Spain has been producing plenty of those. England hasn't had anyone since Carrick.
Bellingham 150m / Rice 100m
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We don't need Rice at the moment and paying 150m for Bellingham makes no sense, we can probably get two players in.We can try and get Gakpo and Enzo Fernández for a sum close to that.
This pretty much. Also the reason why I'm still not fully sold on Bellingham. He's none of these type of midfielders. Of course you can also park a creator in midfield if he's as good as de Bruyne and maybe Bellingham can reach that level but it's a big maybe. Even if he did, you'd have to surround him with players doing the actual controlling and setting the pace.
I have Gavi and Pedri considerably ahead of him in terms of midfielders and also believe there are bigger talents than him in the Bundesliga, namely Musiala, Wirtz and possibly Moukoko.
I wonder how most United fans would rank Rice, Bellingham and Fred.
I like Fred but it blows my mind that he’s starting for Brazil today. Say he plays well and keeps his place through the tournament, what’s his value going to be afterwards? Lower than ever I suppose; none of it makes any sense. He really makes me laugh; great guy.
I like Fred but it blows my mind that he’s starting for Brazil today. Say he plays well and keeps his place through the tournament, what’s his value going to be afterwards? Lower than ever I suppose; none of it makes any sense. He really makes me laugh; great guy.
I can't make my mind up with bellingham. My gut feeling is we're looking a very good player in the making rather than a great one.
Reminds me of Gerrard in his play. And England really needed him to be another scholes type.
Reminds me of Gerrard in his play. And England really needed him to be another scholes type.
Scholes was a number 10 at 19, maybe Foden can eventually be that type?
saw someone call him a rich man’s Jermaine Jenas and now I can’t unsee it
It was 15 in january, Will be 100 at least next january.
That's what happens when you don't risk when you need to.
Don't know if this has been asked, and I know a player is only worth what a club is willing to pay, but how much would Bellingham really go for currently? Realistically?
100m?
100m?
We’re always risking but never on the right players.
I could see it being more than that if a couple of clubs were competing (say city and liverpool)
If you had us and Chelsea in there as well possibly 150m?
Yup but I could still see it happeningLunacy
I think both are good players but neither worth anywhere near this type of fee. If they’re at your club or ~50m definitely but otherwise nah. Rice is solid but unspectacular and Bellingham I have doubts about how they’d cope in the PL.
I think Bellingham can easily cope in the PL, the question is can he excel? The answer is an uncertain maybe for me, hence why I think he is not worth 150M, at least not yet.
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I feel like he would get bullied.
No thanks. I'm tired of us being fleeced for overhyped, English players.
Would rather our scouts did some actual work and unveiling some gems. Or failing that trusting our manager.
Would rather our scouts did some actual work and unveiling some gems. Or failing that trusting our manager.
People need to chill a bit, wasn’t long ago majority on here we’re fuming we didn’t cough up €120m for Sancho.
Physically, he would be fine I think, more than fine I would say as he seems quite strong for his age and he should get stronger as he reaches his mid-twenties, the issue would be how he is deployed, he plays like some sort of CM who is competent defensively and plays like a quasi AM who attacks and scores goals, he tackles a lot, he tracks back and defends, presses, runs into channels and into the box, takes shots, passes well, and as some of other posters alluded to earlier, he is well rounded but not a "Specialist" or a "Master" at something, which does not justify a 150M outlay for him, not even a 100M.
For us, I would say he would might fit alongside Casemiro & Eriksen, as a high-energy 8, with Casemiro screening & Eriksen dictating play from midfield, but I am not sure he is as good as Bruno in chance creation, probably he isn't and that then adds the burden of creation onto Eriksen, or we will need a false 9 who is adept at creating chances for the others in the team.
As I said in my earlier post, the challenge for anyone in the PL who wants to sign Bellingham, aside from his exorbitant fee which is not justifiable in any way, is how to fit him into a team style.
He got shrugged off the ball quite easily against the US at times. I think he has the build to be physically capable but he’s still quite happy to float through games I think at times and that’s something he needs to work on. I realise he’s only 19 and tactical/individual naivety comes into play there but it would make me very wary of spending so much money on him already. I think he needs a year or two of more development before he’s ready for that type of fee or the PL.
Viewing Bellingham is a generational thing.
You can see some posters/fans, who are presumably younger, confused by a midfielder who can do a bit of everything. That player is a rare thing now. They don't know where he'd fit positionally.
Where as for the older football watcher, this is what midfielders are supposed to be.
Likewise for the older fan it took a while to accept the modern midfielder. The specialist who can only play a certain role in a particular part of the pitch.
You can see some posters/fans, who are presumably younger, confused by a midfielder who can do a bit of everything. That player is a rare thing now. They don't know where he'd fit positionally.
Where as for the older football watcher, this is what midfielders are supposed to be.
Likewise for the older fan it took a while to accept the modern midfielder. The specialist who can only play a certain role in a particular part of the pitch.
Gavi is clear sans the strength. Since we already have Casemiro we should be looking for a player of that profile.
That's how I see it as well. 20 or 30 years ago you would have 2 players similar to Bellingham playing alongside each other. One maybe a bit better defensively, but both contributing at both ends of the pitch.
Can't disagree with you here, even though he is only 19, he still managed something close to 170 games of pro football (Birmingham, Borussia & England), but he is still developing and probably needs to remain in the Bundesliga for 2 more years, by then at 22yo, he should be at a level where can, to some extent, justify a +100M transfer fee.
Still can’t get over the fact that we have our own Rice at home. McTominay. They’re exactly the same player.
if we swapped them around we’d be saying the same things about both players, Rice doesn’t excite me at all.
Would rather we go all out for Bellingham.
if we swapped them around we’d be saying the same things about both players, Rice doesn’t excite me at all.
Would rather we go all out for Bellingham.
i'm just very lukewarm on Bundesliga players now, they all really seem to struggle in the EPL even though they can look great in European Competitions or at international level. Even the guys Klopp got in Firmino, Konate, Keita are all a bit meh. Bellingham 50M maybe at a push, 150M and your having a laugh.
I feel Bellingham will be among the top 5 midfielders in the world within the next 5 years.
£100m is the going rate for that calibre player. Not worth it, but also don't want to see him at City either.
£100m is the going rate for that calibre player. Not worth it, but also don't want to see him at City either.
Declan Rice v France
Passing accuracy: 95%
Passes: 61
Key passes: 1
Tackles: 3 (75% success)
Interceptions: 3
Won the ball back more than any other player on the pitch. Lost possession the least out of any player on the pitch.
I think he he is a really good defensive midfielder who will be a great signing for whoever gets him.
People say the price is absurd, but Tchouameni went €80m and is a similar age and is no better than Rice. That is what players cost nowadays. Besides, I think Rice would cost less than 100m, in reality.
Passing accuracy: 95%
Passes: 61
Key passes: 1
Tackles: 3 (75% success)
Interceptions: 3
Won the ball back more than any other player on the pitch. Lost possession the least out of any player on the pitch.
I think he he is a really good defensive midfielder who will be a great signing for whoever gets him.
People say the price is absurd, but Tchouameni went €80m and is a similar age and is no better than Rice. That is what players cost nowadays. Besides, I think Rice would cost less than 100m, in reality.
I don't get the obsession about how much a player costs, it isn't mine or your money
On the contrary, watching Bellingham and Rice in the tournament I've been trying to answer the question of are they star level players worth 100mil or more. In the end i ended thinking they arent. The only players in the england team that I think are at that level are kane and foden. Rice and Bellingham I believe you can get a similar level of player for half the price.
Neither is worth anywhere near price’s quoted. We need nimble midfielders like Modric, Eriksen etc if we’re to play at a high technical level. The USA outplayed these two
Bellingham gets overrated because of age but people forget he was already fully physically developed by age 17.
So was Rooney so I guess he was overrated as well!
Physical deveoplment is only part of the equation, Bellingham will develop as he gets older thru experience as will most of the younger players, that applies to msot things in life
Ah yeah KdB, Haaland, Son, Mane, Firmino, Gundogan, Aubameyang, and Sane have all had torrid times in England.
Stop letting our poor transfer record with the league cloud your judgement
Rice did well in a game which England lost.
Stats FC
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Both proved they are not worth those prices.
Tchouameni is better than both of them. We will never find value in English players and must focus our efforts elsewhere.
Spending a lot of money devalues wining trophies. Like it or not, that’s fact!
That’s why it hurts more Liverpool wining than City.
Insanely overpriced. We would be absolutely mad buying either at those prices. Even half price would be pushing it