[Scandi Red]

I’m the furthest from a football data nerd, in fact I am a vocal crusader against them, but I don’t place huge significance in what has happened this season as ultimately, we will do well to finish above 17th. So the reality is, we still find ourselves in a situation of pretty much needing a white board. The team has been far from good enough, and when trying to build a team that gets to first, the parts need to be optimal. Bruno playing very well himself doesn’t, by default, make him the best profile for the version of this team needed to finish first. We’re so far off where we need to be that I don’t think it should have any significance.

Then there’s the consideration of a 31 year old player who happens to have a +£100m value, in the context of the work that needs to be done. If Bruno doesn’t leave this summer, I think he’ll probably leave next summer regardless. Selling at the right time should also be considered.

We need quality. It's really as simple as that. And Bruno is far better than any player we have. And even if we magically become wizards in the transfer market, he is probably better than the next 10 players we sign. Even from a ruthlessly pragmatic business point of view I don't think it makes much sense to sell him.

And then there's the bigger picture. He is by all accounts an excellent leader and team mate, the fans love him and he's a great example for the club. It's hard to put a price tag on this.

Lastly, the only ones capable of paying anything worth a consideration are the Saudis. If Bruno don't want to go there (which I suspect), then our only option is to try and force him out behind the scenes. If our club is this callous (which I doubt), can you imagine the damage this will do in the dressing room? Or for the club's public image?

 

[Rozay]

We need quality. It's really as simple as that. And Bruno is far better than any player we have. And even if we magically become wizards in the transfer market, he is probably better than the next 10 players we sign. Even from a ruthlessly pragmatic business point of view I don't think it makes much sense to sell him.

And then there's the bigger picture. He is by all accounts an excellent leader and team mate, the fans love him and he's a great example for the club. It's hard to put a price tag on this.

Lastly, the only ones capable of paying anything worth a consideration are the Saudis. If Bruno don't want to go there (which I suspect), then our only option is to try and force him out behind the scenes. If our club is this callous (which I doubt), can you imagine the damage this will do in the dressing room? Or for the club's public image?

It’s not really as ‘simple’ as that tbh. We need the right qualities. We need a team. We do need quality, but we also need strength, we need speed etc, and we need different things in different areas on the pitch. Which is why this team would not have simply signed Mesut Ozil and put him in the centre of midfield on the basis that he has more quality than everyone else. Which he does (did). Bruno being ‘better’ than the next 10 players we sign is subjective anyway. Being a better fit is a different question. Would you compare G/A or ‘moments if genius’ when taking a decision of whether to replace Bruno with Camavinga, for example? If Bruno was sold, looking at our formation - I think it’s common sense to presume that he will not be replaced with the same profile of player. We’d either get a proper centre midfielder, or a proper forward. The benefits of which need to be considered against just the pure quality of either player, and even then - with the money we’d have, I’d expect the player to have quality too!

As for the second paragraph, it’s not hard to put a price tag. I think it’s easy, you make it a very high one.

Thirdly, obviously if nobody meets our valuation then he won’t leave. This is a changing of conversation. Nobody is advocating forcing him out (which we couldn’t anyway). The question is what to do in the event this suitable offer does arrive.

And again, even in this utopian world where we resist all offers, how many years do you think he has left here anyway? I don’t think a team miles off where it needs to be dismisses £100m+ offers for 31 year old midfielders without consideration.

The quality of any individual player in a team that finishes 8th then 17th isn’t really relevant. It’s a condemned project that needs to be started again anyway.

 

[Scandi Red]

It’s not really as ‘simple’ as that tbh. We need the right qualities. We need a team. We do need quality, but we also need strength, we need speed etc, and we need different things in different areas on the pitch.

It's a good thing that Bruno has proven to be versatile then. He's not a specialist.

 

[redDNA]

The problem is not selling him,the problem is I dont trust us to buy adequate replacement, we might sell for 150m and use the money and do two Antony type of transfer.

Without Bruno this season,we would have been flirting with relegation

 

[Vidooq]

What if he wants to go? Why would his agents get in to conversations with Al Hilal?

If you are a football agent, you dont want to piss Al Hilal off by not accepting a meeting with them, as Bruno's agent probably has other clients that he wants to sell to Al Hilal, and they are one of the top 3 clubs in Saudi at the moment. So he took the meeting with them, and he will present their case to Bruno. He can save face, and he can politely say, My client is not currently looking to change scenery, and he thanks you for the offer. Win-win for everyone. I'm sure that it's not only Bruno being discussed in these meetings, other players for sure.

It's a bit unsettling that this is 2 years in a row now that Saudi links have popped up. Last year, right before he signed that new contract with us. But I guess his agent has to make his money and has his clients' interests at best.

 

[Hoof the ball]

What is all this Saudi stuff based on?

 

[stretford ender58]

He wont go to Saudi and he loves the club. But I do think unless INEOS show some ambition in the summer then next season could be his last here. I hope I'm wrong and dreading the thought of it even being a possibility.

But he deserves better and deserves to be winning major honours. They can't afford to feck this up.

He deserves the Europa more than anyone else but he'll want to he playing champions league football

 

[Lash]

The recruitment required for Amorim’s system is even more challenging. Any system can work of course, however, with this system we are already handicapped by needing to recruit two first XI players that don’t really exist, and also need to hope that they are in and around elite levels too.

My biggest grievance with this system is that it strips the team of the traditional ‘threat in behind’. By replacing the traditional 7 and 11 with interior players, the whole game needs to be to feet. The only player that can really be ‘released’ in behind is Patrick fecking Dorgu. He’s not going to scare teams like Rashford, Sarr, Mané, Son. I think we will have good players once the team is assembled, but we will miss what Rashford at his best gives us. I can recall so many goals Rashford has scored due to his speed in behind, and I don’t want to see us effectively replace that with Bruno.

But credit to Fernandes, he’s reached fantastic levels this season, but if you had a white board and were building a team from scratch to play this system, I don’t see that he’s a player anyone includes. As you said, similar with Mainoo. Not only those two, again - my issue is that the same applies to too many good footballers, such is the specificity of this system. A number of past and present top players wouldn’t optimally fit into this system, which is a red flag in itself IMO.

I'm not so sure, because we see with similar systems like Conte, who made Victor Moses and Marcos Alonso some of the best players in the league. I do think the more defensive security allows for a bit more leeway in players. I think in a 4-3-3, all your front 6 have to be good going forward and back for it to truly work. Maybe that's a naive view, but I think 4-3-3's get smashed to bits when they're not 100% and your back 3 formations can get away with meh performances that they don't lose.

I agree that he won't, but he stretches the pitch and creates the space for the attackers to come into. Your son's, mane's and rashford's were the threat in behind and also expected to finish it off too. I'm not sure there's too many players out there that do that. Also that does require a team to give you space in behind, which doesn't happen as often anymore, unless you willfully cede possession.

I do think your right with Bruno, it feels a bit like the England team discussion sometimes - he HAS to be in the side, but no one really comes up with an effective position for him or a balanced team and he doesn't obviously slot into this structure. He floats between 8-10, which is what a lot of good players do, but this system doesn't really allow for that for optimal performance. Fecked if I know the answer though!

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

 

[stretford ender58]

I'm not so sure, because we see with similar systems like Conte, who made Victor Moses and Marcos Alonso some of the best players in the league. I do think the more defensive security allows for a bit more leeway in players. I think in a 4-3-3, all your front 6 have to be good going forward and back for it to truly work. Maybe that's a naive view, but I think 4-3-3's get smashed to bits when they're not 100% and your back 3 formations can get away with meh performances that they don't lose.

I agree that he won't, but he stretches the pitch and creates the space for the attackers to come into. Your son's, mane's and rashford's were the threat in behind and also expected to finish it off too. I'm not sure there's too many players out there that do that. Also that does require a team to give you space in behind, which doesn't happen as often anymore, unless you willfully cede possession.

I do think your right with Bruno, it feels a bit like the England team discussion sometimes - he HAS to be in the side, but no one really comes up with an effective position for him or a balanced team and he doesn't obviously slot into this structure. He floats between 8-10, which is what a lot of good players do, but this system doesn't really allow for that for optimal performance. Fecked if I know the answer though!

My problem with Bruno is every time he is on the ball he tries getting a goal or an assist. I don't think there's another high volume risk taker like him. There's no patience or pause, so his decision making can be annoying. He's even worse than a younger De Bruyne at that. You can get away with it at club level when you're the main man as the #10 in a 4-2-3-1. With Portugal he plays as a CM and is a sideman.

I honestly don't see him replicating his club form for country until Ronaldo leaves. He'll be given the keys, so the play will go through him more. He'll get excused for the annoying parts of his playing style because he won't have a legend that fans expect him to play through when he gets on the ball. That will result in full freedom Bruno which should help his performances at the international stage.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

Less of a clamour to take him off free kicks these days.

 

[Red Royal]

Record assist maker in the Europa league! Let's hope he gets a few more in a few weeks.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Ridiculous numbers.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

19 goals and 19 assists this season.

For a team that has mostly been a total and utter shambles.

What a player he is.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

19 goals and 19 assists this season.

For a team that has mostly been a total and utter shambles.

What a player he is.

20 and 20 would be such nice round numbers. Definitely possible.

 

[LeonDion]

Not great. Where would we be without him?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Not great. Where would we be without him?

For once, I agree with you. Some very sloppy passes and lost the ball a few times carelessly. Definitely better when he dropped back into midfield.

Still our only world class player, obviously (with Amad and Yoro coming up the rails)

 

[Bastian]

20 and 20 would be such nice round numbers. Definitely possible.

We've got four matches left to play. I assume he plays at least in three of those. He can go further.

 

[bosnian_red]

I'd say he's the best midfielder in the league with Rodri out injured, taking into account advanced playmakers, deep playmakers or ball winning midfielders. De Bruyne has declined, Odegaard isn't better than Bruno (though is class himself)... Probably between Bruno and Palmer though I'd say Palmer is more of an attacker with Bruno more a midfielder now.

Love the guy in midfield too, just so good at it and he's really expanded his game.

 

[LeonDion]

For once, I agree with you. Some very sloppy passes and lost the ball a few times carelessly. Definitely better when he dropped back into midfield.

Still our only world class player, obviously (with Amad and Yoro coming up the rails)

Was a bit quiet, I’m (obviously) not of opinion that he is our only good player. I think this is falsehood and detracts from others who are also important…however given how great he has been this year it is good to see that he can have off night and we win 4-1.

 

[jem]

Very disappointing today - there was that moment after the Hojlund miss where he got the ball in our half and just hoisted a completely speculative shot towards their goal, in some weird, vain attempt at catching their keeper out. It came nowhere close.

I like Bruno and think he's been fantastic this year, but if we are offered 120k from Saudi, we should take it. Through no fault of his own, Bruno likely doesn't have a part to play in our moving back to the top. We're at least 3 years away (if we're being generous) and I honestly think we'd be better to take our medicine now and rebuild. That money for Bruno could buy you a top LB (Kerkez for example) as well as an attacker (who that would be, I'm not sure, but then it's not really job to know that.)

 

[Pughnichi]

Just such an over reliance on him. The players look to him at every opportunity.

There’s was at least 3 occasions when the cross could have gone in but instead they sent it backwards to Bruno.

He’s the best player in the squad but sometimes others need to step up and take responsibility. Passing it on to Bruno all the time is a detriment to the team.

Much like when a teams best player leaves, there is often an improvement. Happened all them years back after Everton lost Rooney they started climbing the table. And more recently look how good PSG have been despite Mbappe moving on

 

[aeh1991]

Juat watched his interview with Owen Hargreaves and he doesn't sound like a player who'd leave us to move to Saudi anytime soon.

 

[bosnian_red]

My captain

 

[Irwin99]

On 98 goals for United. I’d be really happy for him if we won the Europa League and he reached a hundred goals for United this season.

 

[LeonDion]

My captain

Is a bit unfair… if Amad hadn’t got injured he was POTY at the time. Also Bruno only caught form since 2025. I’d be happy if he plays great for full season. Since Amad has been back he’s again been great. So while Bruno has had great three/four months and has been refreshing, Amad has been more consistent yet injured.

 

[Pickle85]

Is a bit unfair… if Amad hadn’t got injured he was POTY at the time. Also Bruno only caught form since 2025. I’d be happy if he plays great for full season. Since Amad has been back he’s again been great. So while Bruno has had great three/four months and has been refreshing, Amad has been more consistent yet injured.

If my aunt had bollocks she'd be my uncle.

 

[LeonDion]

If my aunt had bollocks she'd be my uncle.

Hardly a point.

You thinks this is fair comment….

Hopefully next season Amad will step up, start scoring goals, start doing assists, start running backwards and tackling

 

[romufc]

Is a bit unfair… if Amad hadn’t got injured he was POTY at the time. Also Bruno only caught form since 2025. I’d be happy if he plays great for full season. Since Amad has been back he’s again been great. So while Bruno has had great three/four months and has been refreshing, Amad has been more consistent yet injured.

A bit rich saying Bruno has been good for 3/4 months whilst Amad has had 2/3 months of being good.

I like Amad but before RVN he was not in the team for first 3 months and has been injured for 2 months.

 

[romufc]

Hopefully next season Amad will step up, start scoring goals, start doing assists, start running backwards and tackling

Stop using one line of the quote and trying to change the narrative...

"And I said that I hope next year I am not even involved in the name – and do the same season as I did this year, and not be involved in the name of winning that trophy"

"Because that will mean you step up, Amad will step up, Garnacho will step up, Rasmus will step up... if they start scoring goals, start doing assists, start running backwards and tackling, they will be the ones having attention and not me, and I will be the most happy person in the world."

This is what he said... he is saying he wants to have his 30+ GA but wants the others to have 30+ GA too.... none of them have that this season. So yes, I agree with his comment.

I am sure every United fan who wants the club to do well would agree with it too.

 

[LeonDion]

A bit rich saying Bruno has been good for 3/4 months whilst Amad has had 2/3 months of being good.

I like Amad but before RVN he was not in the team for first 3 months and has been injured for 2 months.

How was he not in team for first 3 months? First half of season he started 12 of 19 prem games and featured in 17 of 19. To that point he had 6 goals and 7 assist. Bruno at that point had started 18 and had 4 goals (2 pens) and 5 assists.

Overall this season…

Amad average g+a every 130.89 mins
Bruno average g+a every 122.92 min….Exc penalties it’s every 150 mins.

Stop using one line of the quote and trying to change the narrative...

"And I said that I hope next year I am not even involved in the name – and do the same season as I did this year, and not be involved in the name of winning that trophy"

"Because that will mean you step up, Amad will step up, Garnacho will step up, Rasmus will step up... if they start scoring goals, start doing assists, start running backwards and tackling, they will be the ones having attention and not me, and I will be the most happy person in the world."

This is what he said... he is saying he wants to have his 30+ GA but wants the others to have 30+ GA too.... none of them have that this season. So yes, I agree with his comment.

I am sure every United fan who wants the club to do well would agree with it too.

Point being it is unfair to include Amad in this. Which he literally has and made it seem like it is only him to have played well and contribute, to the point where it is actually funny.

The only reason Bruno has no competition is Amad injury. Amad has done all of that and more. In addition season in league was already disastrous when Bruno’s form put him in position to win POTY.

 

[cpresc]

My problem with Bruno is every time he is on the ball he tries getting a goal or an assist. I don't think there's another high volume risk taker like him. There's no patience or pause, so his decision making can be annoying. He's even worse than a younger De Bruyne at that. You can get away with it at club level when you're the main man as the #10 in a 4-2-3-1. With Portugal he plays as a CM and is a sideman.

I honestly don't see him replicating his club form for country until Ronaldo leaves. He'll be given the keys, so the play will go through him more. He'll get excused for the annoying parts of his playing style because he won't have a legend that fans expect him to play through when he gets on the ball. That will result in full freedom Bruno which should help his performances at the international stage.

Damn these goals and assists ruining our possession game....

 

[Pickle85]

How was he not in team for first 3 months? First half of season he started 12 of 19 prem games and featured in 17 of 19. To that point he had 6 goals and 7 assist. Bruno at that point had started 18 and had 4 goals (2 pens) and 5 assists.

Overall this season…

Amad average g+a every 130.89 mins
Bruno average g+a every 122.92 min….Exc penalties it’s every 150 mins.

Point being it is unfair to include Amad in this. Which he literally has and made it seem like it is only him to have played well and contribute, to the point where it is actually funny.

The only reason Bruno has no competition is Amad injury. Amad has done all of that and more. In addition season in league was already disastrous when Bruno’s form put him in position to win POTY.

Why are you excluding penalties? Do they not count as goals then?

 

[romufc]

How was he not in team for first 3 months? First half of season he started 12 of 19 prem games and featured in 17 of 19. To that point he had 6 goals and 7 assist. Bruno at that point had started 18 and had 4 goals (2 pens) and 5 assists.

Overall this season…

Amad average g+a every 130.89 mins
Bruno average g+a every 122.92 min….Exc penalties it’s every 150 mins.

Point being it is unfair to include Amad in this. Which he literally has and made it seem like it is only him to have played well and contribute, to the point where it is actually funny.

The only reason Bruno has no competition is Amad injury. Amad has done all of that and more. In addition season in league was already disastrous when Bruno’s form put him in position to win POTY.

No... its not the only reason he will get POTY... the player of the year gets it because a player is fit... that is part of an attribute.

You clearly dont know Bruno if you are mimplying he makes it about himself when on numerous times, he has given a penalty away for players that need confidence rather than his own stats.

When Amad has a full season... lets see his stats.. also I like Amad but to say that Bruno has been robbed this season is silly.

He has played games in DM as well not just a CAM.

 

[LeonDion]

No... its not the only reason he will get POTY... the player of the year gets it because a player is fit... that is part of an attribute.

You clearly dont know Bruno if you are mimplying he makes it about himself when on numerous times, he has given a penalty away for players that need confidence rather than his own stats.

When Amad has a full season... lets see his stats.. also I like Amad but to say that Bruno has been robbed this season is silly.

He has played games in DM as well not just a CAM.

So defensive, like most of Bruno cult.

Point is that HE included Amad, and he himself is rather pleased with himself despite the season we have had. Hes saying next season everyone else needs a season like his. But if all players only start to play really well from Feb then we will only have great chance of winning cups.

 

[LeonDion]

Why are you excluding penalties? Do they not count as goals then?

To compare apples with apples. Thought it would be self explain.

 

[Pickle85]

To compare apples with apples. Thought it would be self explain.

But penalties are goals, and we're comparing goal tallies. To remove them is actually to compare apples and oranges. Plus being absolutely lethal and ice cool under pressure from the spot is a really important tool that Bruno brings to the side. He's scored some very important high pressure penalties, so removing them as a point of comparison makes no sense. You're doing it because you want the comparison to be a little more even than it would otherwise.

 

[Pickle85]

So defensive, like most of Bruno cult.

Point is that HE included Amad, and he himself is rather pleased with himself despite the season we have had. Hes saying next season everyone else needs a season like his. But if all players only start to play really well from Feb then we will only have great chance of winning cups.

So are you saying that he shouldn't be pleased with the individual season that he's had? He's having one of the best of his career (despite whatever rubbish you keep recycling about only starting to play well from Feb). He mentioned Amad as Amad is obviously an important player for us in the future. Name checking him is actually a compliment, as I read it, not an insult.

 

[romufc]

So defensive, like most of Bruno cult.

Point is that HE included Amad, and he himself is rather pleased with himself despite the season we have had. Hes saying next season everyone else needs a season like his. But if all players only start to play really well from Feb then we will only have great chance of winning cups.

No that is not what he is saying.... Clearly you will go to any lengths to hate on Bruno.

I dont understand how you have made that quote to make it look like he is self centred and only cares about himself.

The facts are Bruno has 38 GA and no one else has come close. Bruno has played almost 50% more minutes than Amad... do you realise that?

He is saying... he would rather others have the same numbers as him and win POTY because that would mean the team is doing well.

Surely, as Manutd fans that is what you would want? Not players injured for half the season?

 

[Posh Red]

Imagine only starting the season in February and getting forty goals involvements. What a player!