Athletic: Man Utd are all in on Ten Hag -- they almost doubled transfer budget after awful start

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

So what teams just go out and look for players with no set limits? literally anyone making any substantial purchase will have a budget, it doesn't have to be a set in stone you can't go past that number but it would be stupid and absolutely bonkers for any organization to spend millions of dollars without a set limit to that spending.

But it’s clearly nonsense.

United may have spent 180m this year, or just 70m, we don’t actually know, as that’s how transfer payments work. The idea we ever say “120m budget” makes zero sense, unless we decided we’re gonna be the only club in the World to pay for transfers in full at the time of the deal.

There is obviously a limit to how much a club can or are willing to spend on initial payments, and that will be why transfers take more time than most muppets can handle. Selling clubs always want as much as possible immediately, buying clubs want to pay as little as possible so as to allow more room to buy more.

“Doubling a budget” cause we spend 260m instead of 130m makes zero sense, in both scenarios we could have forked out the same initial amount this year.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

So what teams just go out and look for players with no set limits? literally anyone making any substantial purchase will have a budget, it doesn't have to be a set in stone you can't go past that number but it would be stupid and absolutely bonkers for any organization to spend millions of dollars without a set limit to that spending.

Is that what the article above refers to? You are saying the article above is saying united had an absolute maximum and then doubled it after losing a game ? I don't think that is very credible haha

 

[Crashoutcassius]

but we're bound to give the DOF/manager a budget of sorts.. they need to know roughly what they 're working with

The money people will know how much cash flow we can support each year. But there is zero chance, literally zero chance, ten hag got told he has a '60m budget' or similar, it is absolute bollocks for tabloid readers

 

[Tarrou]

The money people will know how much cash flow we can support each year. But there is zero chance, literally zero chance, ten hag got told he has a '60m budget' or similar, it is absolute bollocks for tabloid readers

so what did they tell him?

 

[SmallCaine]

Is that what the article above refers to? You are saying the article above is saying united had an absolute maximum and then doubled it after losing a game ? I don't think that is very credible haha

For most clubs or organizations it would be unbelievable, for utd not so much. This is glazers we are talking about. How unbelievable is it that the vitriol that started with 2 losses which included not only fans going ballistic but media personalities telling them to sell and an actual billionaire fans could rally behind coming out and stating he would like to buy us rally them into action to calm things down.

They literally set a player presentation pre liverpool game with hope of taking the sting out of protests. We are a horribly run and very reactive.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

For most clubs or organizations it would be unbelievable, for utd not so much. This is glazers we are talking about. How unbelievable is it that the vitriol that started with 2 losses which included not only fans going ballistic but media personalities telling them to sell and an actual billionaire fans could rally behind coming out and stating he would like to buy us rally them into action to calm things down.

They literally set a player presentation pre liverpool game with hope of taking the sting out of protests. We are a horribly run and very reactive.

It would be believable except for years journalists have been trying to push the existence of a 'budget' expressed in millions as it is a useful journalistic device, while managers and people from the club constantly say a set budget doesn't exists and the club's make long term personnel plans and move money around year to year to match the plans

 

[Crashoutcassius]

so what did they tell him?

I'd say they worked with him to create a working recruitment plan which changes all the time, prioritising positions and players within them. Then work on what can be done in the short term. See what the options are. Bring proposal to decision making committee whoever that may be. Exec committee approve transfers in principle based on a range of possible fees at the outset. The finance guys try to model the impact on club cash flows, although this is challenging as transfers are nearly always paid in installments with complex structures.

Very different from saying to ten hag ' you had 60m'.

There is a reason journalists are wrong every summer about budgets. Because their understanding of it is flawed and simplistic, which it has to be because it has to appeal to the tabloid readers

 

[SmallCaine]

It would be believable except for years journalists have been trying to push the existence of a 'budget' expressed in millions as it is a useful journalistic device, while managers and people from the club constantly say a set budget doesn't exists and the club's make long term personnel plans and move money around year to year to match the plans

Any actual examples of this no set budgets quotes? Because I find it hard to believe any club going into the market not having a ball park figure it doesn't want to cross.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Any actual examples of this no set budgets quotes? Because I find it hard to believe any club going into the market not having a ball park figure it doesn't want to cross.

But do they spend the money all at once ? Or over time ? It's over time... So why is the fee relevant ? The structure is relevant... How do you put that into a simple figure for a budget ?