The strangest thing in the story has to be the McIllroy testimony. So the girl says he wasn‘t there. But he said he was there with his dick out. MassiveSpanners article makes the theory that he got his storyline mixed up with Olding when questioned by the police. But why on earth would it make sense for any of the three, least for himself obvs, to place him on the scene when he wasn‘t even there? Mistakes happen when being grilled but it seems a bit off that he can make a mistake like that if his story is not being in the room.
Belfast Rugby Players Rape Trial
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m not actually sure what happened with the evidence that was provided, rape could have very well happened but there didn't seem to be enough evidence to convict
Agreed. I think Ireland is 30 years behind with the concept of consent.
Gilroy dragged into it now, probably due to his involvement in the texts
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So you think that this case could not happen in the UK?
Usually a sign that the prosecutions case is weak.
It could well. Just less likely in such circumstances.
I remember a number of kiss and tell stories in the papers with PL footballers engaging in group sex, chad Evans case etc.
My point is that when you have fame and money ( football rugby, musicians) and men/women happy to use their fame to exploit sometimes vulnerable people then these type of cases are likely. No more likely in the North of Ireland as anywhere else in the UK imo.
I don't think the understanding of consent is any different over here either.
The Ched Evans case is different because it didn't involve any witness testimony from the alleged victim. It was a dubious case none the less and ofcourse he obviously got convicted on the first trial.
You do realise that this did happen in the UK. It might not have been in mainland Britain but NI is part of the UK.
Really?! How did you work that out?
Personal experience aside, the pervasive influence of religion for one. The collective opinion of my family (who are all Irish) for a second.
Baz also posted an interesting stat that in Ireland women are less likely to convict on rape charges. The opposite of the rest of the developed world.
Really? Tell me more.
Europe is our mainland bud, yous are just another ( slightly bigger) island like ourselves.
Of course there are various factor involved and I think there is a general problem with people understanding the concept of consent but I think Ireland (on average) suffers from the religious induced saint or slut dichotomous view of women promoted by the church. It can't be rape because only a slut would have got herself in such a position etc etc
Not anymore and that pisses me off no end. I'm not knocking Ireland, I love the place. I'm just saying that the court case fell under British law not Irish law so don't blame the Irish for the result.
Well I agree that the churches over here generally have a pretty poor respect for women but I had never thought that this moral view would influence the judgment of such cases.
I guess you never know what bias jurors bring to a case. However all 11 agreed with the verdict so I doubt that they were all fundamentalist christians.
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Fair point taken.
Don't lose faith,these things go in cycles. Undoubtedly in a few years some government will think it a great idea to propose some sort of European Union to join again.
We can always hope.
I'm sure they weren't but there is a fair chance that they were all Christians and in any case a society like Irleand's (North and South) is very heavily influenced by the church even if you yourself aren't religious or very religious.
This is a good article
https://www.rte.ie/eile/brainstorm/2018/0404/952043-law-sympathy-and-rape-jokes/
https://www.rte.ie/eile/brainstorm/2018/0404/952043-law-sympathy-and-rape-jokes/
Absolutely disgusted to read about laughter coming from the public gallary during the alleged victims testimony
I was watching the case very carefully and hadn't heard anything about it to be honest! Disgraceful.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-ne...-gallery-at-woman-were-shocking-36761337.html
Not so much any more Wibs.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/23/gay-marriage-ireland-yes-vote
We also have a referendum on the horizon to legalise abortion.
And this year was the first year pubs were allowed to open on good Friday.
The days of the church holding the sway of public attitudes are gone.
Thank god
I know it is improving but it takes generations for the social aspects to filter out of sciety.Not so much any more Wibs.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/23/gay-marriage-ireland-yes-vote
We also have a referendum on the horizon to legalise abortion.
And this year was the first year pubs were allowed to open on good Friday.
The days of the church holding the sway of public attitudes are gone.
Thank god
Paddy Jackson seeks to get 100k in legal fees back.
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Dodgy as feck imo.
I’m not sure the blood stains are particularly incriminating but can see why they were airbrushed out. If you play a sport where you regularly get the shit kicked out of you - and are as diligent with your laundry as most 20 something year old blokes - there’s a good chance your sheets will have blood on them.
There are reports that Jackson and Olding will leave Ulster. They'd be wise to, but who'll want them? They're PR poison now.
Confirmed now that both have been sacked
No surprise there.
So they've basically been sacked because of the contents of those text messages?
I'd say every rugby player in Ireland better start deleting texts pretty sharpish then.
I'd say every rugby player in Ireland better start deleting texts pretty sharpish then.
I don't know what to make of all this. Content on private messages a grounds for sacking?
They're no longer private.
Yeah and it's a public job as well I suppose
What a fecking joke.
Jackson releases a contrite statement, Olding not so much