A 150 million transfer with upfront payment, I will do this deal in a instant. We could buy 3-4 players with the transfer alone.
Bruno Fernandes Out? | Staying at Man United
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Bruno jumping ship would be a bad omen. Personally I think he signed a new contract and is going to see it through.
Agreed.
But that means we'd better spend that money well throughout the team, sort of like how Liverpool did with Coutinho.
100m pounds and they can have gim.
Agree.
We could get in one summer window.
Cunha
A New CF
Mbeumo
Thats a new look attack.
New CM or 2
Maybe another new CB
New GK.
People say 6/7 new players is unrealistic in one window but with a a huge fee for Bruno. The squad rebuild will be accelerated.
It is almost completely unlikely that he will play at a decent level until he is 40 years old. Very few football players do and even Ronaldo was finished in PL at 36 (?), and it's not even a given that Bruno will want to continue for so long. Kroos, who was still a top class player, retired at 34 because he wanted to spend more time with his family. Many other examples out there. SJR and Ineos are very unlikely to reject a £100m bid because they "think" he won't decline. They run a business, and whether we like it or not, money and transfer departures are important and will dictate how much we can spend in transfer windows in the future.
Bruno is our best player and I hope we don't sell him, but it would be hard to reject a £100m offer. He is 31 shortly after the season begins, and it is impossible to predict whether he will continue like Modric, or if he will go down the Rooney route. For every Modric, there are 10 Özil's, Kanté´s, Eriksen's et cetera. If we're going to go by probability, then there is a much bigger chance that Bruno will regress significantly within two-three years than remaining at this level, which is where we need him to be if we're serious about becoming a top club again.
I do not think selling a soon-to-be 31 year old for £100m is a lack of proper compensation. If anything, it has never happened in the history of football, that a buying club has spent that amount of money on a player of that age. The closest is Harry Kane, and that was £80m. Teams sell their best players now and then, it doesn't mean they demand an unrealistic amount of money for them. If Bruno was 25-26, then no way, but he is almost 31. It is time to be realistic, and we can not live in the fear of not properly replacing him. What if he regresses like Rooney in a year, and we missed out on £100m to replace him? Then we'll have to wait another two summers to buy replacements for him because we don't have the money.
Problem is as soon as you accept a big offer for Bruno the value of everyone you try to buy without a release clause goes up by a lot.
I'd want absolute feck you money for him, easily £200m+ before I'd even entertain it.
I'd want absolute feck you money for him, easily £200m+ before I'd even entertain it.
£300m plus they pay for our new stadium plus they have an obligation to buy any player of our choosing for the next 10 years, minimum £80m for each.
Hes the only reason we are not relegated this season
Highly unlikely. Rooney didn't take care of his body in the same way Bruno does. He loved a drink and would sometimes turn up to preseason overweight, whereas Bruno is a fitness freak.
It's far more likely that Bruno will maintain these levels for years to come, and Saudi will still be there waiting to chuck a load of money at him again in the future.
He is a good player but Amorim needs funds. He has to get his own players and if he believes that with the money we might get for Bruno, Garnacho, Mainoo or whoever he will find players who can execute what he wants then please give him the funds.
Rooney (legend, world class at his best, all the superlatives yada yada...) also regressed slowly and painfully. It could be spotted from a mile away. We saw the first signs in 2013 (although he was still a good player), but he would stay for another 4 (!) years. The last 2-3 years were painful to watch.
Yeah I get what you mean. 40 was probably a bit of a stretch like but given his injury record or lack of, I'd assume he'll keep himself in top condition for years but I suppose it only takes 1 bad injury to someone over 30 and that changes everything. Wishful thinking maybe cause I'd hate to see where we would have been this year without him.
With the way INEOS are I could see them accepting anything upwards of 70mil tbh if an actual bid materialised. If we can secure Cunha with the money we already have available then they could see him as the Bruno replacement and the funds we received for him plus any other sales would give Amorim plenty of options to get in the correct players he needs.
Maybe I'm just not trusting of our club after past mistakes to do the right thing. If there's a manager that I'd want to be involved in the rebuild of the team though, it's Ruben.
I think Ineos would bite someone's hand off for much less than £100m.
Berrada wants to win the PL in 2028, that isn;t happening without a colossal amount of money being spent and, sadly, I think that means Mainoo, Garnacho and Bruno are three cash cows waiting for the highest bidder. The level we could spend if we sold each of those for £50m (as a random example) would be insane when you factor in a lot of bigger wages coming off the books and other sales this summer.
I would rather he stayed as I think we need some seniority and him and Ugarte I like a pair, plus he's really the heartbeat of the team, but I think Ineos will believe ever player is replaceable and have values for everyone in the squad now.
Berrada wants to win the PL in 2028, that isn;t happening without a colossal amount of money being spent and, sadly, I think that means Mainoo, Garnacho and Bruno are three cash cows waiting for the highest bidder. The level we could spend if we sold each of those for £50m (as a random example) would be insane when you factor in a lot of bigger wages coming off the books and other sales this summer.
I would rather he stayed as I think we need some seniority and him and Ugarte I like a pair, plus he's really the heartbeat of the team, but I think Ineos will believe ever player is replaceable and have values for everyone in the squad now.
Whats 100m going to buy in the market for the rebuild? When Bruno goes, he takes away 15-20 goals and similar number of assists. How are we going to replace that with 100m?
Anything less than 150m is not even worth considering.
Anyone saying 100 million is off their heads.
CL football is worth that. Bruno is far more important to us. Coutinho went for what, 140 million? Bruno is more important to us than he was to Pool at that point. And he's just signed a new deal last year. So that money at least would be warranted.
Having said all that, I don't think we would sell regardless and I also can't see him wanting to go there or push for a move to Saudi at this point. I'd be devastated if he left but I still don't he goes.
CL football is worth that. Bruno is far more important to us. Coutinho went for what, 140 million? Bruno is more important to us than he was to Pool at that point. And he's just signed a new deal last year. So that money at least would be warranted.
Having said all that, I don't think we would sell regardless and I also can't see him wanting to go there or push for a move to Saudi at this point. I'd be devastated if he left but I still don't he goes.
This forum has lost it when it comes to fees, as if £100m isn't insane money.
As for your question, given the PSR calculation, wouldn't that be £100m pure profit and therefore it would free up like 3 x if we pushed it to the max.
If they offered crazy money, 100 million+ it’s a no brainer for me.
The problem is not selling him,the problem is I dont trust us to buy adequate replacement, we might sell for 150m and use the money and do two Antony type of transfer.
Without Bruno this season,we would have been flirting with relegation
Without Bruno this season,we would have been flirting with relegation
I wonder if he is even interested. He has persisted with a sub-par Man Utd side for years now, so a Saudi move to cash in would be a very strange turn. He is also still very relevant for the national team, so playing in a joke league doesn't really help him there.
From our point of view, it could be good business if the transfer fee is right. He'll be 31, and we've run him into the ground for several seasons in a row.
From our point of view, it could be good business if the transfer fee is right. He'll be 31, and we've run him into the ground for several seasons in a row.
I'd sell him in a heartbeat for the right fee but no chance on earth is he joining Al-Hilal imo.
£100m would put him as the top 10 most expensive transfers of all time. It is not pennies. Coutinho was of similar importance to Liverpool, and the difference is that he was 25, not close to 31. For some reason, people are acting like £100m is nothing. It is hundred million quid in pure profit.
Do you really think this manager has do done enough to allow him to sell our best player & two of our great talents?
Can't afford to sell him. Without him, we're not in the semis of Europa and we're probably in the mire of a genuine relegation battle.
Oh we’d have 150 in the bank, but how much would replacing Bruno & the talents of Garna & Mainoo cost?
We are in a dire and desperate financial situation. No one in Europe is willing to pay 120 million pounds for a 31 year old. If Al Hilal is willing to offer that kind of money, Man Utd will need to accept that offer.
Man Utd has sold much better players in their prime like Ronaldo and Beckham for a much smaller fee. Bruno has had a great season but he's 31 and his market value is only going to decrease in the following years.
It's absolutely nowt in this scenario. I'm not having that he could be replaced for 100 million. No chance. Never mind the goals, assists, chance creations, fecking worth ethic he brings. His literal presence cannot be replaced. Throw all of that together, no, 100 millions wouldn't cut it. His age is irrelevant, look at his fitness and the number of games he plays. His age doesn't come into it for now. Right now, this summer, he cannot be replaced for that amount.
Selling Bruno for 110 Mill+ should be a no-brainer. 31 year old , luxury player on high wages would give us new 2-4 starters for Amorim. Perfect start for a rebuild.
That's nonsense but aye, just sell the luxury player he is literally our biggest threat and has one of this highest chance creation outputs in Europe for the last 5 years.
So, we've finally agreed that Bruno isn't the problem and is, actually, amazing and the only good player we have. Great.
But you can have him for just about enough to buy 2 fairly average players?
This place is crazy.
But you can have him for just about enough to buy 2 fairly average players?
This place is crazy.
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The biggest Saudi league transfers so far have been Neymar, Duran and Moussa Diaby for £77m, £65M and £51m respectively so I don't seen an enormous transfer fee on the cards.
The problem we have is that the team relies too much on Bruno, so I think we need to move away from that and find a new system that works without him sooner rather than later.
We aren't going to be challenging for leagues and Champions Leagues any time soon, so it doesn't really make sense to keep him around whilst we are in a rebuilding phase as he will be too old by the time we are hopefully ready to start challenging again.
The problem we have is that the team relies too much on Bruno, so I think we need to move away from that and find a new system that works without him sooner rather than later.
We aren't going to be challenging for leagues and Champions Leagues any time soon, so it doesn't really make sense to keep him around whilst we are in a rebuilding phase as he will be too old by the time we are hopefully ready to start challenging again.
Same. Easy rejection
I really don't get posters who would so readily accept £100m+ and genuinely think "yeah that sorts us right out". It's just blind faith right? Because there are literally no data points or rational perspectives to suggest we'd replace what Bruno currently provides (or use any of that money) effectively.
The idea that we couldn't buy an adequate replacement for Bruno for less than £100m is somewhat undermined by the fact that we brought Bruno himself for £47m plus add-ons.
Bruno is an excellent player, but the world is full of excellent and potentially excellent players. And while he has contributed a lot in terms of goals/assists this season, "a lot" in this context puts him 57th for goals and assists across Europe's Big 5 Leagues.
Within our own league this season players like Bowen, Kluivert, Cunha, Luis Diaz, Murphy, Mbeumo and Palmer have also produced as much or more goals & assist, all of whom also cost their own clubs significantly less than £100m.
The issue isn't replacing a player like Bruno with that kind of money, it's trusting our recruitment team to replace Bruno with that kind of money.
Bruno is an excellent player, but the world is full of excellent and potentially excellent players. And while he has contributed a lot in terms of goals/assists this season, "a lot" in this context puts him 57th for goals and assists across Europe's Big 5 Leagues.
Within our own league this season players like Bowen, Kluivert, Cunha, Luis Diaz, Murphy, Mbeumo and Palmer have also produced as much or more goals & assist, all of whom also cost their own clubs significantly less than £100m.
The issue isn't replacing a player like Bruno with that kind of money, it's trusting our recruitment team to replace Bruno with that kind of money.
You're looking at it from a sentimental perspective only. His age is entirely relevant. He is almost 31. In my dreams, he will play like this for another 5 years, but if we're going to look at it historically and realistically, then he will play at this level for around two more years before regressing. The question is how much, but you can't expect someone who works as hard as Bruno to stay at this level for 4-5 years. It is not fair on him. Mané was a top professional who ate right, took care of his body, provided offensive numbers and exceptional work rate at the age of 30. Two years later he is playing in Saudi-Arabia, a shadow of his former self, after having failed at Bayern.
And it isn't about replacing him like for like. What if we could get Alexander Isak for that money (or slightly more), a world class striker that guarantees 20+ goals in the league alone? A world class striker at the age of 25, not even yet in his prime that we have been dreaming of since van Persie. Maybe he won't come to us, maybe he will. We are United, and it shouldn't come as a surprise that top players would want to join us.
Yes, but he's an outlier. How many players did we sign post Fergie? 50? 60? None of the others come even close to Bruno.
Yes, we have been particularly poor in the transfer market. But even clubs like Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool would be delighted to sign a player like Bruno at the age of 25. He'd be their best signing for many years.
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That is the question but, as of now, I think you can easily upgrade on any of our forward line (even Amad) without too much outlay. I love Mainoo, but I think in this system he will get side-lined, he can't play the CM role and so he's fighting for a 10 spot against players who are much more of a direct goal threat. With him, are you replacing a first teamer? Only Bruno is difficult and then it's a question of upgrading the collective versus one very good player i.e. for that combined money you could buy Cunha, Openda, Delap, Luiz, Ederson, Mateus Fernandes, Grimaldo and have money left over. You could completely reshape the team.
I hope this doesn't happen and Amorim gets a bit more flexibility in his approach as I think a midfield three including Bruno in a deeper role and Mainoo as more of an attacking 8 is very exciting. Garnacho as a traditional LW is also a better proposition for me but the reality is we need cash and the two younger guys aren't an ideal match for the formation.
Selling him would be utter, utter madness. Simply no. Anyone suggesting otherwise is mental. Genuinely mental.
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