Bayindir HAS to start the next game. [SPOILER]He didn't[/SPOILER]

hobbers said:
What knowledge are you employing when you claim Onana is a better keeper than Bayindir or Heaton?

Fifa ratings, presumably. Certainly not form, or your eyes.
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At this point, I assume you're all just taking the piss. Well done lads, very funny. Nobody can be this clueless.
 
hobbers said:
Not answered what you're basing it on. Their career history? Their price tags?

You might not like this conventional wisdom, but there is no basis to claim Onana is better than Bayindir until you give Bayindir a run of games in the league and see how he does.

Given how much of a donkey Onana is and how many points he's costing us, giving Bayindir a shot is an easy decision which costs us nothing.
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Im basing it on absolutely everything. Onana is unarguably a better goalkeeper than Bayindir. That shouldn't take a genius, but apparently it does. Nothing should surprise me, but fecking hell some of you lot...
 
Remember the geese said:
Im basing it on absolutely everything. Onana is unarguably a better goalkeeper than Bayindir. That shouldn't take a genius, but apparently it does. Nothing should surprise me, but fecking hell some of you lot...
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Onana is dog-shite bud, I don't know what you're watching but another game where he made it certain we'd lose.

No clue if Bayindir is better but it's not a high bar.
 
hobbers said:
Not answered what you're basing it on. Their career history? Their price tags?

You might not like this conventional wisdom, but there is no basis to claim Onana is better than Bayindir until you give Bayindir a run of games in the league and see how he does.

Given how much of a donkey Onana is and how many points he's costing us, giving Bayindir a shot is an easy decision which costs us nothing.
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He's basing it on "because he said so" , and I mean, who can argue with that.
 
hobbers said:
What knowledge are you employing when you claim Onana is a better keeper than Bayindir or Heaton?

Fifa ratings, presumably. Certainly not form, or your eyes.
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The problem with Onana is the spectrum of his performances range from absolutely insane reflex saves, down to gifting goals away by being shit. Often in the same game.

Heaton or bayindir might well do better than Onana if given a run, or they might not. I think it’s fair enough to give them a try though.
 
IWat said:
Onana is dog-shite bud, I don't know what you're watching but another game where he made it certain we'd lose.

No clue if Bayindir is better but it's not a high bar.
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I'm not saying that Onana has been amazing for us, but Bayindir absolutely is not the one. Rather amusingly, his mistakes are glossed over.
 
I don’t follow only 4 Man United players in social media : Rashford , Bruno , Dalot and Onana nothing personal just don’t like them . Used to follow Dalot until he was send to loan to Ac Milan. Bayindir is better because : he won’t hold the ball so long and don’t concede clownish goals . Average weight of goalkeepers is 83kg and Onana is 95kg or 15 stones overweight and not athletic goalkeeper.
 
Our #1 is so so bad. Should have cut our losses after he pretty much single handedly ensured we finished bottom of that CL group. The worst thing I can say about him is I wish he was Liverpools keeper.

I'd just give Bayindir the season from here.
 
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Today was Onana's Taibi moment. It will never be forgotten.

I totally accept he's had some very good performances this season but if you compile his mistakes it's untenable.
 
The fact that were debating who's better is masking the real issue in that neither should be starting keeper for Manchester United.
 
Albo said:
I don’t follow only 4 Man United players in social media : Rashford , Bruno , Dalot and Onana nothing personal just don’t like them . Used to follow Dalot until he was send to loan to Ac Milan. Bayindir is better because : he won’t hold the ball so long and don’t concede clownish goals . Average weight of goalkeepers is 83kg and Onana is 95kg or 15 stones overweight and not athletic goalkeeper.
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Interesting observation on his weight relative to average.

If Onana was 15 stone overweight Utd would have our very own ‘Rahkeem Cornwall’ scenario - he would then likely save more shots by dint of his size!
 
Please give a chance to Vitek??

Is Vitek that bad not to be in the first team squad?

He should start against Rangers but it will obviously be Bayindir.
 
My concern with this is that Bayindir has made 3 mistakes in two games, that's an average of 1.5 mistakes per game.

Onana makes a mistake about once every two games...so according to my complex calculations I'd say the conclusion is...neither are good enough
 
Lentwood said:
My concern with this is that Bayindir has made 3 mistakes in two games, that's an average of 1.5 mistakes per game.

Onana makes a mistake about once every two games...so according to my complex calculations I'd say the conclusion is...neither are good enough
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I think Bayindir deserves a run of games.

Valid conclusion, however for now up until the end of the season just give Bayindir his chance now. I doubt we get anyone in Jan.

I think after Onana's awful first season we should've got De Gea back on the cheap.
 
Andy_Cole said:
I think Bayindir deserves a run of games.

Valid conclusion, however for now up until the end of the season just give Bayindir his chance now. I doubt we get anyone in Jan.

I think after Onana's awful first season we should've got De Gea back on the cheap.
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I think DDG, like McTominay, for example, just needed to move on. I don't think he'd have recaptured his best form here, some players get tired and jaded, and DDG looked shot at United.

Once again, it's seems we missed a perfect example to sign a good replacement on the cheap with the Japanese lad, but bottled it as usual!

I don't mind trying Bayindir but if he's not the answer long term, dropping Onana just damages his potential transfer value. I'd keep him as #1 until the end of the season, hope he avoids too many major clangers and then try to get £20-25m for him.
 
The Cat said:
Today was Onana's Taibi moment. It will never be forgotten.

I totally accept he's had some very good performances this season but if you compile his mistakes it's untenable.
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Onana has had mulitple Taibi moments.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Yeah he won’t. If Amorim drops Onana now he will kill the confidence of our first choice keeper, Andre may never recover. We are stuck with him until we sign a replacement.
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I mean, if this is Onana playing with confidence....
 
Plant0x84 said:
It’s not, but dropping him isn’t going to improve things.
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Yep, fully agreed. Replacing one sack of nerves with another one improves nothing and just shatters (and rescues any sale value if we're thinking that direction) of the former sack of nerves
 
Lentwood said:
I think DDG, like McTominay, for example, just needed to move on. I don't think he'd have recaptured his best form here, some players get tired and jaded, and DDG looked shot at United.

Once again, it's seems we missed a perfect example to sign a good replacement on the cheap with the Japanese lad, but bottled it as usual!

I don't mind trying Bayindir but if he's not the answer long term, dropping Onana just damages his potential transfer value. I'd keep him as #1 until the end of the season, hope he avoids too many major clangers and then try to get £20-25m for him.
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We tried really hard for Suzuki. But he wanted first team assurance.
 
Remember the geese said:
It shouldn't exist. It's unarguable and inarguable. However, I cannot control the content that some deem to be threadworthy.
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I’m with Geese.

2 things can be true at once, Onana isn’t good enough and Altay wouldn’t improve the situation.

Byandir on the ball would make DDG blush. We’re playing a back-3/5 which creates a propensity to hold the ball across the backline above that of a back-4. He’ll be involved a lot with his feet, he’s going to
Invite pressure and constantly turn the ball over via desperation clearances into the channels a lot.

I think his actual ball handling/diving technique is better than Onana’s. But he still does strike me as having a Bozo gene. See Spurs
 
Remember the geese said:
Im basing it on absolutely everything. Onana is unarguably a better goalkeeper than Bayindir. That shouldn't take a genius, but apparently it does. Nothing should surprise me, but fecking hell some of you lot...
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On paper and history, yes he is. But he's making too many errors. You can't just let him ride it out while he's making such basic mistakes game after game.
 
Chinchy98 said:
I’m with Geese.

2 things can be true at once, Onana isn’t good enough and Altay wouldn’t improve the situation.

Byandir on the ball would make DDG blush. We’re playing a back-3/5 which creates a propensity to hold the ball across the backline above that of a back-4. He’ll be involved a lot with his feet, he’s going to
Invite pressure and constantly turn the ball over via desperation clearances into the channels a lot.

I think his actual ball handling/diving technique is better than Onana’s. But he still does strike me as having a Bozo gene. See Spurs
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Why does everyone say how good Onana is on the ball? I know he's had periods where he was good but look at Brighton and ignore the error that led to a goal that no professional football should ever do, he had 4 accurate long balls out of 15 (26% accuracy), 14/26 passes (54%) but don't worry as he held onto the ball for 20 minutes and told everyone to calm down about 20 times
 
Oldyella said:
On paper and history, yes he is. But he's making too many errors. You can't just let him ride it out while he's making such basic mistakes game after game.
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And Bayindir hasn't? He didn't play much, but he pretty much gifted a goal every time be did
 
hellhunter said:
And Bayindir hasn't? He didn't play much, but he pretty much gifted a goal every time be did
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I'm more worried about him with ball at feet, but what do you do? Why bother having a back up goalie if you don't use him when the 1st one is constantly shitting the bed? Oh for the days of Romero as back up.
 
Onana needs to be dropped. For 2 or 3 games at least to see if Bayindir can step up and do a better job.

With all due respect, f**k Onana's confidence. If he's that fragile he shouldn't be a professional footballer. What about the confidence of the players that have to play in front of him?!
 
Plant0x84 said:
Yeah he won’t. If Amorim drops Onana now he will kill the confidence of our first choice keeper, Andre may never recover. We are stuck with him until we sign a replacement.
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Or it will be a kick up the back side he needs?
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Why does everyone say how good Onana is on the ball? I know he's had periods where he was good but look at Brighton and ignore the error that led to a goal that no professional football should ever do, he had 4 accurate long balls out of 15 (26% accuracy), 14/26 passes (54%) but don't worry as he held onto the ball for 20 minutes and told everyone to calm down about 20 times
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It’s more that he can find the simple pass under pressure, should the option be on.

You’d have noticed in the Brighton game he was happy to allow the CF to get within a yard or 2 of him before playing the pass, it allows an overload to occur somewhere on the pitch as the CF has now taken themselves out of the game by effectively being stood on the same spot as our GK. that leaves 10 outfield reds vs Brightons 9 should be play vertically.

This is something Byandir does not have the composure/ability to deliver, and something that the passing accuracy metrics struggle to show. It’s about details on actions.

That being said, he’s really poor from a technical goalkeeping perspective, you can view my comment history, as I’ve said just as much throughout his time here.

I think we should be in the market for a keeper in the next few windows, or imminently if this form persists.
 
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