Barcelona to fire Valverde. Quique Setién to take over

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Barcelona FC are not important to Spain.
Yes they are. I've lived there. Spain is a big, diverse country and Barcelona has loads of fans and business interests beyond Catalonia.
 

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Why is it disgraceful? Maybe not handled elegantly, but firing Valverde is the right decision. It's clearly more than just a couple of results, it's about Barcelona capitulating time and time after having commanding leads. Against Roma. Against Liverpool. This season against last placed Espanyol after a 2 goal lead. Against Atletico in the Super Copa. His inability to prevent these kind of debacles and steer the ship have caused fans to lose all confidence in him.
Even Guardiola wouldn't have beaten them with this current squad.
 

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Capello was sacked once, the first time it was him who left

As to Valverde, he's a good manager who did a pretty good job for them. The problem is they needed a great manager doing a great job

That said, going from Valverde to Setien.... :lol:

Only downside is they're gonna beat us at the bernabeu because setien never loses to Zidane at the bernabeu :lol: which might actually be the reason they went for him come to think of it
Don't they usually beat you at Bernabeu anyways?

Last time you won there was in 2014, so sad :lol:
 

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Don't they usually beat you at Bernabeu anyways?

Last time you won there was in 2014, so sad :lol:
Huh. That's kind of true, would you look at that.

Guess winning the CL every year makes you forget about the minor stuff
 

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Huh. That's kind of true, would you look at that.

Guess winning the CL every year makes you forget about the minor stuff
You didn't win it last year, you bastards. Please go ahead and remedy it this year. Have money on City going out.
 

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Not sure this change made any sense. They've still got a very unbalanced squad that's probably not down to the manager, because the manager is just a head coach who doesn't choose transfer targets. Tonight they fielded 4 central midfielders and had almost no pace on the break. Buying Griezmann seems a bit daft, but not as daft as the money spunked on Coutinho and Dembele, which has to be some of the most reckless spending of money in the history of the game. They've got an ageing backline, their best players are past their peak.

I'm not sure why Valverde garnered so much resentment. I watched their in-house docu-series from last season and he came across really well, more so than any of the players.

Yes, they got done in the CL, twice. Do people expect them to fare any better this season?
 

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Not sure this change made any sense. They've still got a very unbalanced squad that's probably not down to the manager, because the manager is just a head coach who doesn't choose transfer targets. Tonight they fielded 4 central midfielders and had almost no pace on the break. Buying Griezmann seems a bit daft, but not as daft as the money spunked on Coutinho and Dembele, which has to be some of the most reckless spending of money in the history of the game. They've got an ageing backline, their best players are past their peak.

I'm not sure why Valverde garnered so much resentment. I watched their in-house docu-series from last season and he came across really well, more so than any of the players.

Yes, they got done in the CL, twice. Do people expect them to fare any better this season?
Because 80 % of the Barca fanbase started watching from 2009 onwards and had the belief that the team is still at the same level as it was from 2009 - 2015 and only the manager was holding it back from winning another treble. In reality Valverde overachieved. 37 league games unbeaten in his first season, several trashing handed out to Real Madrid, 3 games away from a treble in his second season. While ever player in the squad loved him. Imagine sacking that for a guy who got sacked by Betis ... because philosophy.
 

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Because 80 % of the Barca fanbase started watching from 2009 onwards and had the belief that the team is still at the same level as it was from 2009 - 2015 and only the manager was holding it back from winning another treble. In reality Valverde overachieved. 37 league games unbeaten in his first season, several trashing handed out to Real Madrid, 3 games away from a treble in his second season. While ever player in the squad loved him. Imagine sacking that for a guy who got sacked by Betis ... because philosophy.
Exactly. It just seems completely illogical.

I am actually quite intrigued by Valverde as an option for ourselves. I like him.
 

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It will be the boards fault if they don't win the league this season. They shouldve kept Valverde till the summer at least.
 

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Because 80 % of the Barca fanbase started watching from 2009 onwards and had the belief that the team is still at the same level as it was from 2009 - 2015 and only the manager was holding it back from winning another treble. In reality Valverde overachieved. 37 league games unbeaten in his first season, several trashing handed out to Real Madrid, 3 games away from a treble in his second season. While ever player in the squad loved him. Imagine sacking that for a guy who got sacked by Betis ... because philosophy.
He overachieved but the football was dire. Setien isn’t the amazing football we are hoping for but I still say firing Valverde was the right move. No club in the world would keep their manager after Liverpool and Roma. That was the nail in the coffin.

Setien is dealing with far worse injuries and a much thinner squad than Valverde ever had.

Lucho was once “the guy who got sacked by Roma” and we still got a treble. Today was the firt time Zidane has ever been able to beat Setien. Never did it when he managed Betis or Las Palmas.

Setien is the least of our worries, he’s not nearly as bad as you like to spout. The league was going to be a long shot with the horrible board and thin squad. Valverde wouldn’t have made any difference.

What we need is an early election this summer.
 
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Never heard who is Quique Setien before. So don't know how he was even appointed for the job. However, they have lot of ageing players in the squad.
 

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He overachieved but the football was dire. Setien isn’t the amazing football we are hoping for but I still say firing Valverde was the right move. No club in the world would keep their manager after Liverpool and Roma. That was the nail in the coffin.

Setien is dealing with far worse injuries and a much thinner squad than Valverde ever had.

Lucho was once “the guy who got sacked by Roma” and we still got a treble. Today was the firt time Zidane has ever been able to beat Setien. Never did it when he managed Betis or Las Palmas.

Setien is the least of our worries, he’s not nearly as bad as you like to spout. The league was going to be a long shot with the horrible board and thin squad. Valverde wouldn’t have made any difference.

What we need is an early election this summer.
The comparison with Luis Enrique does not fly. Roma was Luis Enrique's very first job as a 41 year old coach, he does not have to be amazing in his first job in his first season in a completely different league with a midtable team. He wasn't bad anyway, he finished with Roma where Roma finished before he arrived. His major mistake was trying to implement Barca style football at Roma. For a drastic change like that you need to change the whole infrastructure and years of planning like Man City, not just the coach so Roma can suddenly play like Barca because they loaned Bojan.

Enrique's work at Barca B was amazing. He got Barca B promoted from 3rd division to 2nd divison then finished top 3 in the 2nd division, basically would have gotten them promoted twice if not for Barca's first team already playing in La Liga which prohibits Barca's youth team to play in the same division. He also played very good football with Celta. Everyone at Celta cheers for him to this day.

Setien is a 61 year old who got booed by Betis fans and never coached more than lower division teams.

Injury situation is an excuse. Démbéle was always injured. Suarez is nearing retirement and was practically replaced by Griezmann. That makes yesterday's team Barca's full first XI with 5 days of rest against a Ronaldo-less, Hazard-less, Modric-less Real Madrid that trotted out finished Marcelo out of nowhere with Benzema in bad finishing form upfront.

First loss in Bernabeu since 2014 for Barca.
 

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Also some people will have to re-evaluate their rating of De Jong. Mediocre player who got hyped based on Ajax' team performances in a handful of knockout games where he wasn't even Ajax' top 5 player. As I predicted after watching him closely at Ajax, all he does is hold the ball well and then give it to the nearest possible player. No long balls, no throughballs, no cutting edge passes through the lines, no assists, no goalscoring threat, no dribbles, no nothing.
 

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Also some people will have to re-evaluate their rating of De Jong. Mediocre player who got hyped based on Ajax' team performances in a handful of knockout games where he wasn't even Ajax' top 5 player. As I predicted after watching him closely at Ajax, all he does is hold the ball well and then give it to the nearest possible player. No long balls, no throughballs, no cutting edge passes through the lines, no assists, no goalscoring threat, no dribbles, no nothing.
Agree 100%. The thing is he's the 'right' Barca players so they'll rather look away and defend him at all costs. It's a bit like with Messi when it's never his fault. No coincidence that Barca or Arg didn't hire a demanding coach for years, he simply doesn't want to work as hard as possible anymore and doesn't want to challenge himself. De Jong is an okay player bur not worth €15m a year in wages and now they have him, Artur and Busquets, basically no difference between them.
 

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Injury situation is an excuse. Démbéle was always injured. Suarez is nearing retirement and was practically replaced by Griezmann.
Suarez is still a difference maker though, he's a huge miss for them

That makes yesterday's team Barca's full first XI with 5 days of rest against a Ronaldo-less, Hazard-less, Modric-less Real Madrid that trotted out finished Marcelo out of nowhere with Benzema in bad finishing form upfront.
Modric is finished and Marcelo had one of his best games in years yesterday. Benzema also was great. And no, a barca XI missing suarez is not a full XI
Also some people will have to re-evaluate their rating of De Jong. Mediocre player who got hyped based on Ajax' team performances in a handful of knockout games where he wasn't even Ajax' top 5 player. As I predicted after watching him closely at Ajax, all he does is hold the ball well and then give it to the nearest possible player. No long balls, no throughballs, no cutting edge passes through the lines, no assists, no goalscoring threat, no dribbles, no nothing.
De Jong is being played out of position because the geniuses at barcelona don't have the guts to just bench Busquets and also they're convinced they can turn him into Iniesta or something. It's hilarious to watch

Barcelona should have sacked Valverde in the summer. Sacking him when they did it and how they did it made no sense whatsoever though. Nobita and friends needed a scapegoat, that's all

Btw, when it comes to CL, here's barcelona's away results in KO stages dating back to 15/16:
Arsenal 0-2
Atletico 2-0
PSG 4-0
Juventus 3-0
Chelsea 1-1
Roma 3-0
OL 0-0
United 0-1
Liverpool 4-0
Napoli 1-1

The last time they didn't look rubbish away in a CL ko game was arsenal all the way back to February 2016...
 

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Barca will really fall back into the pack when Messi retires/can't play at his GOAT level on a regular basis imo. Thought last night was his poorest clasico in years, he was really on the fringes bar one good throughball I think.

Think they could decline more than Real Madrid did after Ronaldo. Last season wasn't pretty but they still comfortably made top 3 and bounced back this season albeit it with weaknesses.

People just thought Barca and Real Madrid making 90 points + every season was always going to happen.In reality it was due to Messi and Ronaldo at peak of their powers for 5-6 years and also great managers in that period.

Now they both look a little more average but still well clear of the rest.
 

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First of all - what exactly is this so called Barca style?! Is this the tiki-taka bullshit that everyone believes Guardiola's Barca were playing?! Completely wrong. His style is the positional play of Johan Cruyff tweaked and adjusted by Pep to suits his teams. Guardiola had absolutely no problems with implementing it at Bayern - a team wich unlike City never planned or prepared for his arrival. Luis Enrique never played the positional play at Roma, nor at Barca as a matter of fact. His style is slightly different, more direct and counting on the counterattacks and the individual brilliance of his players. As i said a few times already Setien is a poor man's Sarri - both are wannabe Cruyffists with not enough pedigree and understanding to fully embrace the system and Johan's ideas.
 

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Losing Neymar like that fecked them in so many ways.
Their behavior in the market since has made United look shrewd. :lol:
They are an extremely lucky club in that Messi didn't do a ronaldo on them by leaving. Take messi out they become mediocre. As you said their transfer business int he last few years have been astounding. Spending 100 plus on Dembele and then another 100 plus on Griezman. Their best player after Messi is arguably their keeper.
 

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They are an extremely lucky club in that Messi didn't do a ronaldo on them by leaving. Take messi out they become mediocre. As you said their transfer business int he last few years have been astounding. Spending 100 plus on Dembele and then another 100 plus on Griezman. Their best player after Messi is arguably their keeper.
When Messi leaves, I cannot imagine the state of that club. They'd need to spend like £400m which will never happen.

Their transfer policy must be one of the worst. Don't forget £140m on Coutinho who has been out on loan when they need players up top.
 

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When Messi leaves, I cannot imagine the state of that club. They'd need to spend like £400m which will never happen.

Their transfer policy must be one of the worst. Don't forget £140m on Coutinho who has been out on loan when they need players up top.
Yeah totally forgot that disaster. They are lucky they play in a 2 club or at max 3 club league where no matter how crap you are CL is a guarantee.
 

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Yeah totally forgot that disaster. They are lucky they play in a 2 club or at max 3 club league where no matter how crap you are CL is a guarantee.
Exactly, they'd completely struggle in this league with the current team.

Spanish teams are very technical so players like Pique, Busquets, Arthur can get away with it. The prem is a lot more physical and fast.

Barca have lost the fear factor as they don't have anyone quick in their team anymore either. Hope they are planning on a rebuild rather than just spend another £180m on Neymar aged 28
 

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The comparison with Luis Enrique does not fly. Roma was Luis Enrique's very first job as a 41 year old coach, he does not have to be amazing in his first job in his first season in a completely different league with a midtable team. He wasn't bad anyway, he finished with Roma where Roma finished before he arrived. His major mistake was trying to implement Barca style football at Roma. For a drastic change like that you need to change the whole infrastructure and years of planning like Man City, not just the coach so Roma can suddenly play like Barca because they loaned Bojan.

Enrique's work at Barca B was amazing. He got Barca B promoted from 3rd division to 2nd divison then finished top 3 in the 2nd division, basically would have gotten them promoted twice if not for Barca's first team already playing in La Liga which prohibits Barca's youth team to play in the same division. He also played very good football with Celta. Everyone at Celta cheers for him to this day.

Setien is a 61 year old who got booed by Betis fans and never coached more than lower division teams.

Injury situation is an excuse. Démbéle was always injured. Suarez is nearing retirement and was practically replaced by Griezmann. That makes yesterday's team Barca's full first XI with 5 days of rest against a Ronaldo-less, Hazard-less, Modric-less Real Madrid that trotted out finished Marcelo out of nowhere with Benzema in bad finishing form upfront.

First loss in Bernabeu since 2014 for Barca.
And how did Valverde do this season at home again Madrid? He was extremely lucky to get a draw in a match where Barca were dominated at camp nou. He also had his first matchup with Real Madrid end up 5-1 aggregate in the super cup

It wouldn’t be much different with Valverde remaining, maybe even worse.

We have no number 9 and no wingers, not sure what you’d expect. It’s the thinnest squad Barca have had in 15 years
 

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Exactly, they'd completely struggle in this league with the current team.

Spanish teams are very technical so players like Pique, Busquets, Arthur can get away with it. The prem is a lot more physical and fast.

Barca have lost the fear factor as they don't have anyone quick in their team anymore either. Hope they are planning on a rebuild rather than just spend another £180m on Neymar aged 28
Barca would still finish top 3 in epl don’t kid yourself. This is the second worst epl of the last ten years. Don’t kid yourself. They have yet to lose a single game in UCL this year so spare the crap about the epl being so great. It’s a farmers league this year.
 

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Barca would still finish top 3 in epl don’t kid yourself. This is the second worst epl of the last ten years. Don’t kid yourself. They have yet to lose a single game in UCL this year so spare the crap about the epl being so great. It’s a farmers league this year.
They might because of Messi, without him no chance. That was the topic, without Messi Barcelona will struggle to get top 4. It might one of the worst seasons but dont kid yourself either.

Liverpool winning almost all their games would still be top in every other league.

Farmers League? How so? please explain?

P.S second team in the farmers league gave the 1st team in La Liga a footballing lesson in the CL. Real v City
 

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Yeah totally forgot that disaster. They are lucky they play in a 2 club or at max 3 club league where no matter how crap you are CL is a guarantee.
The premiere league is a 2 club max league as well. Getafe knocked out Ajax, atletico already gave Liverpool a loss, Madrid pushed city although city deserved to win

Arsenal getting knocked out, Tottenham look to be knocked out but yeah, Barca would struggle making CL in a horrible epl league where they are also undefeated in CL

People who see one Barca game all year and make up stuff based on that one game is incredible.
 
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They might because of Messi, without him no chance. That was the topic, without Messi Barcelona will struggle to get top 4. It might one of the worst seasons but dont kid yourself either.

Liverpool winning almost all their games would still be top in every other league.

Farmers League? How so? please explain?

P.S second team in the farmers league gave the 1st team in La Liga a footballing lesson in the CL. Real v City
Liverpool are over 20 points clear at the top. If that was any other league people would be calling it a farmers league.
 

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They might because of Messi, without him no chance. That was the topic, without Messi Barcelona will struggle to get top 4. It might one of the worst seasons but dont kid yourself either.

Liverpool winning almost all their games would still be top in every other league.

Farmers League? How so? please explain?

P.S second team in the farmers league gave the 1st team in La Liga a footballing lesson in the CL. Real v City
Really? A penalty and a defensive error is a footballing lesson? City couldn’t score till 85 minutes in

And by the way, our worst Atletico side of the past 7 years just gave an almost undefeated Liverpool a team a loss and not a single shot on target. There are no great defensive teams in the epl outside of Liverpool. Nearly every epl team is in strong position of being knocked out of Europe though I expect city and Liverpool to scrape by.

Epl is laughable this season. Arsenal, chelsea, Tottenham, and united are awful. It is comfortably one of the worst epl batch of teams we’ve had, up there with 2016.

Not that la liga is amazing this year but epl would be a walk in the park for a CL spot for most other leagues top 3-4 teams.
 

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Liverpool are over 20 points clear at the top. If that was any other league people would be calling it a farmers league.
Exactly, the second they leave England they already have two losses against atletico and Napoli
 

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Liverpool are over 20 points clear at the top. If that was any other league people would be calling it a farmers league.
Not really - its very rare for a team to run away with the title with that sort of distance. Although City did it before them, you'd struggle to find comparable gaps beyond there.

Moreover the teams below Liverpool are broadly Champions League sides or Europa favourites, so they aren't farmer teams.
 

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Not really - its very rare for a team to run away with the title with that sort of distance. Although City did it before them, you'd struggle to find comparable gaps beyond there.

Moreover the teams below Liverpool are broadly Champions League sides or Europa favourites, so they aren't farmer teams.
The teams below them are either knocked out or are as good as finished. Outside of city and Liverpool

It is absolutely a farmers league this season, it happens. La liga is far more competitive in spots 2-7 than the epl is.
 

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Liverpool are over 20 points clear at the top. If that was any other league people would be calling it a farmers league.
Yeah, it is a freak season where they winning ever game.
Really? A penalty and a defensive error is a footballing lesson? City couldn’t score till 85 minutes in

And by the way, our worst Atletico side of the past 7 years just gave an almost undefeated Liverpool a team a loss and not a single shot on target. There are no great defensive teams in the epl outside of Liverpool. Nearly every epl team is in strong position of being knocked out of Europe though I expect city and Liverpool to scrape by.

Epl is laughable this season. Arsenal, chelsea, Tottenham, and united are awful. It is comfortably one of the worst epl batch of teams we’ve had, up there with 2016.

Not that la liga is amazing this year but epl would be a walk in the park for a CL spot for most other leagues top 3-4 teams.
I am guessing you didn't watch the game?

Atheltico are probably one of the best defensive teams, they offered nothing else apart from defending. Lets see how this defence does at Anfield.

City are in a strong place to being knocked out? Okay then.

The fact that EPL have 5/6 teams that can compete in Europe compared to 1/2 shows you the strength of it.

Agreed this might be one of the worst bunch of EPL teams but I am sure they will come back strong.

Walk in the park? Juve team that is on the verge of going out, PSG are a goal down going into second leg. Inter got demoted to EL.

Real and Athelti will be going out leaving Barca only.

Not bad having 2 EPL teams in the quarter final considering the worst bunch?
 

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Liverpool are over 20 points clear at the top. If that was any other league people would be calling it a farmers league.
Not really, PSG have finished the season 13, 16, 13 points above 2nd place last 3 years and have lost 3 games each season and drawing a minimum of 4 games. Liverpool only drawn and lost 1.
 

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Yeah, it is a freak season where they winning ever game.


I am guessing you didn't watch the game?

Atheltico are probably one of the best defensive teams, they offered nothing else apart from defending. Lets see how this defence does at Anfield.

City are in a strong place to being knocked out? Okay then.

The fact that EPL have 5/6 teams that can compete in Europe compared to 1/2 shows you the strength of it.

Agreed this might be one of the worst bunch of EPL teams but I am sure they will come back strong.

Walk in the park? Juve team that is on the verge of going out, PSG are a goal down going into second leg. Inter got demoted to EL.

Real and Athelti will be going out leaving Barca only.

Not bad having 2 EPL teams in the quarter final considering the worst bunch?
Liverpool failed to get a SINGLE shot on target. They also lost to Napoli who aren’t even top 4 in England. Love that you have Liverpool comfortably going through but Juventus going out despite having the same deficit as Liverpool

City needed 2 extremely late goals, Madrid are missing hazard and won’t have Ramos in the second leg.

It’s a joke of a league this year and again, teams 3-7 are far more competitive in la liga than they are in epl. No team in England is able to not allow Liverpool a shot on target yet teams like Atletico and Napoli are

And psg are just down one goal, tie is far from over and Dortmund is better than any epl team not city or Liverpool. Chelsea got curb Stomped and arsenal are out. United has had some very easy matchups
 

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The premiere league is a 2 club max league as well. Getafe knocked out Ajax, atletico already gave Liverpool a loss, Madrid pushed city although city deserved to win

Arsenal getting knocked out, Tottenham look to be knocked out but yeah, Barca would struggle making CL in a horrible epl league where they are also undefeated in CL

People who see one Barca game all year and make up stuff based on that one game is incredible.
You didn't understand the clux of my post. I am not here debating whether Barcelona is better than Chelsea, United, Arsenal or Spurs. Ofcourse they are. The point is other teams in LaLiga bar Madrid duos and Barca will never be able to topple the big two or three. SO you guys could afford a bad season or two and still find yourself in CL position but chances of that happening here is less. To get a top 4 position in PL is much harder for a top club than in La Liga or Bundlesliga.
 
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Not really - its very rare for a team to run away with the title with that sort of distance. Although City did it before them, you'd struggle to find comparable gaps beyond there.

Moreover the teams below Liverpool are broadly Champions League sides or Europa favourites, so they aren't farmer teams.
Apart from last season i cant think of genuine title race. The season before City won the league by 20 points as well.

This season the PL quality has been poor without a doubt, i mean Leicester haven't won a game in nearly 2 months but they're still 3rd! Honestly what kind of nonsense is this? :lol:
 
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Apart from last season i cant think of genuine title race. The sesson before City won the league be 20 points as well.

This season the PL quality has been poor without a doubt, i mean Leicester haven't won a game in nearly 2 months but they're still 3rd! Honestly what kind of nonsense is this? :lol:
This season is weird. Any other season Chelsea wouldn't be in Top 4.