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Who would you have dropped for Matthaus out of interest? Don’t think he would have worked with Falcao - particularly given I remember a few on here not buying him in a partnership with Rijkaard (which was completely absurd).

Would you have moved to a diamond?
Do people not like him in a midfield 2?
 

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Do people not like him in a midfield 2?
There was a period where people preferred him as a #10 as opposed to a CM as that aligned closer to his Serie A peak position - others disagree so not sure where’s its at currently on the balance.
 

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Who would you have dropped for Matthaus out of interest? Don’t think he would have worked with Falcao - particularly given I remember a few on here not buying him in a partnership with Rijkaard (which was completely absurd).

Would you have moved to a diamond?
Why wouldn't it work :nervous: Matthäus is seen more as a midfielder around here these days. Seen him in plenty of midfield twos. Agree abiut Falcao - Rijkaard that's a mad opinion it wouldn't work
 

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Why wouldn't it work :nervous: Matthäus is seen more as a midfielder around here these days. Seen him in plenty of midfield twos. Agree abiut Falcao - Rijkaard that's a mad opinion it wouldn't work
It was Matthaus / Rijkaard which was criticised.

But yeah as much as think Matthaus is a CM and don’t agree with the idea he should be viewed as a #10, even I’d say Falcao / Matthaus is a pretty poor pairing. There’s no holding player there. Either of them would work better with Zito imo - or as I said could go to a diamond.
 

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My issue with Matthaus is that no matter what setup and no matter which partners he has, he is seen as a 1990 Matthaus, version that had the whole team built around himself.
 

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My issue with Matthaus is that no matter what setup and no matter which partners he has, he is seen as a 1990 Matthaus, version that had the whole team built around himself.
I am absolutely shocked you didn't go for him.
 

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A never-nude? I thought he just liked cut-offs.
Which match was this? Sounds bonkers now.

Hopefully I was part of that criticism :nervous:
http://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-road-trip-draft-r1-jim-beam-vs-gio.442708/

Unfortunate match up for Gio/Theon as Jim was strong where they were weakest (their right wing). There wasn't that much outright criticism of Rijkaard/Matthaus as a pairing but it certainly didn't seem to get the love you'd expect. I voted for them but looking at it now there's something about Zidane that seems slightly out of place that I can't even put my finger on.
 

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http://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-road-trip-draft-r1-jim-beam-vs-gio.442708/

Unfortunate match up for Gio/Theon as Jim was strong where they were weakest (their right wing). There wasn't that much outright criticism of Rijkaard/Matthaus as a pairing but it certainly didn't seem to get the love you'd expect. I voted for them but looking at it now there's something about Zidane that seems slightly out of place that I can't even put my finger on.
I kept banging about Gamarra there against Cruyff and Hristo. Also, that they wouldn't have midfield advantage as it first seem because of Cruyff droping deep and Vasovic stepping in the midfield.
But, there wasn't any criticism of Lothar/Rijkaard that I can remember. Also, when they paired them I remember most people reacting how we even allowed it to happen.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that pairing imo, quite the opposite. I wouldn't won that match if it wasn't for right back position and what was really suprising (and probably deserve more talk) if people saw Zidane as any kind of influence in the game which happens to him all the time lately.

Rijkaard/Lothar is more than fine. In fact, it is one of midfield pairing I would like to avoid in any match despite that outcome.
 

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Quarter Finalists:

1. 2mufc0 - 1) Pele 2) P. R. Falcao 3) F. Puskas 4) N. Santos 5) R. Ferdinand 6) Jairzinho 7) M. Kaltz 8) F. Gento 9) Zito 10) S. Maier 11) N. Vidic 12) R. Rensenbrink 13) L. Modric 14) A. Nesta 15) Cafu

5. Cubemine - 1) Cristiano Ronaldo 2) L. Thuram 3) P. Vieira 4) E. Petit 5) Bergkamp 6) A. Cole 7) S. Campbell 8) L. Blanc 9) I. Casillas 10) J. Johnstone 11) R. Pires 12) X. Alonso 13) M. Essien 14) L. Matthäus 15) P. Nedved

7. MJJ - 1) F. Beckenbauer 2) Zico 3) Zanetti 4) P. Breitner 5) B. Schweinsteiger 6) Seeler 7) Z. Czibor 8) S. Matthews 9) D. Irwin 10) KH. Schwarzenbeck 11) Effenberg 12) S. Kocsis 13) P. Jennings 14) Garrincha 15) Ronaldinho

8. Sjor Mustard - 1) A. Di Stefano 2) B. Moore 3) R. Gullit 4) J. Kohler 5) D. Alves 6) P. Elkjaer 7) W. van Hanegem 8) B. Zebec 9) N. Kante 10. B. Schuster 11) J. L. Chilavert 12) P. Gascoigne 13) Edmundo 14) G. Best

10. Willhse - 1) F. Rijkaard 2) D. Passarella 3) C. Alberto 4) R. Carlos 5) V. Voronin 6) L. Riva 7) D. Beckham 8) Socrates 9) W. Overath 10) W. Rooney 11) P. Shilton 12) S. Busquets 13) L. Suarez 14) L. Ronaldo

11. Jim Beam 1) M. Platini 2) G. Scirea 3) K. H. Rummenigge 4) A. Iniesta 5) O. Blokhin 6) J. Tigana 7. P. McGrath 8. E. Gerets 9) A. Demyanenko 10) C. Ferrara 11) L. Fernández 12) B. Conti 13) R. Dasaev 14) M. Desailly

13. Enigma/Theon 1) F. Baresi 2) Romário 3) F. Redondo 4) E. Davids 5) L. Figo 6) B. Vogts 7) Rivaldo 8) H. Briegel 9) G. Buffon 10) O. Ruggeri 11) Didi 12) R. Kopa 13) A. Shevchenko 14) L. Messi

15. EAP/GSTQ - 1) P. Maldini 2) E. Figueroa 3) D. Edwards 4) G. Bergomi 5) D. Law 6) R. Baggio 7) Z. Boniek 8) U. Stielike 9) T. Finney 10) E. Van Der Sar 11) R. Bonhof 12) K. Hamrin 13) J. Nasazzi 14) D.Maradona


Pool:

2. P-nut - 1) L. Ronaldo 2) B. Charlton 3) J. Neeskens 4) J. Stam 5) H. Chumpitaz 6) B. Lizarazu 7) Maicon 8) A. Pirlo 9) C. Seedorf 10) G. Meazza 11) D. De Gea 12) Neymar 13) G. Bale

3. Moby - 1) L. Messi 2) Eusebio 3) H. Stoichkov 4) L. Suarez Miramontes 5) P. Lahm 6) L. Junior 7) J. Masopust 8) V. Vasovic 9) M. Neuer 10) R. Rivelino 11) B. Hulshoff 12) N. Goncalves 13) P. Guardiola

4. Isotope - 1) D. Maradona 2) Cafu 3) P. Nedved 4) F. Cannavaro 5) G. Batistuta 6) P. Vierchowod 7) F. Hierro 8) J. Bozsik 9) G. Souness 10) G. Banks 11) G. Zambrotta 12) K.H. Schnellinger 13) P. Littbarski

6. Skizzo - 1) G. Best 2) Ronaldinho 3) M. Laudrup 4)T. Henry 5) B. Robson 6) A. Cabrini 7) C. Gentile 8) C. Makelele 9) P. Schmeichel 10) R. Koeman 11) A. Shesternyov 12) J.J. Okocha 13) J. R. Riquelme

9. Stobzilla - 1) J. Cruyff 2) G. Facchetti 3) Xavi Hernandez 4) P. Scholes 5) M. Sammer 6) A. Robben 7) A. Haan 8) R. Giggs 9) C. Puyol 10) José Leandro Andrade 11) J. Campos 12) J. Charles 13) R. van Persie

12. Indnyc 1) Garrincha 2) M. Van Basten 3) D.Dzajic 4) A. Brehme 5) D. Santos 6) K.H. Forster 7) M. Tresor 8) L. Yashin 9) M. Silva 10) G. Rivera 11) M. Coluna 12) G. Netzer 13) B. Bremner

14. Michaelf 1) L. Matthaus 2) M. Desailly 3) M. Tardelli 4) R. Krol 5) T. Burgnich 6) Marcelo 7) R. Bochini 8) J Leandro 9) S. Eto'o 10) O. Kahn 11) J. Bican 12) S. Ramos 13) J. Heynckes

16. Himannv - 1) A. Nesta 2) G. Muller 3) R. Keane 4) Z. Zidane 5) M. Amoros 6) O. Varela 7) Kaka 8) M. Bossis 9) V. van Dijk 10) D. Zoff 11) D. Godin 12) L. Kubala 13) A. Del Piero
 

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Quarter Finalists:

1. 2mufc0 - 1) Pele 2) P. R. Falcao 3) F. Puskas 4) N. Santos 5) R. Ferdinand 6) Jairzinho 7) M. Kaltz 8) F. Gento 9) Zito 10) S. Maier 11) N. Vidic 12) R. Rensenbrink 13) L. Modric 14) A. Nesta 15) Cafu

5. Cubemine - 1) Cristiano Ronaldo 2) L. Thuram 3) P. Vieira 4) E. Petit 5) Bergkamp 6) A. Cole 7) S. Campbell 8) L. Blanc 9) I. Casillas 10) J. Johnstone 11) R. Pires 12) X. Alonso 13) M. Essien 14) L. Matthäus 15) P. Nedved

7. MJJ - 1) F. Beckenbauer 2) Zico 3) Zanetti 4) P. Breitner 5) B. Schweinsteiger 6) Seeler 7) Z. Czibor 8) S. Matthews 9) D. Irwin 10) KH. Schwarzenbeck 11) Effenberg 12) S. Kocsis 13) P. Jennings 14) Garrincha 15) Ronaldinho

8. Sjor Mustard - 1) A. Di Stefano 2) B. Moore 3) R. Gullit 4) J. Kohler 5) D. Alves 6) P. Elkjaer 7) W. van Hanegem 8) B. Zebec 9) N. Kante 10. B. Schuster 11) J. L. Chilavert 12) P. Gascoigne 13) Edmundo 14) G. Best 15) M. van Basten

10. Willhse - 1) F. Rijkaard 2) D. Passarella 3) C. Alberto 4) R. Carlos 5) V. Voronin 6) L. Riva 7) D. Beckham 8) Socrates 9) W. Overath 10) W. Rooney 11) P. Shilton 12) S. Busquets 13) L. Suarez 14) L. Ronaldo 15) R. Krol

11. Jim Beam 1) M. Platini 2) G. Scirea 3) K. H. Rummenigge 4) A. Iniesta 5) O. Blokhin 6) J. Tigana 7. P. McGrath 8. E. Gerets 9) A. Demyanenko 10) C. Ferrara 11) L. Fernández 12) B. Conti 13) R. Dasaev 14) M. Desailly 15) G. Facchetti

13. Enigma/Theon 1) F. Baresi 2) Romário 3) F. Redondo 4) E. Davids 5) L. Figo 6) B. Vogts 7) Rivaldo 8) H. Briegel 9) G. Buffon 10) O. Ruggeri 11) Didi 12) R. Kopa 13) A. Shevchenko 14) L. Messi

15. EAP/GSTQ - 1) P. Maldini 2) E. Figueroa 3) D. Edwards 4) G. Bergomi 5) D. Law 6) R. Baggio 7) Z. Boniek 8) U. Stielike 9) T. Finney 10) E. Van Der Sar 11) R. Bonhof 12) K. Hamrin 13) J. Nasazzi 14) D.Maradona


Pool:

2. P-nut - 1) L. Ronaldo 2) B. Charlton 3) J. Neeskens 4) J. Stam 5) H. Chumpitaz 6) B. Lizarazu 7) Maicon 8) A. Pirlo 9) C. Seedorf 10) G. Meazza 11) D. De Gea 12) Neymar 13) G. Bale

3. Moby - 1) L. Messi 2) Eusebio 3) H. Stoichkov 4) L. Suarez Miramontes 5) P. Lahm 6) L. Junior 7) J. Masopust 8) V. Vasovic 9) M. Neuer 10) R. Rivelino 11) B. Hulshoff 12) N. Goncalves 13) P. Guardiola

4. Isotope - 1) D. Maradona 2) Cafu 3) P. Nedved 4) F. Cannavaro 5) G. Batistuta 6) P. Vierchowod 7) F. Hierro 8) J. Bozsik 9) G. Souness 10) G. Banks 11) G. Zambrotta 12) K.H. Schnellinger 13) P. Littbarski

6. Skizzo - 1) G. Best 2) Ronaldinho 3) M. Laudrup 4)T. Henry 5) B. Robson 6) A. Cabrini 7) C. Gentile 8) C. Makelele 9) P. Schmeichel 10) R. Koeman 11) A. Shesternyov 12) J.J. Okocha 13) J. R. Riquelme

9. Stobzilla - 1) J. Cruyff 2) G. Facchetti 3) Xavi Hernandez 4) P. Scholes 5) M. Sammer 6) A. Robben 7) A. Haan 8) R. Giggs 9) C. Puyol 10) José Leandro Andrade 11) J. Campos 12) J. Charles 13) R. van Persie

12. Indnyc 1) Garrincha 2) M. Van Basten 3) D.Dzajic 4) A. Brehme 5) D. Santos 6) K.H. Forster 7) M. Tresor 8) L. Yashin 9) M. Silva 10) G. Rivera 11) M. Coluna 12) G. Netzer 13) B. Bremner

14. Michaelf 1) L. Matthaus 2) M. Desailly 3) M. Tardelli 4) R. Krol 5) T. Burgnich 6) Marcelo 7) R. Bochini 8) J Leandro 9) S. Eto'o 10) O. Kahn 11) J. Bican 12) S. Ramos 13) J. Heynckes

16. Himannv - 1) A. Nesta 2) G. Muller 3) R. Keane 4) Z. Zidane 5) M. Amoros 6) O. Varela 7) Kaka 8) M. Bossis 9) V. van Dijk 10) D. Zoff 11) D. Godin 12) L. Kubala 13) A. Del Piero
 

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Quarter Finalists:

1. 2mufc0 - 1) Pele 2) P. R. Falcao 3) F. Puskas 4) N. Santos 5) R. Ferdinand 6) Jairzinho 7) M. Kaltz 8) F. Gento 9) Zito 10) S. Maier 11) N. Vidic 12) R. Rensenbrink 13) L. Modric 14) A. Nesta 15) Cafu

5. Cubemine - 1) Cristiano Ronaldo 2) L. Thuram 3) P. Vieira 4) E. Petit 5) Bergkamp 6) A. Cole 7) S. Campbell 8) L. Blanc 9) I. Casillas 10) J. Johnstone 11) R. Pires 12) X. Alonso 13) M. Essien 14) L. Matthäus 15) P. Nedved

7. MJJ - 1) F. Beckenbauer 2) Zico 3) Zanetti 4) P. Breitner 5) B. Schweinsteiger 6) Seeler 7) Z. Czibor 8) S. Matthews 9) D. Irwin 10) KH. Schwarzenbeck 11) Effenberg 12) S. Kocsis 13) P. Jennings 14) Garrincha 15) Ronaldinho

8. Sjor Mustard - 1) A. Di Stefano 2) B. Moore 3) R. Gullit 4) J. Kohler 5) D. Alves 6) P. Elkjaer 7) W. van Hanegem 8) B. Zebec 9) N. Kante 10. B. Schuster 11) J. L. Chilavert 12) P. Gascoigne 13) Edmundo 14) G. Best 15) M. van Basten

10. Willhse - 1) F. Rijkaard 2) D. Passarella 3) C. Alberto 4) R. Carlos 5) V. Voronin 6) L. Riva 7) D. Beckham 8) Socrates 9) W. Overath 10) W. Rooney 11) P. Shilton 12) S. Busquets 13) L. Suarez 14) L. Ronaldo 15) R. Krol

11. Jim Beam 1) M. Platini 2) G. Scirea 3) K. H. Rummenigge 4) A. Iniesta 5) O. Blokhin 6) J. Tigana 7. P. McGrath 8. E. Gerets 9) A. Demyanenko 10) C. Ferrara 11) L. Fernández 12) B. Conti 13) R. Dasaev 14) M. Desailly 15) G. Facchetti

13. Enigma/Theon 1) F. Baresi 2) Romário 3) F. Redondo 4) E. Davids 5) L. Figo 6) B. Vogts 7) Rivaldo 8) H. Briegel 9) G. Buffon 10) O. Ruggeri 11) Didi 12) R. Kopa 13) A. Shevchenko 14) L. Messi 15) A, Brehme

15. EAP/GSTQ - 1) P. Maldini 2) E. Figueroa 3) D. Edwards 4) G. Bergomi 5) D. Law 6) R. Baggio 7) Z. Boniek 8) U. Stielike 9) T. Finney 10) E. Van Der Sar 11) R. Bonhof 12) K. Hamrin 13) J. Nasazzi 14) D.Maradona 15) R. Keane


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Enigma/Theon vs Sjor/Mustard
2mufc0 vs EAP/GSTQ
MJJ vs Willhse
Cubemine vs Jim Beam