Our final team under Fergie played a deeper defensive block and invited pressure. We don't even press half as much as City did. You seldom see our midfielders covering so much ground with that intensity.
Something definitely smells fishy.
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Something definitely smells fishy.
What you did there is why I have an issue with averages across all players in football, since players have vastly different roles they have vastly different output, someone like Dele Alli has an average of 70 sprints per game which means that in order to get to 70 sprint on average, Dele Alli has mixed games where he is probably at for example 40 sprints and others where he is close to 100.Then you also have plenty of players that are close to 0, so when you use PL averages, your estimation for Bernardo is most likely far from reality, his role and style will put him in a different category closer to Dele Alli which makes PL averages irrelevant. As an example in 2015 Ritchie registered +100 sprint in a single game.
Now, if we go back to Bernardo Silva he registers on average fairly high distances, if you take the CL as a example he probably has games where he is close to 10km and others where he is close to 13km which puts his average between these two figures.
Of course none of that indicates whether footballers use PEDs or not, maybe he has been doing it since his Benfica days. But people shouldn't be surprised by these figures, they are not special for someone that is around 12km per game.
I guarantee that everyone at the top level takes peds, but some people choose to take compounds before a game that leave the system quickly when dosed correctly as a little extra. The testing system is easy as piss to get around, USADA has far more stringent testing and everyone still takes the piss in athletics.
Guardiola's Barcelona players got done for it, a few players would take a little extra for a specific game. But the blood samples for that have been thrown into a black hole to stop a doping scandal coming out. I don't think the evidence for that will ever come out since spanish football doesn't give a feck about doping.
Yes but I was referring to say longer spirnts 30m or so, of Alli's sprint most were 20m at best (Im sure Bernardo had plenty of those too.) Being a coach/martial arts instructor its something I look into a fair bit.
Fair point, I shiould have been clearer, The 20 sprints was more 20 long sprints.
So lets say we are talking 70 sprints in total including tiny ones, 50 of those are 10-20 yard bursts and will have very little effect on him for more then a couple of seconds recovery of course it will tire him but not to stupid levels because, lets say a high 20m x 50 sprints, Thats 1km, and then 20 sprints at 30-40m That is 800m. So again you are talking at most 2-3km of sprinting over 90 minutes and very far from the 75% of his 13.7km.
You add in Bernardo's size compared to the average player and there is clearly no argument he needs Ped's to play like that.
Here's a good link if you are interested in it dude.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...red_by_Top_Level_Europa_League_Soccer_Players
That makes more sense, it would be interesting to have the actual speeds too, average, average while sprinting and maximum. It would be interesting to compare it with Eriksen and Dele Alli, Eriksen is supposed to be the player that covers the longest distance while Alli is the one that makes the most sprints.
Yeah, I really wish the PL would release sprint stats along with distance covered instead of the odd article, or better yet distance ran by speed would be awesome.
So something like a chart with distance and speed.
For example Alli: 12km total, x km at high intensity (over 12km per hour), x km at very high intensity (over 18km per hour), x km sprinted (over 25.2km per hour, this is the figure the PL currently uses apparently or at least it was in 2014).
Erikesin: 13km total, and all the differences.
Beckham used to average that much per season back in the early 00s
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2001/oct/14/sport.englandundersven
I can't remember who mentioned it but his VO2 max was supposed to be off the charts. Someone mentioned that in preseason, the game was to try to put in the red and they never did.
It's not really about the distance covered, he was pressing relentlessly.
There were always rumours that he completed the bleep test but not sure if that’s true. He was always at the highest end of stamina levels in football though.
He pressed so much yesterday in injury time he had a moment where he slipped and fell over and my initial thought were that his legs have collapsed.
Of course it was very impressive running but to say he is on peds while others aren't because of such work rate is a little foolish. Football players need to be good at football first and their ability to run comes second. Maybe Bernardo is just very good at the running bit as well.Are you seriously comparing you jogging in a straight line to a high intensity football match twisting and turning on a soft surface? Too many kicks in the head from kickboxing by the sounds of it.
Since you won't take my word from it, why do you think managers rotate their squads in the festive period? Because you will burn a player out or risk injury making them play 5 times in 15-16 days. You see it time and time again with high intensity teams burning out over Christmas (Leeds is a fine example this year), but I guess they don't have the exact same magic physios or facilities you mentioned above, eh?
What he did on his 4th game is beyond belief and would be credited accordingly had his manager not a shady record of unrealistic endurance players throughout is Barcelona spell.
Also you mentioned if you stretch lactic acid isn't a problem, have you ever played a football match? You legs would be fecked playing 4 games in that space no matter how much you foam rolled or stretched.
I'm also a runner and took it very seriously back in highschool. It was common to do 2 high intensity workouts a week one of which was to do 20 400 meter spints in between 56-58 seconds. (A spint in football is considered going over 25.2 kph which is a 57 second 400 meter time.) With 200 meters between each sprint and warm ups and cool downs would hit 15k. This would be 4 times in a 14 day period while running at least 13k the other days.
I agree running on a track isn't the same as in a match but this was also a highschool athlete not a professional one. I'm not trying to say Bernados efforts aren't impresive they certainly are, but not as humanly impossible as you make them sound.
Yes, it's not really possible to complete it, but there's no doubting that Beckham had exceptional aerobic fitness.
If you can have 3 players playing like that during a game, you're golden. Was in the zone. Man possessed.
He improved a lot this season.
Moutinho was like that when he was younger.
Yeah, because obviously if you’re a PED master like people are claiming Guardiola is, what you’d do is pump one player full of them and leave everyone else to be “dead on their feet” with 10 minutes of the game to go. Flawless plan.
It seems like there’s almost a deliberate choice from Guardiola to focus on “leanness” in his conditioning of players. Apart from the naturally bulky players like Walker and Agüero, the majority of the team are so skinny and scrawny looking.
Fernandinho’s arms look like something you’d see on a heroin chic model from the 1990s. Even their centre backs, Stones and Laporte look noticably wirey compared to the typical central defender.
Im curious what is the average height of a premier league footballer if you removed goalkeepers and centre backs since these positions obviously require 6 foot plus players. Would probably be really hard to find such a specific stat though.
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I got your back buddy.
https://www.theversed.com/86312/are...-a-premier-league-player-firmino/#.T91Izegnvf
Strange that the average for every position is taller by almost an inch this season compared to 92-93 when the league started.
People in general are taller.
Makes sense.
He is becoming my favourite player this season, David needs to shave his hair though
Strong case to be made that he is the best performing midfielder in the league this season.
Should be a contender for player of the year along with Aguero and Salah.
he's played well but if we're talking City midfielders you can't look past Fernandinho. they crumbled when he missed a few matches.
The heir of spanish Silva. So you don't need 100+m to get a good midfielder actually.
A rare two way player
Fernandinho is indispensable but City crumbling in his absence is more due to the lack of a backup for him. I think Bernando has hit a higher level of performance.
People didn't believe us when we said that he was the best player in Ligue 1. Stats aren't everything.
Salah not done enough to be on shortlist.
VVD should be Liverpool’s contender for the award.
Love him as a player and he is having a great season. The only thing is has anyone noticed how one footed he is? Seems he only touches the ball with his left foot the majority of the time. If he ever gets more comfortable with his right could definitely go up another level even.
Can’t pretend to have watched much of him there, but his class and energy was immediately obvious.
! (now that just sounds religious
)To me. Only he, Van Dijk and Aguero should make the list
I was convinced that he would replace Iniesta, it's a real shame that he ended up at City.
Well it's good that he doesn't have to strengthen the Spanish league. English UCL winners are overdue now.
He needs to bulk up if he wants to play in in The Most Physically Demanding Competition Since Colosseum.
Seriously, though. His class was evident for all to see at Monaco. It's barely mentioned, but what a fine dribbler he is, too.
Seriously, though. His class was evident for all to see at Monaco. It's barely mentioned, but what a fine dribbler he is, too.
I think most Liverpool fans wouldn't have Salah as their own player of the season, let alone the league's. Also think Son deserves recognition for the excellent season he's had.
Salah? No chance.