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Mo Salah must have a good shout too, as much as it pains me to say it.
I agree with all you said , but Lewy really tried his best at Euros. He scored 3 goals in a weak Polish squad and because of him they nearly made it in the next round.Lewa should have won it in 2020. It was ridiculous to cancel the award when all the major competitions took place. However it would also be ridiculous to award him because he missed out in 2020. That would create a revolving door of "but he deserved it last year" arguments. Imo both messi and lewa would be worthy winners. I lean towards messi because of how absolutely dreadful barcelona look without him and the sensational displays at the Copa. Lewa has an amazing scoring record, but getting injured at the crucial stage of the season and a lack of contribution in the Euros hurts his chance.
Does this video have highlights of all the important games in which he didn't do much of anything?Most players don't have such a highlight reel over their career.
Yes, but in favor of Messi.IMO this debate has become far too much about goals.
Utter drivel.Bundesliga is a farmers league compared to La Liga..
MOTM awards?MOTM: Messi (27) >>> Lewa (13)
No, think that's Fifa best award. It's just journalists these days.Is the gong decided over who really deserves it? It’s still votes by captains and national managers innit?
Ballon d’Or 2021: how does voting work?No, think that's Fifa best award. It's just journalists these days.
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From wikipedia? That just hasn't been updated to include a return to the journalists from 2016 onwards?Ballon d’Or 2021: how does voting work?
Originally voted for by journalists since its conception in 1956, in 2007 the structure of the award was changed to include voting from coaches and captains of national teams around the world, at which point the prize also became open to all players globally rather than just those playing in European leagues – though it has never been won by a player playing outside of Europe.
Each national coach, captain and journalist picks their top three players from the calendar year. The votes are added up, with three points awarded for a top pick, two for a second pick and one point for a third pick.
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Lewandowski robbed again.
From Indy. A few minutes ago.From wikipedia? That just hasn't been updated to include a return to the journalists from 2016 onwards?
No Ballon d'or last year and early out in international competition and champion's league, it's that simple.Within the last 2 years I don’t know how Lewa has not won it.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...st-lionel-messi-virgil-van-dijk-a4303486.htmlFrom Indy. A few minutes ago.
It was only an important game when you lost it I supposeDoes this video have highlights of all the important games in which he didn't do much of anything?
Yes, but in favor of Messi.
The pro-Messi argument right now relies on numbers, because numbers hide the fact that Messi can't do wonderful things when it matters anymore. He used to be a complete nightmare to any top team, and he simply wasn't last season.
So I guess we should strip the lazy fraud of his other Ballon D'Ors as well? Especially if you compare him to the absolute work horse that Lewandowski is.Would love a 2021 highlight of Messi walking on the pitch, not tracking back when he loses the ball, and being anonymous as his Barca side get hammered by PSG in their own stadium.
Football isn't about highlights. Lewandowski has everything over Messi in 2021.
What about most headed goals, most headers, most touches in the opponents box with the head, most goals scored in games scored against team with ‘burg’ in their name, most goals scored after assist from German players and most miles traveled across Eastern Europe though? You are literally comparing all stats where Lewandowski would not only lose out to Messi but basically any midfielder/playmaker in Europe. He is not there to ‘win free kicks’ or ‘make progressive passes’. It’s a pointless comparison.Lewa would a very worthy winner, has more goals, but those acting like Messi winning would be blasphemy are way off the mark:
What about progressive passes, carrying? Through balls? Chances created? Key passes? Chances creates from passes, fouls won, dribbles, shots?
Here I already looked at their underlying stats since last season for a different comment :
Let's see from FBref (only league + CL since last season since FBref doesn't sort stats yearly but that actually works in Lewa's favour since Messi didn't have the best first half of season last time either)
Messi have 2100 more passes completed (3084 vs 982) (89% completed vs 81%)
Messi have 18xA with 17 assists and Lewa has 7.7xA with 13 assists so Lewy's teammates are overperforming with regards to his assists.
Messi has more live passes, FKs, deadballs, more through balls (35 to 7)
Messi has 6.82 SCA per 90 to 2.81 for Lewy (379 vs 146 in total)
Messi has more passes, more dribbles (48 to 13), more free kicks won all leading to a shot than Lewy.
More GCA too 1.01 vs 0.65 per 90
239 completed dribbles to 47 (65% vs 56.6%)
3768 vs 1251 progressive carries
20747 yards carried vs 6318 yards. (tot distance carried)
12869 vs 3087 progressive distance carried in yard
More carries into final 3rd and into 18 yard box
Let's stick with relevant stats.What about most headed goals, most headers, most touches in the opponents box with the head, most goals scored in games scored against team with ‘burg’ in their name, most goals scored after assist from German players and most miles traveled across Eastern Europe though?
You do not win Ballon D'or by just winning Bundesiga, a one-team league that Bayern has been winning 9 years in a rowUtter drivel.
MOTM awards?
Other than the sarcastic stats at the end, why not consider header stats? Those are completely relevant when looking at aerial threat, which Lewandowski is one of it not the best striker at, and holding the ball.Let's stick with relevant stats.
Yes, got fecked over. Not the first one though.Poor Lewandowski. Has clearly been the best player in the world for the last two years, and instead of having two Ballon D'ors and being cemented in history as one of the greats of all time, will have none.
Sneijder in 2010 (in favor of Messi) and Ribery in 2013 (in favor of Ronaldo) are another two players that should have won it.Yes, got fecked over. Not the first one though.
That's true At least some of them are relevant. Touches with the head in the opponent's box seems rather irrelevant. It was just a tongue in cheek reply to a tongue in cheek post.Other than the sarcastic stats at the end, why not consider header stats? Those are completely relevant when looking at aerial threat, which Lewandowski is one of it not the best striker at, and holding the ball.
It depends on the criteria. The issue with the Ballon D'Or is that they changed them on the fly to foster a narrative. If you give it to the best player of the most successful teams, both Messi and Ronaldo have won far too much. If you give it to the individually best player, it's a different question. The best player doesn't always play for the team that won the biggest trophy.Sneijder in 2010 (in favor of Messi) and Ribery in 2013 (in favor of Ronaldo) are another two players that should have won it.
Both Messi and Ronaldo have more Ballon D'ors that they should. They will end 7-5, while I think it should have been 6-4 top.
I agree, it's also a shame as 6th to 7th Ballon d'Or really does nothing for Messi's legacy whereas it does a lot for Lewandowski's. Nobody will change their mind on Messi based on if he has 6 or 7 Ballon d'Ors.Sneijder in 2010 (in favor of Messi) and Ribery in 2013 (in favor of Ronaldo) are another two players that should have won it.
Both Messi and Ronaldo have more Ballon D'ors that they should. They will end 7-5, while I think it should have been 6-4 top.
How is comparing playmakers stats to a striker relevant here at all? In basically every single year Ronaldo won it he would have been well behind Messi in literally all those stats too. There is no way for a striker like Lewandowski, given his role, to beat Messi in basically every statistic he quoted.Let's stick with relevant stats.
Yeah. And also one where Messi can’t touch him due to his height and role in the team. Or penalties scored/conversion rate. I would probably guess Lewandowski had a higher chance conversion too but not 100% sure as Messi is quite clinical himself.Other than the sarcastic stats at the end, why not consider header stats? Those are completely relevant when looking at aerial threat, which Lewandowski is one of it not the best striker at, and holding the ball.
Messi fans will nitpick offensive statistics that he's the best at and pretend they are the most relevant or important statistics.How is comparing playmakers stats to a striker relevant here at all? In basically every single year Ronaldo won it he would have been well behind Messi in literally all those stats too. There is no way for a striker like Lewandowski, given his role, to beat Messi in basically every statistic he quoted.
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La Liga has a player of the month award. Messi only won it once last season. Do you want to explain that context to me?MOTM awards show Messi has been the best player on the pitch more than half the time (more than Benzema+Lewa combined) in a superior league, La Liga, with a much worse squad (Barca) than Bayern under a much worse coach, Koemann.. Context matters..
I think it’s good for Bayern Munich if Lewandowski doesn’t win it. Means he’ll probably be angry and score 2 goals a game for a year to win it next season.Seems pretty much dead locked that Messi will win it.
Lewandowski is going to be pissed, that's for sure He places a lot of value on individual achievements, he was angry at not getting the top scorer award for a couple of years, so he will be raging at not getting this award for two years in a row (deserves it both years).