Redondo_Pirri
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Just 7 Real Madrid players ....pffft
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Muller scored 40+ 6 times out of 12/13 seasons for Bayern (50+ 2 times)You might want to take a look at one Muller, Gerd. Or Pelé. Or Eusebio
Fun fact: Gerd Muller was never, at any point in his career, considered the best player in the world. Neither was Eusebio. Pelé is one of the reasons for that. Cruyff is the other
Take a look at the number of games played too, not just goals scoredMuller scored 40+ 6 times out of 12/13 seasons for Bayern (50+ 2 times)
Eusebio scored 40+ 5 times out of 14 full seasons for Benfica (50+ once)
Pele scored 40+ 8 times out of 18 full years for Santos (50+ 5 times)
Cristiano scored 40+ in the last 7 seasons (50+ in 6 of those)
Messi scored 40+ in the last 8 seasons (50+ in 5 of those)
I have looked at those players you named, and they don't nearly compare to the current greats, Pele comes close...
Neuer is another one.Eriksen, Casemiro, Sanchez, Thiago for me could/should have been there.
So Eusebio play much fewer games of the rest.Take a look at the number of games played too, not just goals scored
Top scorer in both Serie A and Europa League is the only curveball, but the likes of Hummels, Coutinho, Mbappe, Auba, Kante or even De Gea(who is great but really didn't do nor could do much last season) aren't?Pretty much. Dzeko is the only curveball on there.
It's not just Eusebio. Cristiano's best was 61 in 54. Eusebio, 50 in 35. Muller had 67 in 49! Messi is 73 in 60(which, ok. )So Eusebio play much fewer games of the rest.
Bican, Kubala, 4 guys from the Soviet Union and someone named Karel Burkert. That's the whole list - at least those recognised by FIFA (Di Stefano isn't btw, they don't count Colombian caps for some reason)He played for more international teams than pele maradonna and Messi put together...
Can't be many who managed that... bican? And probably a few of the ex Soviet union team
Think the problem is he's been out most of the year with injury.Neuer is another one.
Ah yes, the calender year thing again. Doesn't make any sense to me, but that's probably the reason.Think the problem is he's been out most of the year with injury.
No idea but at least he's a bigger name than Dzeko.Has Hummels been that great the past year?
ThanksPele pretty much dominates it since 1958 to 1964 (apart from 1962 - the winner is, obviously, Garrincha) + 1970. I'm on the phone now, but I think even on Ballon d'Or's wiki page there is a section dedicated to it.
That's incredible! Makes the Messi/Ronaldo somewhat mediocre for once!It's not just Eusebio. Cristiano's best was 61 in 54. Eusebio, 50 in 35. Muller had 67 in 49! Messi is 73 in 60(which, ok. )
Those guys were very much comparable in terms of goalscoring stats. Which is why the reason people rate Messi and Cristiano so much goes beyond just the number of goals. But no, they aren't unique, they aren't the first of their kind
And Casemiro is still not there.Just 7 Real Madrid players ....pffft
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After escaping so many second yellows, he had to be sent off from 1 competition at least.And Casemiro is still not there.
And somehow Coutinho is lolAnd Casemiro is still not there.
It's not just Eusebio. Cristiano's best was 61 in 54. Eusebio, 50 in 35. Muller had 67 in 49! Messi is 73 in 60(which, ok. )
Those guys were very much comparable in terms of goalscoring stats. Which is why the reason people rate Messi and Cristiano so much goes beyond just the number of goals. But no, they aren't unique, they aren't the first of their kind
Denis Law, 46 goals in 42 games in 63-64 season.Jimmy Greaves.
in the 60-61 season he scored 43 goals in 43 appearances for chelsea. I've never seen a stat like it since for an English club, Ronaldo got close with 42 in 49.
He got 44 goals in just 57 appearances in total for England
From the start of the 1958 season for chelsea, to the end of the 1965 season for tottenham, even including 6 months at AC Milan, he scored more than 30 goals in the first division every season for 8 years.
Do you really think so? I mean Pogba has all the ability and still potential in the world, but I don't think he's realized it yet at United, just shown flashes.Pogba not being in either is a bit harsh imo.
Neuer was pretty close to finishing above Messi in 2014. Messi got 15.76% of the votes and Neuer got 15.72%. The problem hasn't been defenders and goalkeepers not being recognised, the problem is Messi and Cristiano exist. It's not just been defenders and keepers that haven't had a chance of winning, it's been everyone else.They should divide this into 4 categories: Best Attacker, Best Defender, Best Midfielder and Best Goalkeeper in the world. It's such a shame that the defenders and goalkeepers don't get the recognition that they deserve. I wonder how soul destroying it is to have to keep attending this event for someone like Manuel Neuer or Sergio Ramos - knowing that you've not got a chance in hell at winning the thing. I mean sure, it's an honour to be nominated I guess but it'd be nice to be recognised as the best in the world in YOUR area of the pitch.
Yeah I know there's a world XI, but that's usually questionable as well.
Ronaldo would have won it anyway in 2013, it was his best calendar year ever. 69 goals and 17 assists in 59 games.Ronaldo won this on the back of getting a hattrick or 4 to lead his team to the World Cup. Will Messi be as fortunate ?
Probably not, as situation back then was quite different - indivially Ronaldo was far superior than anyone else, but he didn't win any major trophy with his club which was the only downside. His main competitors were Ribery (who has been most successful winning the treble, but individually was far behind), and Messi (slightly more successful, individually has performed better than Ribery but couldn't quite match with Ronaldo), all 3 of them have more or less equal chances and the race was pretty even.Ronaldo won this on the back of getting a hattrick or 4 to lead his team to the World Cup. Will Messi be as fortunate ?
This is for the prize of being the best footballer. It shouldn't be categorized and thus diluted. Sure, defending and goalkeeping is an art too, but football's best always been focused on attacking. People watch football for that.They should divide this into 4 categories: Best Attacker, Best Defender, Best Midfielder and Best Goalkeeper in the world. It's such a shame that the defenders and goalkeepers don't get the recognition that they deserve. I wonder how soul destroying it is to have to keep attending this event for someone like Manuel Neuer or Sergio Ramos - knowing that you've not got a chance in hell at winning the thing. I mean sure, it's an honour to be nominated I guess but it'd be nice to be recognised as the best in the world in YOUR area of the pitch.
Yeah I know there's a world XI, but that's usually questionable as well.
That would be the most ridiculous scenario ever.Ronaldo won this on the back of getting a hattrick or 4 to lead his team to the World Cup. Will Messi be as fortunate ?
Many ifs involved, but I think he has a chance in 2018 despite it being a WC year. His current role in both teams fits him like a glove, and I don't think last season's run-in and the EUROs have necessarily been the end of his capabilities on that level. Messi's on a mission though, so it's gonna be fun.Neuer was pretty close to finishing above Messi in 2014. Messi got 15.76% of the votes and Neuer got 15.72%. The problem hasn't been defenders and goalkeepers not being recognised, the problem is Messi and Cristiano exist. It's not just been defenders and keepers that haven't had a chance of winning, it's been everyone else.
Ronaldo would have won it anyway in 2013, it was his best calendar year ever. 69 goals and 17 assists in 59 games.
He'll rightly win it this year but it will be his last one.
Defensive midfielders rarely gets the praise so no surprise. Kante seem to be the exception and he have been extremely much hyped instead funny enough.And Casemiro is still not there.
When it's been the journalists' vote the Ballon D'Or has always gone to a World Cup winner and Portugal aren't going to win the World Cup or get to the final. On top of that, Madrid are already in a bad position in the league so it's less likely he'll have the trophies to back it up. Then he'll be 34 for 2019 so I'm pretty sure this will be his last one although I expect him to have a great end to the season once again.Many ifs involved, but I think he has a chance in 2018 despite it being a WC year. His current role in both teams fits him like a glove, and I don't think last season's run-in and the EUROs have necessarily been the end of his capabilities on that level. Messi's on a mission though, so it's gonna be fun.