Athletic Bilbao - Homage to San Mames

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In Spain my team of choice are Athletic Bilbao, a truly unique club who despite a strict transfer policy (which only allows people who are from the local area to play for the club) still manage to compete at the top level in Spain and this year qualified for the Europa League




Their stadium, San Mames, is the oldest in Spain and there has been a great atmosphere there for every match I have ever been to - win, lose or draw the fans dont really care as this club is a local institution that represents more than just football.

Historically they are still the 3rd most successful club in Spain (no prizes for guessing the top 2), but silverware has been difficult to come by in recent years as the realities of the modern game make it more and more difficult for the club to compete.

They are now moving to a new stadium to try and protect the future of the club as they struggle to keep up with the big budgets at the likes of Barca and Madrid. It is a new era for the club and hopefully this move will help the club maintain their spot amongst the elite clubs of Spain ...

Here is an article worth a read:

A visit to Athletic Bilbao's San Mames stadium is to step back in time.
"The Cathedral" is a ground that has the ambience of your favourite old pub before it was upgraded and rebranded as a gastropub. Worn and frayed round the edges and in need of a lick of a paint - actually make that a few coats - the ground could not be described as an architectural masterpiece.
To be honest it is bordering on the ugly - a reminder of an Archibald Leitch ground minus the Scottish architect's Art Deco flourishes.
Like so many old-fashioned British grounds, the stands at Spain's oldest stadium - built in 1913 with money provided by the club's members - almost spill on to the pitch, with the most notable feature a Wembleyesque arch that straddles the main stand, as if to provide a halo effect for "The Cathedral".
However, those architectural deficiencies are more than compensated for by San Mames' atmosphere, which even for the visit of mid-table Levante on Saturday was still very much in evidence.
What makes this ground so special is the 40,000 supplicants that come every other week to a stadium that is always ready and willing to share its unique history and atmosphere with the initiated and uninitiated alike.
In the Guggenheim museum - one of Bilbao's other cathedrals - is American artist Paul Pfeiffer's video installation artwork The Saints, which examines the power of crowds by using footage of England's 1966 World Cup win over West Germany.
It's a disturbing work with a split screen showing footage of the final on the right of the screen, while the left side shows documentary footage of a crowd of men from the Philippines, imitating the 1966 Wembley crowd's chants and noise.
There is nothing disturbing about San Mames' atmosphere, though it is no less powerful, exuding friendliness but above all pride in a club that is the property of its fans and a symbol of the Basque region. Perhaps an attitude that explains why another unique symbol of Basque identity - the Mondragon Group - is the world's largest industrial co-operative.
That warmth was much in evidence when the young star of this Athletic side Iker Muniain was substituted after a show-stopping performance. The crowd rose as one to give him a standing ovation, the warmth of applause rippling down the stands in acknowledgment of a hugely energetic and skilful player who was developed by the club's cantera (youth development scheme) as if to say this is a player that symbolises everything which Athletic represents.
But if you want to sample one of football's most authentic experiences, be quick.
"The Cathedral" will not be in existence for much longer as Athletic are due to move to a new stadium - the 55,000 capacity San Mames Barria - which will open in 2013.
Costing around £200m the new stadium is being built a stone's throw away from San Mames on wasteland previously occupied by the Bilbao International Trade Fair.
Construction got under way in May 2010 with a ceremony that saw a piece of San Mames' turf as well as a tile of the old facade taken from the old ground and put in an urn for posterity to "preserve forever the elements of the present for a stadium of the future".
On Saturday what was striking was how many women and very young children were among San Mames' 40,000 spectators.
One heavily pregnant women - dressed in dungarees and an Athletic shirt to more comfortably accommodate her growing child - fondly stroked her belly, as if to subliminally inculcate a memory of what San Mames was like to her offspring that will never sample its delights.
After the game, at a nearby restaurant, a group of women, dressed up for a night out, included in their party a woman whose outfit was topped off by an outrageously long Athletic scarf. Being a supporter of the club is clearly a 24/7 business.
In the bowels of the stadium there are photographs of past sides and players - sepia-tinted images reminding its fans that Athletic are one of only three clubs which have never been relegated from La Liga.
My favourite photograph was one of thousands of Athletic fans in a flotilla of boats on the river that runs through Bilbao celebrating the 1984 title, the last time the club won La Liga.
In the modern age the policy of developing young Basque players and only picking players native to the Basque region - that's born in or with Basque parents - has seemingly virtually discounted the club from winning the league.
But arguably Athletic have constructed something more invaluable and intangible, to maintain a principle because of a belief that this is the right thing to do.
Saturday's 3-2 win over Levante strengthened Joaquin Caparros' side push for Europa League qualification.
Athletic went 3-0 up, inspired by Basque boy wonder Muniain, a left winger, who has something of Wayne Rooney about him. Muniain created Athletic's first and third goals with clever passes and whenever he picked up the ball the crowd's expectation and excitement visibly increased.
No wonder a few days before, Harry Redknapp, David Moyes, Mark Hughes and Manchester United scout Martin Ferguson had all been in attendance to watch Athletic play Espanyol in Barcelona.
Muniain was ably supported by Gaizka Toquero, David Lopez and Javier Martinez in an attack-minded Athletic side led by centre forward Fernando Llorente, who has scored 17 league goals this season.
Frequently linked with Real Madrid, Llorente did not have the most impressive of games - at times he gave a passable impression of being the Zlatan Ibrahimovic of the Basque country.
Tall, powerful and skilful, Llorente scored Athletic's third goal, but he missed a couple of relatively easy headers and turned in a pretty sedentary performance. Perhaps he deemed that was all that was necessary against a sedentary Levante side, which nonetheless gave Athletic a fright with two late goals.
At that groundbreaking ceremony in May 2010 Athletic president Fernando Garcia Macua argued that the new stadium would allow the club to take "a huge qualitative and quantitative structural step, essential to its survival".
Who knows perhaps the new stadium's arrival and the advent of Uefa's Financial Fair Play regulations could mark a new dawn for Athletic.
 

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Very interesting club Athletic, also set up by a bunch of Brits, hence the name being Athletic rather than Atletico.
Im glad you share my appreciation of Athletic!

Athletic Bilbao - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Football was introduced to Bilbao by two distinct groups of players, both with British connections; British steel and shipyard workers and Basque students returning from schools in Britain.

In the late 19th century Bilbao was a leading port of an important industrial area with iron mines and shipyards nearby. It was the driving force of the Spanish economy and as a result attracted many migrant workers. Among them were miners from the north-east of England, and shipyard workers from Sunderland, Southampton and Portsmouth. The British workers brought with them (as to so many other parts of the world) the game of football. In the early 1890s these workers came together and formed Bilbao Football Club.

Meanwhile, sons of the Basque educated classes had made the opposite journey and went to Britain to complete their studies in civil engineering and commerce. While in the United Kingdom these students developed an interest in football and on their return to Bilbao they began to arrange games with British workers. In 1898 students belonging to the Gymnasium Zamacois founded the Athletic Club, using the English spelling. In 1901 a meeting was held in the Cafe Garcia which established more formal rules and regulations.

In 1902 the two Bilbao clubs formed a combined team, known as Bizcaya, in the first Copa del Rey. They returned with the trophy after defeating FC Barcelona in the final. This would lead to the eventual merger of the two clubs as Athletic Club in 1903. In the same year Basque students also formed Athletic Club Madrid. This club later evolved into Atlético Madrid. The club's foundation date is a subject of debate among football historians. The club itself declares 1898, but others claim 1901 or 1903 as the true founding year.

 

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Good ruud Read. Very well written article, an extremely interesting and alluring club Athletic.

Iker Muniain is certainly an interesting player too, one to keep an eye on next season.
 

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Athletic club Madrid were also Atletic Aviacion before becoming Athletico weren't they?

I'm sure they were the Air Force team for a while...
No idea - dont give a toss about Madrid, Im just all about Bilbao!
 

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Great stadium! Really like it. There's a few stadiums outside of England with a quite British style to it, and I usually like those. Stadio Luigi Ferraris (Sampdoria, Genoa) is another one of those.

(I don't really watch Spanish football, so I don't think I have anything more to add, really)
 

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Athletic Bilbao is a great club. Never flunked out of the top flight. No where is more club loyalty seen than there. One of the hardest challenges in Football Manager.

I feel inclined to correct one flaw there.
which only allows people who are from the local area to play for the club
This implies that people only come from the area but can be from whatever social background they like. That is wrong. They have to be Basque. There are some Basques in Spain who would be allowed to play, Monaco's goalkeeper for example.

This was their initial policy however and it isn't so long ago that they released the noose a bit there.
 

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Spectacular thread, but I believe Gijon have the oldest stadium in Spain. El Molinon was completed in 1908.
To be honest, I took the stat about San Mames being the oldest straight from that BBC article (click the link and see the caption below first pic) - it was not something I had been told in the past.
But a quick look at the wiki for El Molinon suggests that it might have been the first football pitch rather than stadium? Although Im no expert on the subject



Athletic Bilbao is a great club. Never flunked out of the top flight. No where is more club loyalty seen than there. One of the hardest challenges in Football Manager.

I feel inclined to correct one flaw there.

This implies that people only come from the area but can be from whatever social background they like. That is wrong. They have to be Basque. There are some Basques in Spain who would be allowed to play, Monaco's goalkeeper for example.

This was their initial policy however and it isn't so long ago that they released the noose a bit there.
There is no flaw - what I wrote is 100% correct, they can be from whatever social background they like, they do not need to be of Basque heritage any longer!

And I assume you meant 'There are some Basques in France ...' (rather than Spain). This is correct as what they count as the Basque Country includes parts of France as well as Spain - Bixente Lizarazu (of Bayern Munich fame) is a recent example of a Frenchman who played for Athletic.

But yes they did slightly widen the net a few years ago to make the policy more regionalist and stop any accusations of racial descrimination, explained in this article:

Brief history of Athletic Club: The Basque-only policy - The Offside - Athletic Club Bilbao blog

The club has relaxed the definition of ‘Basque’ a little over recent years. Players who are not Basque but have ‘learned their skills’ in the Basque Country are allowed to play for the club. This means any non-Basque children living in the area can play for the club. This has led to a few players coming from nearby La Rioja and there are also a couple of Africans in the youth teams as a result of this.

However South Americans with Basque ancestry - such as Diego Forlán who has a Basque grandparent and wanted to join the club when he left Man United – are still not deemed Basque (enough). The club don’t loosen their definition for the sake of it, it would be missing the whole point, but it is interesting to see what is defined as Basque and what isn’t.

 

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British peeps created some of the most ancient clubs in Europe

there's also the Genoa "cricket and football club" (:lol:) which is the oldest football club in Italy
 

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Athletic Bilbao - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Football was introduced to Bilbao by two distinct groups of players, both with British connections; British steel and shipyard workers and Basque students returning from schools in Britain.

In the late 19th century Bilbao was a leading port of an important industrial area with iron mines and shipyards nearby. It was the driving force of the Spanish economy and as a result attracted many migrant workers. Among them were miners from the north-east of England, and shipyard workers from Sunderland, Southampton and Portsmouth. The British workers brought with them (as to so many other parts of the world) the game of football. In the early 1890s these workers came together and formed Bilbao Football Club.

Meanwhile, sons of the Basque educated classes had made the opposite journey and went to Britain to complete their studies in civil engineering and commerce. While in the United Kingdom these students developed an interest in football and on their return to Bilbao they began to arrange games with British workers. In 1898 students belonging to the Gymnasium Zamacois founded the Athletic Club, using the English spelling. In 1901 a meeting was held in the Cafe Garcia which established more formal rules and regulations.

In 1902 the two Bilbao clubs formed a combined team, known as Bizcaya, in the first Copa del Rey. They returned with the trophy after defeating FC Barcelona in the final. This would lead to the eventual merger of the two clubs as Athletic Club in 1903. In the same year Basque students also formed Athletic Club Madrid. This club later evolved into Atlético Madrid. The club's foundation date is a subject of debate among football historians. The club itself declares 1898, but others claim 1901 or 1903 as the true founding year.

So much awesome moustache action going on there.
 

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Urgh. Political and nationalist sports clubs. The worst kind.
Athletic Bilbao are a great story, cant understand why you would have a problem with it :confused:

In the modern world of increasing commercialisation in football, they stand almost alone in representing bygone days.
 

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Interestingly, although they only allow Basques and locals to play for the club, anyone can be manager. In fact Howard Kendall had a stint there back in the late 80s and apparently they are considering Roberto Martinez or Mark Hughes should their current manager leave (probably bollocks to be honest)!

:: Football :: Roberto Martinez is top of the Bil
 

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Athletic Bilbao bids farewell to the historical San Mams Stadium - Sid Lowe - SI.com

San Mamés bode farewell to the Copa as only San Mamés could. This is their competition and this was their way. Athletic Bilbao qualified for their 37th final with a 6-2 win over Mirandés that one newspaper aptly described as "a homage to the Cup."

In May they will seek to win the competition for the 24th* time, the first since 1984, and this may be the last Cup game that this old historic ground sees. It is almost certainly the last really big Cup night: never again will San Mamés be the gateway to the final. Preparatory work on the new stadium has already begun, immediately alongside the current site; the dismantling of the existing stadium starts at the end of the season.

The send-off was fitting -- fitting for Athletic and even for Mirandés, themiraculous opponents. Mirandés were handed a standing ovation at the end of the game; the two goals they scored -- the only two Athletic have conceded at home in the competition -- were applauded too. There had also been an ovation for the visitors' captain Pablo Infante -- the Pichichi of the Cup -- when he laid a bouquet of red flowers in front of the bust of Pichichi before the game. Pichichi was the legendary Athletic striker who played between 1911 and 1921 and the man who lends his name to the top scorer award.

The symbolism was intense, as it always is at San Mamés. From the approach to the ground along Calle Pozas, narrow and straight, bars all along the way, red and white flags from every balcony -- a tunnel toward the ground with Athletic's badge painted big and bold in on the side, pulling you in; to the hundreds of photographs in black and white, sepia and colour and the stuffed lion that prowls the directors' box, brought back from Tanzania (Athletic are nicknamed the lions). From the men on the gate in their traditional Basque berets to the careful attention to detail in the club's museum, nowhere exudes history -- or pride, or identity -- like Athletic's stadium.

They call San Mamés 'The Cathedral,' in almost reverential respect. Its stands are uneven, crumbling in places, and old-fashioned. They are steep, but close to the pitch. It is a proper soccer ground, like something from a different era; it is also part of the action. It is often said that soccer is like a religion: in many ways it is, and that is not always a good thing. Other times, the phrase is an empty cliché. At Athletic, it feels more just somehow. "Sometimes," noted Robert Basic in the Basque newspaper El Correo, "you can touch the sentiment."

The liturgy of San Mamés is unmatched by any arena in the world. There is a hint of it at Anfield, with the sign in the tunnel, the Kop and its hymn, You'll Never Walk Alone. But even that is not quite the same. This is a community of the faithful, and the communion between players and fans is palpable. Yes, it is easy to get emotional and misty eyed, to exaggerate or see meaning where there is none; but it is hard to visit San Mamés and not feel it. On nights like the Copa del Rey semifinal, it is impossible.

"I had been told about it," said Marcelo Bielsa, the coach, "but it is one thing to be told, another to experience it. It was wonderful. I had never seen a stadium so involved, so influential, so joyous. It is a lovely sensation when football produces such emotion."

All of it is underpinned by that identity: Athletic Bilbao only plays with Basque players (even if, as discussed here before, that definition is often elastic). That policy may well have stymied their chances of winning competitions in recent years -- 28 years is a long time to wait to win the Cup competition, and Athletic still may not even do that -- but the connection that players feel to their club is, for the most part, greater than elsewhere. Sure, players leave. But, uniquely, they return too.

Take the two centre-backs who made it to Real Madrid -- Rafael Alkorta and Aitor Karanka. They left, they won things, and they came back. Athletic was still their club. And perhaps an alternative argument can be made: rather than Athletic's policy forcing them to underachieve, could it be that it has helped them to overachieve? Those that stay, those that play, have something else, something extra. Intangible though it may be, it is there. Plenty of clubs can offer what Athletic cannot. None can offer what Athletic can.

Recently, Fernando Llorente has stated again and again that he is at a big club. The rumours will not go away. Mostly, people have dismissed his protests: no, they insist, but when will you go to a big club? Llorente has certainly contemplated going elsewhere: his representatives have met with English clubs. But maybe he has a point. Athletic is a big club. From an emotive perspective, there may be none bigger. As Llorente himself said, "Seeing this madness makes you feel like staying here for life."

If on top of that Athletic can offer success, the mix is powerful indeed. Yes, the league is impossible, but Athletic have now reached the final of the Copa del Rey, they are still in the Europa League, a Champions League place is a genuine possibility. Bielsa has them playing some of the most exciting football in Spain and, although the style is theoretically different to Athletic's traditional identity, there is something very Athletic about the intensity of their game. It feels right. It feels theirs.

Llorente insisted: "you don't live an atmosphere like this in many places." He could easily have said 'any'. He may leave Athletic but Athletic will never leave him. Wherever he goes, wherever any of them go -- and how long will it be before rumours start about Iker Muniaín? It will not be the same. It will not match San Mamés on nights like last night. It never does. Nothing ever does.

*In 1904, Vizcaya, the predecessor of Athletic, won the competition. Some consider the total to be 24, therefore, not 23.
 

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Thought it worth bumping this thread to educate everyone about tomorrow's opponents ...


Athletic Bilbao returns to big-time with Manchester United tie | Iberosphere |

Considering the global appetite for European and particularly English football, it is often difficult and potentially even dangerous to try and determine whether the behaviour of the fanatical supporter seated next to you at your local watering hole is driven by a genuine affection for the game or a lifestyle choice born out of social compulsion. However, occasionally there are games that by their very nature facilitate the making of that distinction. Games which are rendered significant not by the hyperbolic pre-match bluster of television or the immediate consequence of the result but by historical context, and a certain nostalgia-tinged sense of occasion.

For Athletic Bilbao, the tie against Manchester United, besides representing their biggest European outing in years, is also steeped in historical significance. From the very spelling of their name, which was intentionally anglicized by the founders, the club’s ties with England are deep and binding.

Upon the construction of the iconic San Mamés stadium in 1913, the pitch was planted with English grass. A succession of English managers early in Athletic’s history inculcated a reverence for ‘la manera inglesa’ (the English way) to which the club has continued to adhere, despite the phrase being applied to vastly disparate qualities at different times. Among the most legendary figures in the club’s history is Fred Pentland, an Englishman nicknamed ‘El Bombín’ for the bowler hat without which he was seldom seen. Pentland was a much beloved character in Bilbao and enjoyed great success during two spells as Athletic’s manager between the wars. His side pioneered a brand of short-passing and possession-based football whose faint echoes reverberate around stadia in Spain to this day. In subsequent years Athletic’s ‘Englishness’ has been associated more with their doggedness and generally robust approach to the game.

The significance of this tie for the bilbaínos, however, extends beyond their collective anglophilia. Despite being one of Spain’s oldest and most successful clubs, they have not dined at Europe’s highest table for a significant while. In recent times they have been consistently outperformed in Europe by the likes of Sevilla and Villarreal, clubs without the historical gravitas of Athletic. The tie against the English champions is a return to the heady days of yore when Bilbao was a city of significance on Europe’s footballing map.

The celebratory atmosphere will be helped by the optimism that currently envelops San Mamés. The appointment of Argentine coach Marcelo ‘El Loco’ Bielsa at the start of the season was quite a coup for Athletic, considering the purported interest in him from clubs such as Inter Milan and Chelsea. His attempts at imposing his preferred, idealistic style of play on a team that was used to a more pragmatic approach suffered numerous early setbacks. However Bielsa, to his enormous credit, appears to have found a middle path that is working well and Athletic are currently strong contenders to qualify for next year’s Champions League as well as having reached the final of the King’s Cup.

The club is also fortunate to have unearthed a number of highly talented players in quick succession. Athletic contributed a total of eight players to the two Spain squads recently announced (the main squad and the U-23 squad for the Olympics), more than any other club, including Barcelona. Three of those in particular stand out, the striker Fernando Llorente, now arguably Spain’s premier goalscorer, the creative youngster Iker Muniaín, who looks to have a sparkling future and the central midfielder Javi Martínez, reportedly coveted by José Mourinho at Real Madrid. Martínez has often been used by Bielsa in the centre of defence this season in an attempt to encourage his team to build attacks from the back.


Bielsa’s high-pressing approach:

Much will depend on Manchester United’s approach to the game. They were lucky to qualify on the away goals rule after losing at home to Ajax, having fielded a weakened team. Alex Ferguson hastened to quell any suggestion that United were not taking the competition seriously by stating that he would field a full-strength team against Athletic. Though United’s overall play in recent games has been largely unremarkable, they still possess attacking players of such quality that they are unlikely to need many chances to score goals. Athletic’s pressing high up the pitch will mean that the likes of Paul Scholes will receive less time on the ball and as with any Bielsa team, they will try and take the game to United. The result will however hinge on the ability of Athletic’s defense to cope with the likes of Danny Welbeck, Ashley Young, Nani and Wayne Rooney.

United, after their disastrous Champions League campaign have presumably learnt not to underestimate their European opponents and should be aware of the threat posed by the potent Athletic forward line. Being able to play the second leg at San Mamés should be an advantage for Athletic, the visit to ‘la Cátedral’ is dreaded by most liga opponents – and with good reason.

Athletic’s fans will be hoping that the arrival of United at the San Mamés heralds their return to the big time. It will certainly be a unique opportunity for Spanish football to draw attention to one of its great institutions and indeed one of the world’s great football venues. Ultimately, the tie should provide an excellent contest between two historically significant clubs with vastly different backgrounds and mentalities. And that surely is so much of the essence of European competition.
 

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I have also followed them this season outside of the top 2.

Also their policy and the success considering it is admirable.
 

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Great club...Tricky business, ushering in a new stadium when so much significance is attached to the current one with all the history...Highbury to Emirates has yet to recapture the same aura...Still, wildly supportive fanbase makes a trip there always a nervy affair
 

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Fantastic read. Ajax Amsterdam and then Athletic Bilbao, you can't ask for more than that from European Football. I hope we do the event justice.
 

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Not a fan, I think the whole basque only thing is an outdated idea. They've done remarkably well considering but still.
 

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The players who are denied the opportunity to ply their trade because of where they were born perhaps?
They will just play for someone else - everyone from that area wants to play for Bilbao (or maybe Sociedad). I don't see how anyone is denied the opportunity to play
 

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They will just play for someone else - everyone from that area wants to play for Bilbao (or maybe Sociedad). I don't see how anyone is denied the opportunity to play
Well Basques can play for whoever they want. Non-Basques can't play for Bilbao. In the scheme of things it's not a huge deal but this sort of discrimination just sits a little uneasily with me.
 

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Fantastic OP Rood!

Altough I don't like some of the separatist Basques, I can't manage to dislike Athletic Bilbao at all, always had a soft spot for them.

You guys better be on top form when facing them later. Altough I don't think it will be much of a problem if you keep this form.
 

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Well Basques can play for whoever they want. Non-Basques can't play for Bilbao. In the scheme of things it's not a huge deal but this sort of discrimination just sits a little uneasily with me.
Well I still don't understand who you thought was being 'denied the opportunity to ply their trade'? No one as far as I can see - so I'm still confused about what about it makes you feel uneasy.

The problem is actually more for Athletic themselves, as they have to stay competitive against teams who can recruit from all over the world.


Fantastic OP Rood!

Altough I don't like some of the separatist Basques, I can't manage to dislike Athletic Bilbao at all, always had a soft spot for them.

You guys better be on top form when facing them later. Altough I don't think it will be much of a problem if you keep this form.
I'm actually a bit worried about this tie as we have been complacent in Europe this year plus Fergie has rotated the team a bit too much. Bilbao are in good form and are bringing shitloads of fans to Old Trafford (I've just seen hundreds on them on the train from London to Manchester!) so are going to be well up for it.
 

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I kind of get what Duffer is saying. Its the same as an employee not hiring you because of your nationality/gender/religion etc. I always assumed that's not permitted and leaves them open to a potential lawsuit.