it is. We are 95% certain that we will not be renewing for next season, and will probably let some other mugs take over our seats. It's getting embarrassing to be associated with the club.
You would think that this would follow but they just need to keep the club somewhere around the top 6 or 7 so they can take their 15-20m a year dividend.I’m honestly baffled at how many people believe the “they want to make money not win trophies” argument. It is completely nonsensical.
If we are going to make money we need to be winning trophies. Everyone is aware of this. It is literally imperative to making money.
This is exactly it - it's like every single transfer decision, in or out, is completely wrong. It couldn't be more wrong if we had Carragher in charge and he was deliberately sabotaging the club.Fellani, Lukaku, Herrera, Smalling (who is better than Maguire, as surprising at that is for us, is true) allowed to leave for peanuts - all such players would walk back into our team tomorrow
“Everyone knows that our owners have no interest in taking this club to the top.” This phrase always amuses me because you can’t even back it up. We have spent considerable amounts to stay more than competitive. Its not even a case like arsenal were the owners don’t spend although they rake in high revenues. We have consistently broke transfer records for you to be making false claims that the owners don’t spend money while taking dividends. Stop it and rather focus on our owners not spending the money wisely which is more accurate.Putting aside the obvious issues with the first team, we have become a laughing stock. We have lost a lot of the respect we had as a club under Fergie and that's not just down to performances on the pitch. We have been badly run, everyone knows that our owners have no interest in taking this club to the top , that those in positions of power at the club are mostly inept and that effects our ability to attract the talent we need to improve both on and off the pitch.
There is no difference in terms of profit motive. The only difference would be that they hired a world class manager as soon as the opportunity presented itself. Whilst we have rolled the dice on an unknown quantity and are sticking by it.Is that different than Liverpool’s owners?
on the face of it this is fine but all this proves is that the fanbase is reactionary and has ADHD while also being impatient because most of the signings we have made going back to 2014 were all welcomed, if not a reason for delight at the time before some of them flattered to deceive and then some ex post facto reasoning by the same bunch who were happy with the signings occurs where they claim the signings weren't the right one and we should have signed someone else and so we should immediately move on said recruit who only maybe a year back was quite coveted. Or that we didn't show enough ambition and sign the very best instead of shopping in the bargain bin yet when we pull off a big signing people complain that we overpaid and lack vision by signings mercenaries looking for a final payday with no motivation to play for us e.g Sanchez, Schweinsteiger. This is pretty much the point of the thread where to put it mildly the fandom itself seems to know sfa but keeps moving the goalposts and looks only to find scapegoats without doing a truly dispassionate root cause analysis for our situation which can go some way to solving the problem.Spending poorly, managers, Woodward
We've spent plenty of money, but we've done it poorly. We've agreed to pay huge fees and the majority of them werent worth it. I'd much prefer we signed players in the £30-40 million price range and then sign more of them, rather than £50 million+ because with our track record we're going to need multiple attempts to sign players before we get a few right. We arent doing well enough to sign just a few players at expensive prices because 2/3 of them wont be worth it.
I think they've given managers too much time when they were performing poorly
I think Woodward has had enough chances with the above for us to try someone new
For me it's entirely about the amateurish and nonsensical way we do things, specifically around the squad.Woodward for me.
Hires the wrong managers
Waits forever to sack them
Hired our current one on a whim
Gives mediocre players huge contracts
Takes forever to get new players in
Media spin with lies and false hopes (Where’s that DoF? Where’s those signings?)
Bizarre bipolar behaviour with managers (gives Jose new contract then doesn’t back him in transfer market)
Doesn’t hire people to run football operations and thinks he can do it himself seemingly
I wasn't specifically referring to money, as we have obviously spent a fortune. It's easy for us, we earn a lot of it. More referring to the way the club is run and the owners intentions, which I don't believe align with ours as supporters. Woodward is the clearest example of this, were told that he is good at making money for the club, recruiting sponsors etc but everyone can see that he is terrible at running a successful football club.“Everyone knows that our owners have no interest in taking this club to the top.” This phrase always amuses me because you can’t even back it up. We have spent considerable amounts to stay more than competitive. Its not even a case like arsenal were the owners don’t spend although they rake in high revenues. We have consistently broke transfer records for you to be making false claims that the owners don’t spend money while taking dividends. Stop it and rather focus on our owners not spending the money wisely which is more accurate.
If you're talking about the majority of fans, or majority of posters on this forum then sure.on the face of it this is fine but all this proves is that the fanbase is reactionary and has ADHD while also being impatient because most of the signings we have made going back to 2014 were all welcomed, if not a reason for delight at the time before some of them flattered to deceive and then some ex post facto reasoning by the same bunch who were happy with the signings occurs where they claim the signings weren't the right one and we should have signed someone else and so we should immediately move on said recruit who only maybe a year back was quite coveted. Or that we didn't show enough ambition and sign the very best instead of shopping in the bargain bin yet when we pull off a big signing people complain that we overpaid and lack vision by signings mercenaries looking for a final payday with no motivation to play for us e.g Sanchez, Schweinsteiger. This is pretty much the point of the thread where to put it mildly the fandom itself seems to know sfa but keeps moving the goalposts and looks only to find scapegoats without doing a truly dispassionate root cause analysis for our situation which can go some way to solving the problem.
We have Lingard, Pereira and Mata, Championship quality players, occupying the most important position in our attack and we haven't got a replacement in over 2 windows due to us not wanting to spend. Tragic stuff.
