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Who are these managers then?



Not sure how Big Sam is average. He has a fantastic record as a manager. 95% of managers get sacked a lot.
Big Sam? He's not won anything, his stock work is keeping scufflers up with some old fashioned "hard work" football.
His best days were with Bolton, but he was heavily backed to bring in outrageously talented ex world greats like Okacha, Djorkaeff, Hierro and others!
Dreadful when he's had an opportunity to go to a bigger club, Newcastle, Everton.
 

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Because he has a very good record of getting sides promoted.
In fairness, he has taken tonnes of clubs up, so it's only right he gets to have a few months there before the inevitable sack.

He should have been kicked out of the game permanently for that outrageous game where his mob got loads of sendings off and he was willing players to feign injuries to get the game called off.
Pretty good record of getting them relegated too :D But I guess it's fair to give him a chance with sides he's brought up.
 

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Big Sam? He's not won anything, his stock work is keeping scufflers up with some old fashioned "hard work" football.
His best days were with Bolton, but he was heavily backed to bring in outrageously talented ex world greats like Okacha, Djorkaeff, Hierro and others!
Dreadful when he's had an opportunity to go to a bigger club, Newcastle, Everton.
His points total with Everton had him 6th IIRC. How is that dreadful with that Everton side?

Some foreign managers are good and some of them are poor.

However all English managers play the same extinct football.
That just isn’t true though is it. Eddie Howe, Frank Lampard, Graham Potter to name a few don’t play that style.
 

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That just isn’t true though is it. Eddie Howe, Frank Lampard, Graham Potter to name a few don’t play that style.
I'll give you Eddie Howe but how are you seriously talking about Lampard who hasn't even had one half of a season under his belt.

You're very supportive of English managers aren't you ?
 

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I'll give you Eddie Howe but how are you seriously talking about Lampard who hasn't even had one half of a season under his belt.

You're very supportive of English managers aren't you ?
And you're almost comically critical of them. Swings and roundabouts.
 

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His points total with Everton had him 6th IIRC. How is that dreadful with that Everton side?



That just isn’t true though is it. Eddie Howe, Frank Lampard, Graham Potter to name a few don’t play that style.
Bit early to be lauding Lampard isn't it? About 10 games in? Do you watch them?
 

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And you're almost comically critical of them. Swings and roundabouts.
Comically yeah, they have been very successful all around aren't they ?

I'm just stating the truth. Best any English manager can get currently is a bottom table team and relegation fodder. That's what is actually happening.
 

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I'll give you Eddie Howe but how are you seriously talking about Lampard who hasn't even had one half of a season under his belt.

You're very supportive of English managers aren't you ?
They have not been among the elite recently but to claim a manager with Bruce’s record as being rubbish and implying that he only gets jobs because of his nationality is complete nonsense.

OK Sam plays crap football but his record at Everton was about as good as could have been hoped for in that short space of time.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...-everton-the-style-questions-will-not-go-away
 

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They have not been among the elite recently but to claim a manager with Bruce’s record as being rubbish and implying that he only gets jobs because of his nationality is complete nonsense.

OK Sam plays crap football but his record at Everton was about as good as could have been hoped for in that short space of time.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...-everton-the-style-questions-will-not-go-away
Everton fans were loathing Sam and calling for him to be sacked. Why are you considering his period there good when their own fans were slaughtering him on their forum every week ?

Same for Bruce and Villa fans too.

These kind of managers are good at certain level, but this level isn't high to consider then good managers in general.
 

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Perfect example being Neil Warnock. How the feck is that guy managing a PL club? I mean, granted, they won't be a PL club for long, but still...
He keeps getting them promoted.
 

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These kind of managers are good at certain level, but this level isn't high to consider then good managers in general.
Already said that, doesn't mean they are terrible though, unless you're measuring them against the top top managers which you seem to be. Saying all English managers are terrible is a daft comment.
 

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Already said that, doesn't mean they are terrible though, unless you're measuring them against the top top managers which you seem to be. Saying all English managers are terrible is a daft comment.
Which English manager will you give him a job at a top 10 club,and focus on top 10, not top 4. :)

Howe ? Southgate ? Other suggestions ? 2 out of many managers isn't good enough.
 

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He's had his high spots, but he's been sacked numerous times now.
He's a classic average manager on the merry go around, with the likes of Pardew, Fat Sam and many others.

He'll keep popping up somewhere, get sacked and go again.
Pretty much.

Having watched it for two years his football is certainly in the Big Sam/Warnock/Pulis style.

Men behind the ball, lack of pressing, wingers having to double up as FBs, hardly ever on the front foot. We eventually started playing well after xmas last season but that was really due to Grealish hitting a great patch of form. He hasn't been great this season and we've looked poor as a result. Also have a look at Steve Bruce's squad building, we have about 5 right backs on the book but only 1 left back and 2 centre halfs. And like other clubs he's been at he's loaded us with six strikers.

Eddie Howe is the only English manager at top level who plays modern progressive football.
 

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Which English manager will you give him a job at a top 10 club,and focus on top 10, not top 4. :)

Howe ? Southgate ? Other suggestions ? 2 out of many managers isn't good enough.
Isn't good enough for what? You said all English managers are terrible. All. Every single one. It's like me saying all Egyptian posters make sweeping statements.
 

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Which English manager will you give him a job at a top 10 club,and focus on top 10, not top 4. :)

Howe ? Southgate ? Other suggestions ? 2 out of many managers isn't good enough.
Bournemouth are 6th or 7th in the league, could be this season's Burnley.
 

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Isn't good enough for what? You said all English managers are terrible. All. Every single one. It's like me saying all Egyptian posters make sweeping statements.
Ok, 99% of them are terrible. Does that make it accurate now ?

Jeez, focusing on every literal word while ignoring the main contest.
 

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Ok. I'm not following much so every once in a while when this thread is up I'll ask for an update. :D
Well he hasn't put up a Michael Jackson statue outside the ground or requested to change our name to Aston Villa Lions yet so will say when he has.;)

My impressions are that Wes Edens slightly has more authority in the ownership given he's previously run an American team so think he'd have a bit more say in any major decision.
 

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Perfect example being Neil Warnock. How the feck is that guy managing a PL club? I mean, granted, they won't be a PL club for long, but still...
He's a terrible example. He's a perfect example of why they deserve to get the jobs. He's managing a PL club because he somehow got a poor Cardiff side promoted. Why would he not get job offers when he's managing to do that?
 

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Bruce didn't do a bad job there. Should possibly have left after failing to win the promotion final. Has had to work with financial restrictions during his time at VP. I have a feeling they will go for either Allardyce or Moyes.
 

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Ok, 99% of them are terrible. Does that make it accurate now ?
Jeez, focusing on every literal word while ignoring the main contest.
You mean "context" not contest and you erroneously used "extinct" to describe something that -by definition if it is still being played- can't be, so that's your adjectives and your nouns that both need work. And saying "99% of them are terrible" is no mollyfying climbdown either. Obvious blatant dickery.
 

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Bruce didn't do a bad job there. Should possibly have left after failing to win the promotion final. Has had to work with financial restrictions during his time at VP. I have a feeling they will go for either Allardyce or Moyes.
During his time we signed:

Conor Hourihane
Henri Lansbury
Scott Hogan (8m)
John Terry (60k a week for his year)
Robert Snodgrass
Yannick Bolaise (press says we're paying his 70k wages in FULL)
Tammy Abraham

Little bit different to Warnock last summer signing bargain basement free transfers like Holliet and Mendez Laing. Bruce had a great budget for this level.
 

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Bruce didn't do a bad job there. Should possibly have left after failing to win the promotion final. Has had to work with financial restrictions during his time at VP. I have a feeling they will go for either Allardyce or Moyes.
He signs a fe expensive players. Wasn’t Hogan £8m? Not sure if he signed McCormack.
 

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English managers keep getting and rotating jobs nonstop at the bottom half of the premier league each season. Only the top 10 teams stay away with foreign managers.

Regarding Bruce, he's good for bottom half table teams but you can't consider a manager who's good only at this level to be generally "good". The level he's good at is pretty low. Not to mention his extinct football, as much as all English managers anyway.

Do you watch other leagues? They also have managers on the merry go round and these lower clubs get spanked by the top clubs even more so. You seem to get great delight attacking England and English people.
 

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During his time we signed:

Conor Hourihane
Henri Lansbury
Scott Hogan (8m)
John Terry (60k a week for his year)
Robert Snodgrass
Yannick Bolaise (press says we're paying his 70k wages in FULL)
Tammy Abraham

Little bit different to Warnock last summer signing bargain basement free transfers like Holliet and Mendez Laing. Bruce had a great budget for this level.
Yeah it's another sh!t or bust season, luckily for you FFP is a joke and at worse it will be a fine the new owner can probably afford...
 

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You mean "context" not contest and you erroneously used "extinct" to describe something that -by definition if it is still being played- can't be, so that's your adjectives and your nouns that both need work. And saying "99% of them are terrible" is no mollyfying climbdown either. Obvious blatant dickery.
Thanks Mr. English language protector.
 

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Do you watch other leagues? They also have managers on the merry go round and these lower clubs get spanked by the top clubs even more so. You seem to get great delight attacking England and English people.
Imagine interpreting criticism to English managers as attacking the whole country and its people. That's a new level. :houllier:
 

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During his time we signed:

Conor Hourihane
Henri Lansbury
Scott Hogan (8m)
John Terry (60k a week for his year)
Robert Snodgrass
Yannick Bolaise (press says we're paying his 70k wages in FULL)
Tammy Abraham

Little bit different to Warnock last summer signing bargain basement free transfers like Holliet and Mendez Laing. Bruce had a great budget for this level.
He brought in 43m spending 22m.
 

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He signs a fe expensive players. Wasn’t Hogan £8m? Not sure if he signed McCormack.
RDM signed McC. Yes he did sign Hogan. Hourihane and Hogan were the only players he signed that cost more than 3m which in modern money is peanuts. He spent 22m took in 43m
 

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Yeah it's another sh!t or bust season, luckily for you FFP is a joke and at worse it will be a fine the new owner can probably afford...
Not sure on that tbh. There's talk our neighbours will be getting a big points deduction although they were a little different in that they actually signed a player when they were specifically told not to!

Anyway the easier way to get round FFP is actually to get promoted as Leicester, Bournemouth and Wolves have done but we've forgot about that part.
 

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RDM signed McC. Yes he did sign Hogan. Hourihane and Hogan were the only players he signed that cost more than 3m which in modern money is peanuts. He spent 22m took in 43m
At premier league level it's peanuts. At championship level it's a fortune. A team like Leeds hardly signed anyone this summer and they're way ahead of us already.