So United's trophies when they spent a British transfer fee on Roy Keane are devalued, sorry that's bollocks
Bellingham 150m / Rice 100m
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Why would any club pay for potential like this when it’s priced more than proven quality?
Wouldn't go near either, and wouldn't be fussed seeing either go to a rival.
Rice is t going to cost near that much. That doesn’t necessarily mean I’m hyped to add him mind, but he’s down to his last 18 months (not sure if that’s with or without the club option), he’s refused all offered extensions, and he will hand in a transfer request and help force a way out of it comes to that.
Id pay 150 for Bellingham if we had a chance at him. I think clubs will find over the next 2 to 3 years that that price level is going to be average for the top tier prospects. Madrid just paid 72m plus add ins for a chubby, 5’8” 16 year old teams “hope” will continue growing.
The top level teams are spending 50 to 60 for quality cover … essentially backups… at certain positions.
its only ludicrous if it keeps you from spending money in another area, or for an additional asset you were planning to acquire is lost because that money was spent.
Now, wanting a completely different player is a whole other issue. I think I’d rather have Enzo than Rice as well. But it has nothing to do with the money involved.
Id pay 150 for Bellingham if we had a chance at him. I think clubs will find over the next 2 to 3 years that that price level is going to be average for the top tier prospects. Madrid just paid 72m plus add ins for a chubby, 5’8” 16 year old teams “hope” will continue growing.
The top level teams are spending 50 to 60 for quality cover … essentially backups… at certain positions.
its only ludicrous if it keeps you from spending money in another area, or for an additional asset you were planning to acquire is lost because that money was spent.
Now, wanting a completely different player is a whole other issue. I think I’d rather have Enzo than Rice as well. But it has nothing to do with the money involved.
Disagree. Rice has 2 years left but wants to leave. Yet he is still one of their best players and captain. Still worth about £80 million to his club. That’s not to say he is worth it but the club decides his worth.
Also calling Endrick chubby is a little bizarre. He was wanted by everyone. Though Gael Kakuta looked like Messi at 16 so it’s hard to say his true ability and potential there’s no denying that if he even develops into a reasonable player they’ll make that money back if they sell.
150m. Oh my days. 150 freaking million. Its crazy how we are becoming desensitised to such amounts. Bellingham is no where near 150m. Dortmund sold us sancho with way better assists and goals at 75m and he has failed to replicate those stats. Now they ask for 150m and its chump change. No way...Bellingham is good but not that good. There are so many young talented midfielders in france and italy that we would really stupid to pay that 150m. He isnt that good. All the hype is because he is english, period. Would rather spend that 150m on 2 or 3 good players to cover different positions
Oh I don’t care. You’ll never hear me complaining about Maguire being £80m for example.
But it’s more so about budget dispersal when there’s still obvious areas we need to improve.
I’d certainly be up for Bellingham and a good striker for £170m for example and call our window done. But even that would be a bit risky when there’s still money to be spent in other areas.
I don't disagree, re: Bellingham, he isn't our current need and TBH I'm not totally convinced the way he plays is suitable in the rush and tumble of the PL, could be wrong of course, but out immediate need is a proper centre forward, not the likes of Gakpo who is really a winger
Re: Rice I would have gone for him but we got Casemiro so the need for Rice has gone down a bit for me as well. our other target should be to either persuade Henderson to stay or replace De Gea, the latter, IMO. is a big part of our defensive problems, he's a great shot stopper but the rest of his game is pretty average to poor, if we had a Schemical type we'd never worry about our CD's!
I actually don't think any central midfielder in the current game is worth that price. For me, you would have to be in your prime performing at a level of peak Kroos or Modric to be worth anywhere near that fee. Being worth that means you would have to offer consistent control of the midfield with simply your presence and I don't think any current midfielder does that. 150m for a midfielder based off potential just doesnt make sense.
Pogba in 2016 was as close as you could get to a sure thing for a young midfielder and even he didn't end up performing to a lot of people's expectations. For me, its the hardest position to anticipate quality. Being good in the position, knowing how to control games or consistently win midfield battles is something that comes with experience. Due to this being more mental than physical or technical, its almost impossible to determine which young central or defensive midfielder (not attacking midfielders) is going to reach that level until they are already there. Bellingham can make runs and has good physical attributes, but there is no certainty that he will ever know how to win a midfield battle or dictate a game. Particularly for a team like United, who have struggled to control games for the past decade, you won't want to spend that type of money on a midfielder who may never develop that kind of game.
For an attacker and defender its a lot simpler to determine. It's easier to see the technical and physical attributes. Plus particularly with attackers, them not reading the game well will not cost you control of games. For a midfielder, it will. Spending that type of money on potential just to lose midfield battles won't be worth it.
wtf?
You think that's why it hurts when Liverpool win, more than City? How long have you been a United supporter? Like 3 or 4 years?
Oh I know, we wanted him as well, but im watching more and more stuff on the kid and the line you get after every evaluation is “and of course he’ll grow more”
But that isnt necessarily true.
And chubby may be harsh .. “stocky”? He’s short, not exactly chiseled, and there’s a decent bit of baby fat in play. From film at least he doesn’t look especially rapid. He doesn’t break defenses down from the wing like a young Neymar or Vini Jr. He seems more a productive 5’8”, 5’9” central attacker with excellent touch, who “may” grow more. And the market for him at 16 is near 80m when all is said and done?
That’s my point really. Not trying to be mean. I wanted to win that race just to win it. Maybe he will be the next “best ever” But prices are relative.
You can’t go 80 million for that kid and then say 130 or so for a 19 yr old who is already captaining a major side in Europe is ridiculous. At least it doesn’t seem congruous to me.
On Declan… I don’t see it getting into the 80’s or above unless there is a bidding war.
I actually think we are saying about the same thing, just in different ways.
Really like what I've seen on Rice in this WC. Powerful, full of energy, good in positioning, decent ball holding, and can pick up pass. Whoever gets him will have a good player with much upward potential.
Apparently Rice is Arsenals top transfer target for the summer.
Wouldn’t want either in all honesty, rather by the next 30 year old has been warrior.
De Jong on the other hand I’d pay £80 million for him.
De Jong on the other hand I’d pay £80 million for him.
It's a pretty good update on Xhaka.
You mean Chelsea's top transfer target for the summer
Has he got a relegation clause in his contract?
That means Boehly is already signing his contract with a planko wage field and comment next to it that says "put in whatever you want".
De Jong doesn't know what he wants to do, having been fecked around last summer we should stay clear of him
Arsenal doing God's work if they sign him. He's so fecking overrated, and I'm sick of him being linked with us.
Hard to believe Edu will spend that much to cover Partey. A 30M young DM is more likely.
Bellingham would be an excellent buy. Now that we've got our act together under Ten Hag and seem to be on the way up again, he might well come here.
Would not work as well for us with Bruno already here. Would prefer more of a passer rather than box to box guy.
Wont cost 100m if West Ham get relegated. Agent Moyes is on the job.
Bellingham for 150m on a 10 year contract which is only 15m a season. Every EPL club can afford him apparently.
I don't know. Rice can do a lot of the stuff Xhaka has been surprisingly good at and you could rotate those 3 and then eventually have Rice take Partey's job.
Partey is your Varane, you have to spend money on a quality backup for him anyways because he's injury prone and irreplaceable, so might as well spend an extra 40M on one who can take over for Partey full time in 2-3 years and keep him from playing 45 games a year and running himself into the ground.
But to your point, signing Lemar or Shkiri on a free to backup Partey and just signing a proper #8 with only a year or 2 to go on his deal like Mac Allister wouldn't shock me either.
I don't have any inside information and still find it very unlikely given Mohamed Elneny just signed an one year extension to his contract and Albert Sambi Lokonga is also a backup option. Arsenal has more urgent need for a right winger to compete with Saka. May be the young players can make the step up next season.
I would absolutely not want Bellingham for £100 million, he’s a Pogba type but works harder.
I think Ten Hag is after specialists, he has his intelligent DM now he needs a technical playmaker in the mould of a young Ericksen or De Jong, this to me is an actual plan and shows where we are trying to go.
Fred, Ericksen, Casemiro, De Jong is brilliant for gong into next season, quality balanced midfielders are like golddust in football almost as rare as strikers. One in one out from there I think. Bruno is the key piece though I feel if he was out we could lack creativity but I trust Ten Haag to sort all this out anyway which is beautiful, finally attractive football isnt far away.
I think Ten Hag is after specialists, he has his intelligent DM now he needs a technical playmaker in the mould of a young Ericksen or De Jong, this to me is an actual plan and shows where we are trying to go.
Fred, Ericksen, Casemiro, De Jong is brilliant for gong into next season, quality balanced midfielders are like golddust in football almost as rare as strikers. One in one out from there I think. Bruno is the key piece though I feel if he was out we could lack creativity but I trust Ten Haag to sort all this out anyway which is beautiful, finally attractive football isnt far away.
Rather get De Jong.
very unlikely FDJ will leave the current Barcelona.
We need a Bellingham type player now that we have Casemiro. 1 Dm is enough in the starting 11. Bellingham and Casemiro has a midfield 2 would be quality.
It’s more possible this summer than it was last summer. We may be able to offer him CL football and he might want a new challenge.
But it is likely that they wanna get rid of him.
From what I read he wants to stay and play for Barcelona at all cost. Who wouldn't to be honest with his contract and the weather of Barcelona? They are playing good football too.
Ye maybe his situations changed from last season. He’s getting more game time now.
Aren't they skint? Also aren't they struggling to register some of their signings due to FFP?
Their board tried extremely hard last summer already and got them no where. The player has a contract.
Good, let them have their Maguire moment.
Believe me, this lad is over rated and not worth the amount of money being talked about. We should steer well clear unless his price comes down to £30m
I'm really not a fan either. He's very tidy but i don't think he can do what Xhaka does in a more offensive position and he definitely can't do what Partey does defensively. Massive amount of cash for a downgrade on both positions. The only thing he's got going is the age but at 29 and 30, we're still fine for 2 good seasons. We need to find a 30/40M bracket type of deal with potential.