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Fred as a squad option but why wouldn't Bruno start? He's single handedly saved this club from being in a much worse position and scores and assists double figures every season.I hope not as starters.
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Fred as a squad option but why wouldn't Bruno start? He's single handedly saved this club from being in a much worse position and scores and assists double figures every season.I hope not as starters.
Whoops! I highlighted Bruno instead of McT.Fred as a squad option but why wouldn't Bruno start? He's single handedly saved this club from being in a much worse position and scores and assists double figures every season.
Ah! Then yeah both as squad players. I think they're poorly used in the current set up and both suit a B2B role more than a sitting midfielder.Whoops! I highlighted Bruno instead of McT.
Yeah. They did not have the skills or discipline to be sitters.Ah! Then yeah both as squad players. I think they're poorly used in the current set up and both suit a B2B role more than a sitting midfielder.
There are quite a lot of players available for free in the summer. We should be on some of the better ones of those, provided they want to come. We are clearing a lot of the wage bill with those leaving so that covers the wages for these. Supplement that with a few paid for signings and promote the likes of garner, Hannibal etc. That leaves us in a much better position that we are in now.It’s not going to happen. All these players will not be replaced. We don’t have endless buckets of cash and the Glazers aren’t about to get their wallets out. If the club let all these players leave we will be at least 50% youth teamers next season and will endure misery and mid-tableness for years to come. Be careful what you wish for…..
Well I can't disagree that if we refuse to listen to peoples advice then we are in real trouble, but there is nothing yet to suggest that Arnold will be as stubborn as Woodward and a few things to suggest that he won't be. Appointing Rangnick in this position is one of those indicators.Being told something and acting on it are totally different, they also haven’t promised Rangnick will have any kind of decision making. The people with all that are the same ones who were fully behind Ole and clung on too long. Arnold is likely to be no different to Woodward.
Rangnick is only smart appointment if you listen to him and implement what he says, there’s no guarantee that will happen. Utd are obsessed by sponsorship and social media, I don’t believe this has suddenly become a football club again. It’s still a business first and foremost.
Respectfully disagree. Free signings generally mean huge signing on fees and obscene wages. Not something we should encourage. We want players who WANT to play for United not just looking for a pay day. There is a very real risk of weakening our squad massively this summer.There are quite a lot of players available for free in the summer. We should be on some of the better ones of those, provided they want to come. We are clearing a lot of the wage bill with those leaving so that covers the wages for these. Supplement that with a few paid for signings and promote the likes of garner, Hannibal etc. That leaves us in a much better position that we are in now.
There’s no way Rashford, AWB, Maguire and Shaw depart in one summer. A new manager will be given a chance to get them back in form, which they’re capable of. We do need at least 5 signings though based on the number of likely departures.Players that should be sold after this season:-
1. Maguire
2. AWB
3. Shaw
4. Rashford
5. Greenwood
Players that need to be moved on or allowed to leave after this season:-
1. Lingard
2. Henderson
3. Cavani
4. Ronaldo
5. Pogba
6. Mata
7. Jones
No wonder were down the shitter, its not just a couple of players but half the fecking squad thats subpar. Anyone who claims ole left a good squad for the next manager needs a good bollocking!
Not sure I can agree with you on that statement.Nah. He doesnt give a feck about us. He got his severance pay and laugh all the way to the bank
Your point is a fair one, but I've never seen so much inevitable change to the squad in one window and if handled well we could bring in new first team players who take the places of others who should become squad players. E. G. DVB and Pogba out and a quality DM and CM in with McTominay and Fred then squad players.But other than Pogba the players who are leaving for free don’t play, Mata, Cavani, Lingard barely kick a ball. Martial and DVB aren’t even at the club.
A reset mean getting rid of the real problems, the players on the pitch week in week out. It’s looking at all your highly paid, expensive players, those with big social media followings and who you let advertise for your sponsors. That’s where all the focus needs to be not on the players just making up the numbers, can a new manager offload any of Rashford, Maguire , Shaw, DDG, Mct, Ronaldo if they want to.
Mata can stay of go and it won’t make of a blind bit of difference but whether to stick or twist with players like I mentioned will be what makes or breaks the next manager.
I don't believe Ole ignored the sub standard midfield, he was openly discussing recruits there and we were strongly linked to the likes of Rice but as even a CL winning manager like Jose discovered, nobody was able to convince Ed that they knew more about football than he did. If you think Ole had anything whatsoever to do with signing Ronaldo you really have not paid much attention to how the club has operated under these owners.For me it’s on ole, he persisted for season after season with McFred as the heart of our team. At the start of the season we had on paper an embarrassment of attacking riches. Greenwood, Cavani, Rashford, Martial, Elanga, Sancho… Ole IGNORES the very sub standard midfield and he goes out and buys an aging Ronaldo for £20m seemingly just to stop him going to City.
I know there would be several youngsters but if 10 players leave this summer, we still have a squad of 26 players, if we sold 16 and bought 5 we have a squad of 26. Our squad is huge Grant, Henderson, Heaton, Bailly, WIlliams, Tuanzabe, Mata, Pereira, Pellestri, Garner, VDB, Hannibal, Martial, CHong....I know several are on loan, but there is barely a handful of performances between them, thats a large portion of our squad, we really shouldnt be concerned about numbers of players elaving this summer as very few have been quality, the numbers are severely effected. The only concern is a limited budget maybe as you mention and possibly not strengtheing that from sales either.There's far too much to do over just one summer, especially with a limited budget.
Whilst missing-out on the Europa League as well as the Champions League would be bad financially, the fewer games might help us to cope with all the players who are leaving due to running-down their contracts or only being on short-term deals. If we have a European season ahead of us without those squad players then the first XI are going to be battered by the amount of games.
I think we have to carry the majority of the underperforming players for another year due to the players leaving for free this summer - so that means the likes of Rashford, Maguire, Shaw, AWB, etc., need to be retained in the hope that they can contribute something next season before looking at shifting them the following summer.
Martial might want to leave but I can't see a team coming-in for him with an acceptable offer, especially at his wages. I think he has to stay ahead of a move the following window. VDB seems popular at Everton so might attract a decent offer from them, but their financial situation is in question right now so who knows. I might let him go to raise some money but not for our traditional low sales fee.
The priority needs to be midfield - DM obviously, and some sort of Pogba replacement in terms of numbers, though not necessarily style is needed. Defence can be a problem for the following summer, as can maybe the attack though I wouldn't be opposed to someone new in the frontline with potential since we can't attract prime talent.
So basically: plan for two summers worth of refresh, concentrate on getting certain areas right this summer and build from there.
Totally agree, people keep mentioning how they have bought well generally without paying huge fees....but they also came in and bought a lot of players and solved a lot of players quickly, that built a solid foundation for future windows, all this sign four has to be done in stages is utter nonsense and has failed us for several windows alreadyThat’s all it will be just reducing squad and wage bill, the real problems will still be at the club.
When Pep joined City one of the first things he did was dump Joe Hart. City fans chanted against it, the media complained but Pep just assessed he couldn’t do what he wanted him to do, he even got two attempts to replace him.
A reset means allowing someone to come in and apply that logic to all the players, Klopp gutted Liverpool’s squad as well. I can’t see any Utd being allowed to do the same.
Well then we should write off the next season aswell.There’s no way Rashford, AWB, Maguire and Shaw depart in one summer. A new manager will be given a chance to get them back in form, which they’re capable of. We do need at least 5 signings though based on the number of likely departures.
We do need to field a squad and starting 11 next season. If you have an elite manager in charge then the players you’ve mentioned that should be sold don’t look as bad, and in the case of Rashford look very good. That’s what good managers do and we have to trust someone like Ten Hag or Poch will get a tune out of them.Well then we should write off the next season aswell.
Turd cannot be polished and one doesn't get played back to form at utd, thats what mid-table teams with no ambition for any silverware do. If your not good enough you move on, this coddling business only makes our players mentally weak, no wonder they stopped trying at 3-1.
Good managers also know they can't polish turd. That's why pep and klopp shipped most of the players they inherited from the previous manager.We do need to field a squad and starting 11 next season. If you have an elite manager in charge then the players you’ve mentioned that should be sold don’t look as bad, and in the case of Rashford look very good. That’s what good managers do and we have to trust someone like Ten Hag or Poch will get a tune out of them.
But we don’t have our elite manager yet, and any manager like Ten Hag or Poch will want to first assess what they have in Rashford, Maguire Shaw and AWB before deciding to ship them out. It would be fair to say that no club in history has ever undertaken the clear out you’re suggesting and it’s not going to happen now. The names already mentioned re: Ronaldo, Pogba etc will be gone, but the rest will stay along with some new signings, returnees from loan and promotions from the reserves. This isn’t going to be turned around instantaneously.Good managers also know they can't polish turd. That's why pep and klopp shipped most of the players they inherited from the previous manager.
There's no way Mata stays, that would mean that we would offer him a new contract AND he accepting it. I think it's a much bigger risk that Jones stays.I’d say 100% going Pogba, Cavani, Lingard, Jones.
90% Ronaldo, Henderson, Mata.
75% depending on the fee we would want. Williams, Pereira, Tuanzebe.
50/50 Donny (will surely stay under ETH), Martial, Dalot, Telles, Matic, Greenwood.
Unfortunately I’d love the likes of Fred, McTominay, AWB, Maguire, Rashford to do one but they’ll all be staying. Shaw I’m losing a bit of patience with but he will no doubt be staying also.
I’m happy with De Gea, Bruno, Sancho and Elanga progress and I’m sure whether ready or not Garner will be back along with Amad.
A huge rebuild is definitely needed and looking back at how cheap Zakaria was that looks a real error in my opinion, regardless of who the new manager would be and with Matic age and future unclear, it would have been a very cheap low risk addition. I’m worried we will sign one midfielder in the summer when in reality we need a minimum of two top class additions…next season is going to be a grind for sure as I doubt our club has the ability to even do half of what is required.
This. People keep wanting to debate reset or no reset, but the reality is that those players you mentioned are gone. A reset is happening one way or another.The irony is the club won't have a choice in the reset. Most of those players I've listed will either leave because of end of contract or force a move. I wouldn't be surprised if Ronaldo even has an exit clause for such circumstances.
He was too soft on them after getting the job on a permanent basis I am absolutely convinced of thatI'd really like to know what's going through Ole's head right now. Does he feel any sense of culpability, or does he feel like he was handcuffed by indifferent management. Either way, we're at the burn-the-house-down-and-rebuild-it fork in the road.
Ole was too soft on the players, but I wonder what he himself believes went wrong. No one can say what's going through his mind, but what I would say that Ole never seemed to learn and grow as every month passed by. It was the same mistakes, over and over. But I seriously doubt he believes he made any serious mistakes. He might concede a few questionable substitutions, but I doubt anything more than that.He was too soft on them after getting the job on a permanent basis I am absolutely convinced of that
Makes you wonder is that a key role RR is playing right now? He’ll then file a report for the new manager as to who the right ‘type’ of players are in this squad and who should be shipped out from everything he is experiencing right now. The new manager can then go through each individual case and make a decision based on RR’s intel and no doubt respected opinions.But we don’t have our elite manager yet, and any manager like Ten Hag or Poch will want to first assess what they have in Rashford, Maguire Shaw and AWB before deciding to ship them out. It would be fair to say that no club in history has ever undertaken the clear out you’re suggesting and it’s not going to happen now. The names already mentioned re: Ronaldo, Pogba etc will be gone, but the rest will stay along with some new signings, returnees from loan and promotions from the reserves. This isn’t going to be turned around instantaneously.