My thinking too. I think he's a very good young player with bags of potential but his attitude is questionable.
Bouhafsi: Martial wants to leave United
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Well as long as there is no clear and functional attacking system of play, our attacking signing will be very hit or miss. Even when they work, theyll be somewhat inconsistent and rely on moments of brilliance on their own to have these good games, and nobody can do that every game. The way we play, we rely on mistakes from the opposition or moments of magic to create something. Basically purely because of the player, and not the system in place. So yeah.... no matter who we sign unless they are THAT good, theyll be "meh".
Why would Mourinho deliberately push Martial out if there was no just cause?
Never mind, it’s not all doom and gloom. We’ll fight tooth and nail and sign up Fellaini to a number new deal!
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Some of these comments about him being weak mentally, lazy, cowardly etc are a bit ridiculous tbh. He is 22 years old.
Other than Lukaku, which of our forwards deserve more playing time than Martial?
All of this Martial FC and "oh I guess we're doomed" talk is childish. It's perfectly reasonable to be upset that one of our young talents want to leave - United is supposed to be a club that are patient and nurturing, we're supposed to give youth a chance, etc. I always want to see great young talents come here and flourish, not all of them are Mbappe ready to tear it up from day one at 20. Fergie showed huge faith in our youth and persisted with guys like Fletcher, that level of belief from your manager does wonders. I don't blame him or Rashford for being a bit salty post January - not saying they should up and leave, but it's normal for them to be disappointed and wondering why others get far more leeway than is fair.
I want Lukaku and Sanchez to be stars here (and believe Lukaku will definitely be a good player for us in the long run) but they've been given game after game despite droughts, whilst the two youngsters are seemingly dropped if they don't score - it's bound to mess with your head.
Rashford and Martial and their development together is one of the only things that have been somewhat exciting to see and think about these past few years with all of the dull football. This sort of thing doesn't give me any faith that we'll see Chong or Gomes, etc make it here.
I want Lukaku and Sanchez to be stars here (and believe Lukaku will definitely be a good player for us in the long run) but they've been given game after game despite droughts, whilst the two youngsters are seemingly dropped if they don't score - it's bound to mess with your head.
Rashford and Martial and their development together is one of the only things that have been somewhat exciting to see and think about these past few years with all of the dull football. This sort of thing doesn't give me any faith that we'll see Chong or Gomes, etc make it here.
Good. Had no bollocks to fight for his place. Just a French Januzaj
He's played as many minutes in the last 2 seasons, as he did in his first season here. Surely nobody that's anywhere near enough?
Potential is simply that. Until he does it on the pitch, it's a meaningless word. How long do you wait for the potential to become a reality? He's stagnated with us, it's quite obvious.
Yes. I genuinely believe he'll be a world-beater under a manager who has faith in him.
Why do people say he's been treated or handled bad?
He's had his chances, been inconsistent and underperformed.
Sanchez is a better player and i rather Rashford gets minutes than Martial.
I rather see a local lad who cam through the academy gets the minutes, and the difference between Rashford and Martial isn't as big as many on here thinks. Also a bigger chance he stays loyal to the club if we don't do well.
Plus i care about us developing local and English players.
He's had his chances, been inconsistent and underperformed.
Sanchez is a better player and i rather Rashford gets minutes than Martial.
I rather see a local lad who cam through the academy gets the minutes, and the difference between Rashford and Martial isn't as big as many on here thinks. Also a bigger chance he stays loyal to the club if we don't do well.
Plus i care about us developing local and English players.
De Bruyne wanted to play...
It's not good that he wants to leave like this, so it's best for all involved that he's going. But, for all the people saying good riddance, rubbish etc. Just remember, Martial is likely going, Fellaini is still silent... Martial going and Fellaini staying? That is when I will have an extremely bitter taste in my mouth. Anyone who accepts and doesn't question that part of it, wanting rid of players like Martial, but desperate to keep the Fellaini's of the world. Nah.
Except my description of Mourinho is factual. Your description of the guy who wants to leave us isn't.
If there's any good news to this, it means that reinvestment into his replacement is a certainty, whether it's financial reinvestment in the form of a significant signing, or squad investment in the form of a promotion (ie. Chong).
Under any normal circumstances I'd agree but I don't think it beyond the realm of possibilities that things go tits up again in terms of the title and Mou goes into his full 3rd season meltdown.
At what age does one become strong mentally?
Lingard had a good run of form in the winter and people extend it over the entire season like he had a great season. Lingard is average. Most of his games are average. I actually really like him, but if he deserves to start all the time, then Martial deserved untouchable status after his first half of the season.
Personally, I don’t think he’s trained on at all since he arrived. The reasons for that have been done to death but it seems to me that we have a manager who doesn’t really rate him highly enough to make him a starter and a player who hasn’t given the manager sufficient reason to make him a starter.
A clean slate could be best for everyone.
A clean slate could be best for everyone.
That's exactly what Martial is. His previous form and ability demonstrated at a club like United is clear evidence of this.
Few 22 year olds show similar promise and ability.
My description of Mourinho is factual too.
Not really accurate is it, Fellaini's leaving for the exact same reason Martial is, neither are happy with what's been presented to them by the club
He was doing it on the pitch and then he got promptly dropped again anyway. The manager has his favourites and it's obvious that Martial isn't one of them.
You think other players are bothered? Come on. Players want money, success and playing time. If you give them that they would be happy. If not, they will leave.
Counting on that is ridiculous though. No club should function like that. Oh lets loan a player and see if we'll sack the manager soon.
Well, maybe, or maybe not. He may believe that he'd break into our first XI. But in any case there are complications with Son coming soon with compulsory military service for S.Korea … and it's not clear how - or even if - this can be resolved. So perhaps (?) Spurs might see this as an opportune moment to sell him.
Ok then. I don't. We'll see. He's talented but overrated.
This is my standing on the issue also. Martial, and his fanboys, can blame anyone they want for his fall from grace but the buck, ultimately, stops with him. Martial doesn’t help himself one bit with his ‘can’t be arsed’ attitude and it has, sadly, cost him big style at United where we have arguably the manager with the greatest winning mentality in the game at the helm. Mourinho does not suffer passengers and you need to display an incredible work ethic which matches your desire to win to get along with him. Martial, at this moment in his career, looks devoid of both.
Of course he wants to leave. He's got absolutely zero chance of breaking into our first team with this manager.
My sentiments too.
So not only did Sanchez come and stink up the place. He pushed one of, if not our most brightest young players out the door... GREAT.
No, it isn't. How does playing 'ineffectual' football result in finishing second in the league?
How should I know? I'm not Mou and I also don't believe Mou is some perfect fair individual. However, I'm going to use what I can see. And what I did see is that Sanchez got chance after chance despite being mediocre.
I'm not going to absolve any criticism of Mou just because for all we know there is something going on in training that proves Sanchez should keep playing the bulk of minutes. Fact is Sanchez was not good and yet was given chance after chance.
Agreed. He's not achieved anything yet and he thinks he should be a regular starter for Manchester United or in the World Cup with the France team? Please.
Sanchez isn't keeping Martial out of the team, Martial is keeping Martial out of the team. Knuckle down, have a good preseason, take your chances and before you know it, you're in the first team.
He may have questioned him in the past but the form Martial was in prior to Sanchez arrival would've made him think. He was on course to get around 20 goals this season.
fecking hell, in a year that our best outfield player is Lukaku, the best player potentially in the world is Salah and De Bruyne is the best player at a team that has just won the premier league with a record number of points to be sitting her saying shit like “Martial probably doesn’t try hard enough” without any doubt is fecking mental.
Talented lad, but he just can't seem to get momentum; it's really frustrating. If he goes, it would hardly be a huge blow, to be honest.
Go back to his form before the January transfer window. He had his chances and took them. He was playing very well and then Sanchez came and screwed it all up.
Got you really good. I mean, Wayne Rooney could have scored 35 goals for us if he stayed.
I am wrong?
Spot on mate.
ANd not only that, our manager is stinking up the place too so it's one stinkin story alltogheter. AmIrite?
It's Martial's choice to leave, can't say I blame him but he could have stayed if he really wanted. Let's get a good fee and get 3 or 4 more good signings in.
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