Boeing in trouble again

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I'm clearly assuming it is related to it here (and who knows, maybe it had little to do with it).but being a whistleblower in those situations must be a grueling experience. I can only imagine how his life might have been made a living hell with people distancing themselves from him etc.
I think it's also the pressure corporations will place upon you to either cease and desist or cease to exist etc. Either way the problem goes away.
 

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With this level of shit, Boeing might well just shut down their entire business because the whole situation is totally unacceptable.

Loathed the quote the Mail but yet another incident. Could be a bit of the Streisand affect but the company is under huge pressure to stop chasing ATH share prices and actually focus on building shit.
 

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How people want to try and absolve Boeing of wrongdoing here is absolutely shocking.

 

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That's on Alaska Airlines, Boeing might have made a shit plane but the airline was the one that decided to keep using it
To be fair, if the issue originated in a Boeing factory it's on both. Boeing for having shit processes and allowing it out of the door, plus Alaska Airlines for still using it when they thought something might be wrong.
 

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Loathed the quote the Mail but yet another incident. Could be a bit of the Streisand affect but the company is under huge pressure to stop chasing ATH share prices and actually focus on building shit.
This is the kind of shit you're going to get when media get the bit between their teeth. The 777 has had 9 reportable incidents this year. Sounds a lot, but the relatively new and as yet spotless A350 has had 3. The A320 has had 9 this month alone. The 777 has been flying safely for nearly 30 years.

Looking at the entry for that incident it was a hydraulic fluid leak. The 777 has 3 hydraulic systems for redundancy.
 

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This is the kind of shit you're going to get when media get the bit between their teeth. The 777 has had 9 reportable incidents this year. Sounds a lot, but the relatively new and as yet spotless A350 has had 3. The A320 has had 9 this month alone. The 777 has been flying safely for nearly 30 years.

Looking at the entry for that incident it was a hydraulic fluid leak. The 777 has 3 hydraulic systems for redundancy.
There's roughly 2000 777s flying around the world and nigh on 12k a320s.
 

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There's roughly 2000 777s flying around the world and nigh on 12k a320s.
And about 500 A350s.

Point is there's feck all wrong with the 777, the A320, the A350, or the 737NG. It's the 737MAX thats dodgy.
 

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And about 500 A350s.

Point is there's feck all wrong with the 777, the A320, the A350, or the 737NG. It's the 737MAX thats dodgy.
Well just wanted to point that out if we're going to count incidents. The worry is that it's boeing's ability to produce safe planes efficiently that is in question, not just the max series. The latest issues haven't been design issues, they were production problems.

Do agree that that means nothing about planes built 12-15 years ago.
 

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Well just wanted to point that out if we're going to count incidents. The worry is that it's boeing's ability to produce safe planes efficiently that is in question, not just the max series. The latest issues haven't been design issues, they were production problems.

Do agree that that means nothing about planes built 12-15 years ago.
The media don't make that differential though, in a lot of cases they're just scaremongering

You are indeed correct that the majority of the Boeing problems are production issues brought about by mostly management incompetence
 

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The MBA's caused too much damage and made a total culture shift. It's going to take many years to shift the culture back to safety and quality first.

In a company so big and riddled with holes throughout the whole management Boeing will be struggling for many years to come.

We are 5 years passed the Max disasters and Boeing is no better off still.
 

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Boeing as a whole can fold before this level of consistent technical ineptitude. How in the world can they carry on like that?
 

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Don't think that's a Boeing problem. The plane was 9 years old, this sounds more like a maintenance issue, not a production issue.
Yeah, it's not. It's a maintenance issue. BA had the exact same thing happen a few years ago on an A320 because somebody forgot to close the latches.

Willing to bet this aircraft had just come out of maintenance.
 

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That's someone fired.
Unlikely. Very, very hard to get fired in aviation for something like this. Nobody got fired for the aforementioned BA incident but Airbus did resdesign the cowling so it couldn't happen again.
 

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Unlikely. Very, very hard to get fired in aviation for something like this. Nobody got fired for the aforementioned BA incident but Airbus did resdesign the cowling so it couldn't happen again.
Yes, it's simply a fact that if a single person can mess such a thing up alone, than the process was shit and has to be changed. Usually everything is at least double checked and both maintenance and also Boeing's recent production problems often occured when processes are messed up and missing those double checks. Fixing those is usually more important than firing someone.

Making mistakes is natural (even for machines things can go wrong, which is why I don't say it's human). In such critical environments you just have to make sure to detect errors before they cause actual harm.