Skizzo
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No worries mate understandable. Thanks for checking in.Would have loved to vote mate but I don't know enough about half of the players there at the very least. Won't be fair.
No worries mate understandable. Thanks for checking in.Would have loved to vote mate but I don't know enough about half of the players there at the very least. Won't be fair.
Come on! The only player who you may not be familiar be with is Pirri, and it a easy Google away from me selling it it you.Would have loved to vote mate but I don't know enough about half of the players there at the very least. Won't be fair.
Pirri, kola, hanegem, ressenbrink, bossis I've barely heard of. Then there's atleast 3-4 who I know but not well enough to have an informed opinion. I'm just 27 man and I don't want to affect a draft when I'm not in a position to make an informed call. I know the effort you guys put into these because I follow every draft right from the drafting to the matches but never voteCome on! The only player who you may not be familiar be with is Pirri, and it a easy Google away from me selling it it you.
harms has a great attackn no question, but I do have have an equally fantastic defence. The edge being I have a better offence in Baggio/Kopa against his defence in Rio/Vierchowood, but that's something I leave you to decide. harms may blame Vidic for all weakness, bit I still think rio had an understanding with Vidic that is not reproducable with Vierchowood.
Eto'o being a peer in this regard and not a weaker player is to my advantage,
Baggio is considered one of the best players of his generation, and one of Italy's greatest players; he is regarded by many as the best Italian player of all time. Italian journalist Gianni Brera, who had observed both Giuseppe Meazza and Gianni Rivera, stated that Baggio was the best Italian player he had ever seen. A world class playmaker with an eye for goal, he was renowned for his vision, creativity, and passing ability, but usually played as a second forward throughout his career, as he was known for scoring goals as well as creating them. This led Michel Platini to describe him as a "9 and a half", as he was not a true number 9 striker, due to his creative ability, but he scored more than a number 10 playmaker. He also stated that Baggio's playing style coincided with the re-emergence of the attacking midfielder in Italy during the early 2000s. While at Juventus, Gianni Agnelli referred to Baggio as an artist, comparing his elegance to the painter Raffaello, whilst he described the emerging talent Alessandro Del Piero as his student Pinturicchio.Carlo Mazzone said:"Roberto Baggio was the best Italian fantasista; he was better than Meazza and Boniperti, and he was amongst the greatest of all time, right behind Maradona, Pele, and maybe Cruyff. Without the injury problems and the difficulties with his knees, he would have been the very best player in history."
Baggio was tactically versatile, and was comfortable attacking on both wings or through the centre; this allowed him to play anywhere along the front-line. His preferred position was in a free-role, as a creative, attacking midfield playmaker, although he was rarely deployed in this position throughout his career due to the prevalence of the 4-4-2 formation; it was only in later years that he was able to play in this role more frequently. A prolific goalscorer, Baggio was also a set piece specialist, renowned for his accurate bending shots and Free kicks. His free kick technique influenced several other players, such as Andrea Pirlo. Despite his miss in the 1994 World Cup Final shootout, Baggio was also a penalty kick specialist.Brian Laudrup said:"He's without doubt the most skilful number ten in the modern game, the archetypal playmaker, if you like, who can create chances and score goals."
You are overthinking the impact of discussion on voting anyway. For scan voters, only the formation matters. Only draft voting regulars look at the discussion inside the thread.I'm really getting tired of a "football math" in our games where some players keeps getting ignored. To be frank I'm tired of the whole match process - it would've been better, imo, with just 2 opening posts and the other people discussing it. This draft is not like the others - we don't need to explain what calibre of a players are on the pitch, most of them are known to a relatively ignorant football fan.
Looks like I just broke the deadlock.And I can't forget the draft connoisseurs, some of which have already engaged in the debate, but neglected to vote so far
@Gio @Aldo @Chesterlestreet @Joga Bonito @Theon @Annahnomoss
Still 12-12Looks like I just broke the deadlock.
Not sure at all what you're getting at here.Bump
Rijkaard is having monstrous game dealing with Pele and Netzer? No way
Nah ,we've been trailing on GD all through.Tied again
Which is still beyond me how we'd be shipping so many goals!Nah ,we've been trailing on GD all through.
Not that I'd like it to be decided on GD but that's a far better way to do it than penos, in my opinion of course.@coolredwine @Berbaclass @The Law of Denis @Fortitude @NinjaFletch
Don't let this be decided on goal difference please, kthanks
We're coming up to stoppage time
Pros and cons to both, not sure which I prefer yet. Penos, while boring, and kind of a cop out for some people in regards to "voting for ties" at least leave it in a managers hands.
That 3-0 scan vote is an outlier and may well decide the tie. Don't like penos, but this worse imo.
You can't call it an outlier or a random vote just because it was against you, it is as much a vote as the rest of them including the ones that gave you the win.Pros and cons to both, not sure which I prefer yet. Penos, while boring, and kind of a cop out for some people in regards to "voting for ties" at least leave it in a managers hands.
This way you can get screwed by a random vote going one way (a 3 goal loss by one voter while everyone else sees it close, for example)
Nothing is perfect though
Against or for, I'd feel the same way if there's 1 vote out of 24 that see 3 goals difference between either team.You can't call it an outlier or a random vote just because it was against you, it is as much a vote as the rest of them including the ones that gave you the win.
If you want complete justification of votes, get rid of the poll and have people vote by posting. Once you add a public poll, you need accept each vote equally.
nope, still 14-14 on votes, but down on GDAh well brwned broke the tie.
But that is a voter's opinion and it counts exactly the same as all others, even if you completely disagree with it. At least now you can see who voted against the norm, and talk about it. So it is adding way more information than before anyway.Against or for, I'd feel the same way if there's 1 vote out of 24 that see 3 goals difference between either team.
harms is leading 15-14nope, still 14-14 on votes, but down on GD
It doesn't exactly count the same as others when that's the vote that is now potentially deciding a game, though. 29 people could vote 1-0 both ways, but one vote at 3-0 skews it completely out. I understand what you're saying, and like I said, there's pros and cons to every system and nothing is perfectBut that is a voter's opinion and it counts exactly the same as all others, even if you completely disagree with it. At least now you can see who voted against the norm, and talk about it. So it is adding way more information than before anyway.
Someone finally broke it then now I can rest easy with a proper lossharms is leading 15-14
That's true, but trust me man, in close games such as this one 'random' vote can break the tie. Or take it to a tie when you are leading. That would be equally hard to take and all you can see is a random username whose never commented or anything. Has happened to me before and that sucks equally, at the end of the day if the match is this close no matter what the system you'll be prone to 'random' people affecting it. Only if you remove it from public domain and only allow selected people to vote can you eliminate that but again that is elitist and I wouldn't support that.It doesn't exactly count the same as others when that's the vote that is now potentially deciding a game, though. 29 people could vote 1-0 both ways, but one vote at 3-0 skews it completely out. I understand what you're saying, and like I said, there's pros and cons to every system and nothing is perfect
I agree with you overall, and I know it probably sounds like sour grapes i just wouldn't want to lose a game on GD if it was otherwise tied on number of votes, especially when all other votes have it 1 goal either way. Maybe that's just me though. I don't have a "better suggestion" and think this way probably gives a slightly more accurate view of a match overall since people see it as a 1 or 2 goal game etc. and I certainly don't mean to sound like someone's vote should be ignored purely because they do see it completely differently. Maybe requiring an explanation with each vote is an option, but then you run the risk of excluding people who don't have time to post, or just post something like "have Messi, so he'd win".That's true, but trust me man, in close games such as this one 'random' vote can break the tie. Or take it to a tie when you are leading. That would be equally hard to take and all you can see is a random username whose never commented or anything. Has happened to me before and that sucks equally, at the end of the day if the match is this close no matter what the system you'll be prone to 'random' people affecting it. Only if you remove it from public domain and only allow selected people to vote can you eliminate that but again that is elitist and I wouldn't support that.
Glad to help thanks for having us on board. Shame we couldn't take that a little farther, because I think it turned out quite well indeed.And thanks @Skizzo @Pat_Mustard I've been experimenting with the X-mas tree for a couple of drafts unsuccessfully and you've finally made that happen here. Great teaming up with you both!
Yeah it was discussed at length for a while, whether someone big and physical would be a better foil, but then the criticism would have included saying that a "big guy" wouldn't link very well with the other attackers, as is standard draft fare. Swings and roundabouts. Guess we'll never knowI wonder if you lot had gotten Kocsis in there instead of Etoo, would that have swung it. I understood your rationale for getting Etoo but think many would have seen the Hungarian as more difficult to deal for Rio and company.
Good game @harms
Few tweaks in there and you can add to your stellar attack. Hopefully you still have it in you to discuss your boys for at least another round
Thanks, guys! Good game. I was surprised that no one here loves Bisquit Hopefully I'll take one or two players from your team going forwardGreat game @harms Your attack is really unstoppable! With reinforcements on the way, you'd be my favourite to win this. All the best for future rounds!
Get Rijkaard into that midfield and suddenly your whole front 6 looks a hell of a lot more imposing. Even more so than a team with Pele, Rummenigge, Falcao and Netzer already doesThanks, guys! Good game. I was surprised that no one here loves Bisquit Hopefully I'll take one or two players from your team going forward
Poll closed 40 minutes ago.@coolredwine @Berbaclass @The Law of Denis @Fortitude @NinjaFletch
Don't let this be decided on goal difference please, kthanks
We're coming up to stoppage time