Bruno Fernandes Out? | Al Hilal ready to offer 80m

If Bruno is who a lot of you think he is he would be Real Madrid’s main target this summer. PSG, Barcelona have upgraded their central options in the last year too and he wasn’t an option, at least not a serious option.

My point is players that play at such a high level will usually be poached by the better teams especially if the team is in turmoil like ours.

Suarez, Bale, Fabregas, Hazard, Coutinho, Kane were out of this league to bigger or equal European clubs. Bruno isn’t still here because of a deep sense of loyalty, he’s here because the top teams don’t believe he’s the answer.

So this tells me that while Bruno is a very good player he’s not some superstar that would break our club if he left. Teams have lost better players, cashed in and survived so why can’t we.

It’s a funny one this due to the “club in turmoil” stuff.
We won the FA Cup last year, the season before we finished 3rd and won the League Cup.
It’s only this year we’re a club in genuine “turmoil” and we may well win the Europa League and qualify for the Champions League.

We might have 3 trophies in 3 years, Arsenal have 0 in 5.

So it’s extremely hard to compare us to any other big club “in turmoil” to see what happens to their players and if what you say rings true.

I do know Saka is superb, and despite 0 trophies in 5 years, no-one apparently wants him, so maybe he’s not that good after all.

As for Bale, he was 24 when he arrived at Madrid, Suarez was 27, Coutinho 26, Fabregas a baby… only Kane is a valid comparison and he told Spurs he was off, with just a year left on his deal.

Hazard if anything is a cautionary tale for the type of massive money required for Bruno, Hazard turned 29 the season he joined Madrid.
 
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This is some next level Bruno-hater spin. No one came in for him, so he must be shit. I'll use this whenever no one comes in for Saka, KdB, Salah etc. They must be shit too.
Nobody in for Yamal yet... Barca need to cash in asap.
 
This is some next level Bruno-hater spin. No one came in for him, so he must be shit. I'll use this whenever no one comes in for Saka, KdB, Salah etc. They must be shit too.
I believe I said he was a very good player, not sure when that changed meaning to shit.

Saka is still 23 and in a team that's appeared to be improving year on year. If he keeps it up and Arsenal don't achieve anything, he'll be out of there soon enough unless he rejects any offers.

It’s a funny one this due to the “club in turmoil” stuff.
We won the FA Cup last year, the season before we finished 3rd and won the League Cup.
It’s only this year we’re a club in genuine “turmoil” and we may well win the Europa League and qualify for the Champions League.

We might have 3 trophies in 3 years, Arsenal have 0 in 5.

So it’s extremely hard to compare us to any other big club “in turmoil” to see what happens to their players and if what you say rings true.

I do know Saka is superb, and despite 0 trophies in 5 years, no-one apparently wants him, so maybe he’s not that good after all.

As for Bale, he was 24 when he arrived at Madrid, Suarez was 27, Coutinho 26, Fabregas a baby… only Kane is a valid comparison and he told Spurs he was off, with just a year left on his deal.

Hazard if anything is a cautionary tale for the type of massive money required for Bruno, Hazard turned 29 the season he joined Madrid.
Let's be real with ourselves here. The last four years have been dreadful with only one year in there being acceptable. Trophies are nice but if they aren't the PL or CL there's only so much importance you can give to that. Teams like Arsenal might fall short but they aren't too far off course from where they wanted to be at the end of the season, it's still disappointing but it's relative. Nobody thought we'd finish 8th last season and I'm absolutely sure most fans didn't expect us to be close to relegation this season. I can't think of another way of describing it than turmoil.

Bruno has been here for the last 5/6 seasons no? If money was the issue he could run his contract down and move like Trent, Rudiger, Kane and many others have done.

All I'm saying is great players that could be difference makers don't tend to stay at underperforming or smaller clubs long, the elite teams eventually buy them.
 
If Bruno is who a lot of you think he is he would be Real Madrid’s main target this summer. PSG, Barcelona have upgraded their central options in the last year too and he wasn’t an option, at least not a serious option.

My point is players that play at such a high level will usually be poached by the better teams especially if the team is in turmoil like ours.

Suarez, Bale, Fabregas, Hazard, Coutinho, Kane were out of this league to bigger or equal European clubs. Bruno isn’t still here because of a deep sense of loyalty, he’s here because the top teams don’t believe he’s the answer.

So this tells me that while Bruno is a very good player he’s not some superstar that would break our club if he left. Teams have lost better players, cashed in and survived so why can’t we.

Yep... Salah and VVD must be only very good players because no one came for them and they were on a free this summer. Top teams must have thought those 2 are not very good right?

KDB leaving City with no top team coming for him must mean he is not a top player right?

Pogba must not have been better than a very good player because when he left on a free his only option was Juventus right?
 
If Bruno is who a lot of you think he is he would be Real Madrid’s main target this summer. PSG, Barcelona have upgraded their central options in the last year too and he wasn’t an option, at least not a serious option.

My point is players that play at such a high level will usually be poached by the better teams especially if the team is in turmoil like ours.

Suarez, Bale, Fabregas, Hazard, Coutinho, Kane were out of this league to bigger or equal European clubs. Bruno isn’t still here because of a deep sense of loyalty, he’s here because the top teams don’t believe he’s the answer.

So this tells me that while Bruno is a very good player he’s not some superstar that would break our club if he left. Teams have lost better players, cashed in and survived so why can’t we.
Complete nonsense. And despite United going through turmoil, we still pay as well as anybody, still win trophies regularly (somehow), and are globally a big club.

Bruno is a world class player, one of the best in the world in his position. He's also 30 though, and that will have an impact given the fee it would take other clubs. His own personal preferences on where he wants to live, where he wants to play. He's captain here, he's in the biggest league, at one of the biggest clubs in the world who is "trying" to get back to the top. He also maybe just doesn't want to uproot his family and would rather stick it out with United than jump ship.

Plenty of world class players stayed at clubs through turmoil.
 
All I'm saying is great players that could be difference makers don't tend to stay at underperforming or smaller clubs long, the elite teams eventually buy them.
Yep... Salah and VVD must be only very good players because no one came for them and they were on a free this summer. Top teams must have thought those 2 are not very good right?

KDB leaving City with no top team coming for him must mean he is not a top player right?

Pogba must not have been better than a very good player because when he left on a free his only option was Juventus right?
Read rather than react.

Some really silly posts bringing up KDB, Salah and even Yamal. These are elite players already playing at elite clubs winning big trophies.
 
All I'm saying is great players that could be difference makers don't tend to stay at underperforming or smaller clubs long, the elite teams eventually buy them.
Smaller clubs, usually no. United's not a small club.

Underperforming big clubs, all the time it happens that they stick around thinking it'll get better.
 
Complete nonsense. And despite United going through turmoil, we still pay as well as anybody, still win trophies regularly (somehow), and are globally a big club.

Bruno is a world class player, one of the best in the world in his position. He's also 30 though, and that will have an impact given the fee it would take other clubs. His own personal preferences on where he wants to live, where he wants to play. He's captain here, he's in the biggest league, at one of the biggest clubs in the world who is "trying" to get back to the top. He also maybe just doesn't want to uproot his family and would rather stick it out with United than jump ship.

Plenty of world class players stayed at clubs through turmoil.
Smaller clubs, usually no. United's not a small club.

Underperforming big clubs, all the time it happens that they stick around thinking it'll get better.
In your first post, all of that holds true as reasons why to stay. What I'm saying is why aren't teams aggressively pursuing him. The easy cop out is "how do you know the big teams aren't chasing him" but we know these things they are hardly a secret. We wanted Kane for years, City tried to sign him too and only after years of being content plus not being allowed to go, he went to Bayern.

No matter how settled he may appear, players of that level want to play in the biggest competitions in the hopes of winning them. I refuse to believe that a couple of domestic cups are satisfying his competitive itch. I just believe out of what is available for him we are likely his best option but only because the top clubs aren't after him.

I disagree with the first bolded bit. There aren't many that have stayed for long since last decade.

Yes players can stick at underperforming clubs for a bit but when you're in perpetual decline like us no that does not happen often.
 
Read rather than react.

Some really silly posts bringing up KDB, Salah and even Yamal. These are elite players already playing at elite clubs winning big trophies.

Firstly.. Manchester United are not a small club.

Secondly... Bruno has been part of the underperforming club.

If you ask any footballer.. would they rather finish 3rd.... 3 times or have FA cup and League cup... they will tell you the answer.

So are you saying Pogba was playing for a performing Manutd?
 
In your first post, all of that holds true as reasons why to stay. What I'm saying is why aren't teams aggressively pursuing him. The easy cop out is "how do you know the big teams aren't chasing him" but we know these things they are hardly a secret. We wanted Kane for years, City tried to sign him too and only after years of being content plus not being allowed to go, he went to Bayern.

No matter how settled he may appear, players of that level want to play in the biggest competitions in the hopes of winning them. I refuse to believe that a couple of domestic cups are satisfying his competitive itch. I just believe out of what is available for him we are likely his best option but only because the top clubs aren't after him.

I disagree with the first bolded bit. There aren't many that have stayed for long since last decade.

Yes players can stick at underperforming clubs for a bit but when you're in perpetual decline like us no that does not happen often.
Fundamentally, if a player is deemed untouchable by a club and the player themselves makes it clear they don't want to move, then why would 'top clubs' bother chasing them? I think your thinking is a classic example of confirmation bias: no big clubs have been reported to be chasing him so Bruno is overrated.
 
Unpopular opinion: sell high until you can!

I agree with this but I understand why it's unpopular. People are rightfully worried that we make poor decisions with the money and end up with nothing to show for.
 
In your first post, all of that holds true as reasons why to stay. What I'm saying is why aren't teams aggressively pursuing him. The easy cop out is "how do you know the big teams aren't chasing him" but we know these things they are hardly a secret. We wanted Kane for years, City tried to sign him too and only after years of being content plus not being allowed to go, he went to Bayern.

No matter how settled he may appear, players of that level want to play in the biggest competitions in the hopes of winning them. I refuse to believe that a couple of domestic cups are satisfying his competitive itch. I just believe out of what is available for him we are likely his best option but only because the top clubs aren't after him.

I disagree with the first bolded bit. There aren't many that have stayed for long since last decade.

Yes players can stick at underperforming clubs for a bit but when you're in perpetual decline like us no that does not happen often.
Man United isn't a selling club though. Its just a different situation. There have been sniffings and light links with Bayern last year I remember, but they quickly died away because the club would never entertain selling him and he doesn't want to leave.

Using Tottenham players as an example is pointless, because Man United and Tottenham come from different worlds. Look at To help Hernandez for example at Milan. Milan are mid table right now, yet nobody is in for him because they know there's no chance of signing him. The traditional big clubs will always hold that lure and just aren't selling clubs, especially if the player isn't pushing to leave or complaining ever.

There is a lot of background work done on players. Most of it doesn't come out in public. If a player's agent is contacted and they say "he's not interested", then the conversation dies before it starts.
 
I remember a lot of people taking the piss because Liverpool had lost their best player.
But £135M reinvested in Van Dijk, Fabinho & Alisson plus a couple of others, was a watershed moment that propelled them forwards.
Like I said I’m only playing devils advocate rather than wanting to sell Bruno but if we could get a steady and dependable keeper, Frimpong, a quality left wing back, another ball winner to rotate with Ugarte, Wharton, Cunha and Gyokeres with the money with the funds from Saudi buying Bruno plus funds from selling Rashford then you look at it differently.
 
If Bruno is who a lot of you think he is he would be Real Madrid’s main target this summer. PSG, Barcelona have upgraded their central options in the last year too and he wasn’t an option, at least not a serious option.

My point is players that play at such a high level will usually be poached by the better teams especially if the team is in turmoil like ours.

Suarez, Bale, Fabregas, Hazard, Coutinho, Kane were out of this league to bigger or equal European clubs. Bruno isn’t still here because of a deep sense of loyalty, he’s here because the top teams don’t believe he’s the answer.

So this tells me that while Bruno is a very good player he’s not some superstar that would break our club if he left. Teams have lost better players, cashed in and survived so why can’t we.

It's not that simple. Clubs have to look at the total package to begin with. It will cost a lot of money to sign Bruno and very few European clubs can afford that. Of the clubs that can afford it like Real Madrid for example, they don't need him and their struggling to accommodate everyone as it is. Bayern wouldn't pay all that money when they already have players who can play the Number 10 role.

I don't think we can disagree that Rio and Vidic were world class players and every side in world football would've loved to sign them in their prime. But again cost vs need and whether they can find alternative options weighs heavily on the decision. It had nothing to do with their quality as a player.
 
Man United isn't a selling club though. Its just a different situation. There have been sniffings and light links with Bayern last year I remember, but they quickly died away because the club would never entertain selling him and he doesn't want to leave.

Using Tottenham players as an example is pointless, because Man United and Tottenham come from different worlds. Look at To help Hernandez for example at Milan. Milan are mid table right now, yet nobody is in for him because they know there's no chance of signing him. The traditional big clubs will always hold that lure and just aren't selling clubs, especially if the player isn't pushing to leave or complaining ever.

There is a lot of background work done on players. Most of it doesn't come out in public. If a player's agent is contacted and they say "he's not interested", then the conversation dies before it starts.
This is 2025 this sort of rhetoric doesn't exist anymore, at least for now.

Theo Hernandez hasn't even been in as bad a position as Bruno. Milan won Serie A in 21/22 and qualified for the CL three years in a row finishing 1st, 4th, 2nd. This has been their disaster year and I could easily see him getting bought if they don't turn it around. They only finished outside the CL spots in his first season and this current season so his loyalty isn't surprising. We've been in yoyo-ing with CL and EL every other year.

The best players want to play CL football and compete at the top level. In Bruno's case though of course you'd stay at United if the option is playing CL football for second rate sides. I can't believe that one of the most competitive players we've had is content fighting for mediocrity. I don't see a world where he rejects Real or Barca if they come in for him. With how crap with been lately there's a couple more clubs in that list.
 
Interesting dilemma. Keep the only world class player at the club, or sell him to help finance the rebuild. It’s complicated because there’s no guarantee another rebuild leads to a revival, and without Bruno things could get worse.
 
Interesting dilemma. Keep the only world class player at the club, or sell him to help finance the rebuild. It’s complicated because there’s no guarantee another rebuild leads to a revival, and without Bruno things could get worse.
The latter is the most likely scenario, how do you replace his goals and assist, with someone cheaper and will help balance the team? There's a very, very small pool of players that could do the job and they'd cost a fortune.
 
The Coutinho comparison is so annoying. Our situations are not the same at all.

First of all, Coutinho was never as good as Bruno nor was he a leader. He had a few good years and the fell off already in his mid 20's.

Secondly, Liverpool was in a much stronger position than we are now. Klopp had been at the club for 2.5 years and he was considered a once-in-a-decade manager talent and quite possibly the best squad builder at the time. Amorim is very promising of course, but you just cannot compare the two of them. Liverpool had also finished 4th with 76 points the season prior to Coutinho's departure. And then there's the players.... Salah, Mane, Firmino, Henderson, TAA and Robertson were all present at the time Coutinho left.

Lastly, Liverpool hit the ultimate jackpot with Van Dijk and Alisson. Hindsight is 20-20. There were absolutely no guarantees that both incoming transfers would become among the best in the world in their position. You could have rolled the dice in 10 alternate timelines and Liverpool wouldn't have come out as strongly. This is an exception rather than a likely turn of events.
Much better to bank on Bruno to play as long as Giggs or Modric as others have hinted ^^ You are right of course, but those things should be applied not just selectively.

If Bruno is who a lot of you think he is he would be Real Madrid’s main target this summer. PSG, Barcelona have upgraded their central options in the last year too and he wasn’t an option, at least not a serious option.

My point is players that play at such a high level will usually be poached by the better teams especially if the team is in turmoil like ours.

Suarez, Bale, Fabregas, Hazard, Coutinho, Kane were out of this league to bigger or equal European clubs. Bruno isn’t still here because of a deep sense of loyalty, he’s here because the top teams don’t believe he’s the answer.

So this tells me that while Bruno is a very good player he’s not some superstar that would break our club if he left. Teams have lost better players, cashed in and survived so why can’t we.
I agree to the first sentence, I think, what some fans on here think of Bruno is a bit more than the the rest of the football. Understandable of course, but it leads to odd reactions. I wouldn't follow your train of thought regarding transfer activity though. At least not in terms of it being a sign of quality. I think, it might as well be a sign of him not being an easy fit for other squads. Obviously it is possible to integrate him in a team but when even the United scouts noticed some of his "traits" then others would have too. And there the bow closes itself - other teams get by more than well creating chances for their attackers without one individual player who has such a knack at it.

I find it funny to see how "long" it took until you've been labeled a hater though :lol:

It’s a funny one this due to the “club in turmoil” stuff.
We won the FA Cup last year, the season before we finished 3rd and won the League Cup.
It’s only this year we’re a club in genuine “turmoil” and we may well win the Europa League and qualify for the Champions League.
None of this is changing that we are seen as a club in turmoil. The things you listed are good examples that we aren't a laughing stock and have at least something to show for the fortunes we have spent in recent years without ever having been considered a very good team during that time. I think, calling it turmoil isn't wrong at all - those trophies are good and nice to have but they always covered us underperforming.

Fundamentally, if a player is deemed untouchable by a club and the player themselves makes it clear they don't want to move, then why would 'top clubs' bother chasing them? I think your thinking is a classic example of confirmation bias: no big clubs have been reported to be chasing him so Bruno is overrated.
Confirmation bias applies on both sides of the argument though. In this particular example, I think we all agree that most of the early contacts for transfer happen behind closed doors and without anybody noticing. I would agree, not many notable links in regards of Bruno isn't a sign that his quality is considered to be not on a top level for the reasons you listed. But it might as well be a sign that other clubs don't think a player like him is worth the hassle given that most top clubs do pretty well in terms of generating chances, they outdo us on a regular basis without the need of one individual player that is really good in this aspect but has some issues in other aspects. And even if there probably are teams who would take a shot at it, the expected prices for him and the wages play their parts as well. The player is rated pretty highly among fans (for understandable reasons) but I personally don't think, he is rated on such a high level around the rest of the football world. Isn't even a slight on Bruno, I guess it happens pretty often that fans of a team overrate their own players because they see them on a regular basis and know what they can do and how important they are for the team.
 
This is 2025 this sort of rhetoric doesn't exist anymore, at least for now.

Theo Hernandez hasn't even been in as bad a position as Bruno. Milan won Serie A in 21/22 and qualified for the CL three years in a row finishing 1st, 4th, 2nd. This has been their disaster year and I could easily see him getting bought if they don't turn it around. They only finished outside the CL spots in his first season and this current season so his loyalty isn't surprising. We've been in yoyo-ing with CL and EL every other year.

The best players want to play CL football and compete at the top level. In Bruno's case though of course you'd stay at United if the option is playing CL football for second rate sides. I can't believe that one of the most competitive players we've had is content fighting for mediocrity. I don't see a world where he rejects Real or Barca if they come in for him. With how crap with been lately there's a couple more clubs in that list.
This is 2025, yet we've never been a selling club despite the past 10 years. Despite the past 10 years, we're still among the biggest clubs in the world, and offer among the highest wages. So it absolutely still holds true that we aren't a selling club. If anything, we need to accept sometimes its better to sell players like our situation with Pogba, but anyway.

Of course Bruno wants to play CL football. He would have all the clubs after him if he was available on a free for example. But spending 100m+ on a 30 year old is simply not something clubs do anymore.

Since Bruno arrived just over 5 years ago, United qualified for the CL through the league 3 times, have won the league cup, FA Cup and are set to get to the Europa league final. We also lost a Europa league final, lost an FA Cup final and were knocked out of the semi final stages of these cups 4 other times. Yes we've been shit, but we are still competing for trophies every season despite having 3 shit league seasons since Bruno came. If we were finishing bottom half or mid table every season, yes Bruno would've probably asked to leave. Likewise if we haven't been competing for trophies. That hasn't been the case.

Stop this nonsense of trying to make it sound like we aren't a big club and comparing us to perennial failing clubs like Spurs.
 
The latter is the most likely scenario, how do you replace his goals and assist, with someone cheaper and will help balance the team? There's a very, very small pool of players that could do the job and they'd cost a fortune.
Thats not true. As seen in the game against Brentford, the biggest thing we struggled with was chance creation and buildup. Add a decent passer with good mobility into midfield and the buildup part is not going to get worse than right now. In terms of chance creation, this passer would come into play, add Amad and another acquisition like Cunha into play and we won't fall of a cliff as well given that even with him right now, we are lower midfield in that regard.

Of course we'd miss our currently best player. But if we think, that new players won't have an impact anyways, then we might as well close the club.
 
As good as he's been this season and as important as he is to the team, if someone comes in and offers silly money for a player who's 31 in September, with 2 years left on his contract, the smart business decision would be to sell.

I think Ineos would want to sell too, but they don't have a lot of credit in the bank with the fans so that might put them off doing it!
 
This is 2025 this sort of rhetoric doesn't exist anymore, at least for now.

Theo Hernandez hasn't even been in as bad a position as Bruno. Milan won Serie A in 21/22 and qualified for the CL three years in a row finishing 1st, 4th, 2nd. This has been their disaster year and I could easily see him getting bought if they don't turn it around. They only finished outside the CL spots in his first season and this current season so his loyalty isn't surprising. We've been in yoyo-ing with CL and EL every other year.

The best players want to play CL football and compete at the top level. In Bruno's case though of course you'd stay at United if the option is playing CL football for second rate sides. I can't believe that one of the most competitive players we've had is content fighting for mediocrity. I don't see a world where he rejects Real or Barca if they come in for him. With how crap with been lately there's a couple more clubs in that list.
Respectfully, all of this is based only on your own speculation and psychologizing.
Confirmation bias applies on both sides of the argument though. In this particular example, I think we all agree that most of the early contacts for transfer happen behind closed doors and without anybody noticing. I would agree, not many notable links in regards of Bruno isn't a sign that his quality is considered to be not on a top level for the reasons you listed. But it might as well be a sign that other clubs don't think a player like him is worth the hassle given that most top clubs do pretty well in terms of generating chances, they outdo us on a regular basis without the need of one individual player that is really good in this aspect but has some issues in other aspects. And even if there probably are teams who would take a shot at it, the expected prices for him and the wages play their parts as well. The player is rated pretty highly among fans (for understandable reasons) but I personally don't think, he is rated on such a high level around the rest of the football world. Isn't even a slight on Bruno, I guess it happens pretty often that fans of a team overrate their own players because they see them on a regular basis and know what they can do and how important they are for the team.
Yep, this is a pretty fair take. I don't agree with much of it - particularly that that Bruno is overrated by united fans (I'd argue that he's underrated by those that don't rate him similarly) and that other clubs don't think he's worth the hassle because they already outdo us (we are very poor beyond Bruno whereas most top teams aren't, which I'd argue is why that's the case) but it's all opinions.
 
Seems it’s difficult to have reasonable discussion about letting go of a player like Bruno, which isn’t surprising.

He has been at the heart of most of the good moments we have had as fans in recent times. He is excellent in the media and personally I do believe he genuinely cares about what happens to United beyond what many others would do in a similar position (playing for a club in, yes, perennial turmoil and disappointed expectations). Add to that his near constant availability, all-action, maverick kind of play style…he is bound to create a lot of attachment in the fan base.

I think this transfer discussion is kind of moot, since I don’t see him moving to Saudi at all. It’s not competitive enough for him given his personality and career moment. He also makes really good money at United, so it wouldn’t be the kind of life defining payday it is for some players on the lower rungs in the game.

However, if it was actually possible to sell him for the kind of money being discussed, I would probably be cashing in. It’s not without risk, but I do think he is overvalued by a lot of our fans and given his age it’s unlikely that he will get any better going forward. I also agree with others here that the top clubs in Europe are not interested in pursuing him at the required transfer price and wage levels. They probably never really were either because of the limitations he has as a player.

The way I see it, Bruno has incredible levels in a few high value, high attention generating traits. His vision for and execution on passes in transitional moments or when he gets time on the ball is off the scale. He scores brilliant, memorable goals, never misses a penalty and is a solid set-piece taker. In a team that struggles to create any moments, he seems like a godsend in so many matches with the ones he does create. His work rate, defensive contribution and availability are incredibly endearing and secondly places him in even more moments that resonate with fans and tend to stick in memory.

I also think he is a very lopsided player though. He lacks key abilities that are highly valued at the top level for a player in his position(s), which is why I don’t see him ever being targeted for real by a club at that tier given the level of wages he now commands. And also why he shouldn’t placed in that category for the purposes of assessing his value to United’s squad and future.

He is not athletic or physical. Sure, he can run all day and gets proper stuck in when it comes to dueling, but apart from creating a bit of extra space or time for himself with dummies, feints, clever flick-ons and the like when receiving a pass, he struggles to progress the ball outside of transitional moments or when otherwise given time on the ball. He doesn’t have a burst of pace or the kind of close control and passing finesse in tight spaces that allows him to reliably receive on the half-turn against settled defenses or when being pressed, and either find someone with a through ball or beat at man to create space for himself or a teammate. He isn’t strong or quick on his feet either, so he can’t bring others into play by holding up the ball and doesn’t draw fouls around the box like a tricky attacker would do.

Someone like De Bruyne had most of these traits combined with a good chunk of the vision that Bruno possesses in spades. For a club aspiring to be a league contender you will face a lot of teams that try to play defensively (i.e. tactics like low block, high pressing etc.), where Brunos qualities don’t shine as much. Maybe prime De Bruyne seems like a tough comparison, but that’s the level we’re talking about if it’s being a starter at the top level in Europe.

If you move him down to central midfield his quality on the pass comes more into play, but especially against pressing sides – of which there many in the Premier League – his deficiencies on the half-turn and in terms of carrying the ball through speed and dribbling manifest themselves again. He is too easy to marginalize in this position as well because he can’t carry properly and needs time to receive and turn for his passing to become a threat. What you risk happening then is what we have seen many times over the past years, when he tries to build from deep – that he loses the ball in dangerous positions and creates turnovers that threaten our own backline. There are too many scenarios where the range of his tools for progression are too limited to be good enough for an elite side at the base. Not to mention that if you position him here, the returns from his most valuable traits, that visionary killer pass and the finishing, will show themselves less frequently.

I think of him as kind of roided Juan Mata. Does key things exceptionally well, has amazing moments and an engaging personality with much more staying power and raw work rate than Mata could ever summon. If you chose to build around his vision and work rate in a transition focused team, you could get quite far, I think. Just not Premier League or Champions League kind of far. And that’s what we’re going for here.

The main concern I might have with selling him at this moment would be the potential reputational impact in the market. Would it risk signaling that we can’t sell the project internally? Does his presence help us attract better players and keep a floor level in the team creatively that could be risky saying goodbye to with all the changes that are bound to be coming?

It might also unsettle the squad because of his role as a leader at United. He seems well liked and has saved the team many times. But even that could be overvalued. There are just as many examples of him reacting poorly to situations requiring on-pitch leadership, and he has been an ever-present part of a side that has crumbled spectacularly on so many occasions. As a leading player he bears some level of responsibility for this as well. If he was an elite level leader, wouldn’t he be in general be a galvanizing presence and make his teammates better in those difficult moments – not to mention playing his best football, when the chips are down? Not saying he never does, but it's a mixed bag for me.

He is still our best and most eye-catching player, but for me that’s not because he is truly elite on the whole, but because he has elite traits being highlighted even further by playing in a pretty average side over the years. If we could clear out his enormous wages AND receive a large fee for him that will boost us in terms of buying for the next stages of squad development, I think we should do it.

I would thank him and celebrate him for all the great moments, offer him an ambassadorial role, when he hangs up his boots (or perhaps even more if he is interested) and probably honor his contribution in some visible way when the new stadium is built. I think his story at United deserves that.
 
80m is the rumored amount....not enough money to sell him

that figure has to be north of 100m to consider selling Bruno
 
80m is the rumored amount....not enough money to sell him

that figure has to be north of 100m to consider selling Bruno
Given his age, that certainly would be a good price. He might push on for years or he might drop off. Casemiro was considered to be good for a long time at 31 when we bought him.
I don’t want to see him sold because he is our best player. I’d hate to think where we’d be without him. Would we even replace his output and reliability for £80m….nope.
 
Wouldn’t it be a typical United to fail to capitalize on the presented opportunity to cash in on soon to be an over the hill player (which was highly inconsistent and lacks physicality to be part of the midfield 2) and foster the rebuild required.
 
Wouldn’t it be a typical United to fail to capitalize on the presented opportunity to cash in on soon to be an over the hill player (which was highly inconsistent and lacks physicality to be part of the midfield 2) and foster the rebuild required.

Is there a bid for him?
 
Wouldn’t it be a typical United to fail to capitalize on the presented opportunity to cash in on soon to be an over the hill player (which was highly inconsistent and lacks physicality to be part of the midfield 2) and foster the rebuild required.
Soon to be over the hill? He's having one of the seasons of his life, how do you know when he'll fall off? Define 'soon'.
 
No chance Bruno leaves this summer

If we're a shambles again next season who knows but I've no doubt he'll give amorim another full season to try and turn us around

Personally I hope he never leaves, the brightest of sparks in a largely awful period and a credit to the club. He can retire here as far as I'm concerned, hopefully we get our act together soon and he gets the success he deserves
 
Soon to be over the hill? He's having one of the seasons of his life, how do you know when he'll fall off? Define 'soon'.
It's amazing how many people want to take the money for the only player who puts up the numbers and stays fit.
 
It's amazing how many people want to take the money for the only player who puts up the numbers and stays fit.
Mad isn't it? That post could be rephrased as: wouldn't it be a typical united not to sell our best player on the baseless assumption that he's going to go into a steep decline soon, based on my imagining him to be inconsistent.
 
Mad isn't it? That post could be rephrased as: wouldn't it be a typical united not to sell our best player on the baseless assumption that he's going to go into a steep decline soon, based on my imagining him to be inconsistent.
Even if he loses a yard of pace, he is still one of the league's best creators. We put a couple of hard working midfielders next to him and he can do the Scholes job of pinging balls about into his mid thirties.

Before anyone points it out: no, I don't think he is Scholes.
 
Wouldn’t it be a typical United to fail to capitalize on the presented opportunity to cash in on soon to be an over the hill player (which was highly inconsistent and lacks physicality to be part of the midfield 2) and foster the rebuild required.

There hasn't been any bid. I can't imagine United would turn down a Salah-like offer for him (the rumoured money they were willing to pay for Salah). Even 120m I think United wouldn't turn down. But 60-70m I think would be rejected out of hand.

He also has to want the move.
 
Wouldn’t it be a typical United to fail to capitalize on the presented opportunity to cash in on soon to be an over the hill player (which was highly inconsistent and lacks physicality to be part of the midfield 2) and foster the rebuild required.
Depends what money we get offered. I don’t think we find anyone els in Europe that’s consistent and gives us his numbers every season.
 
When Bruno plays in midfield is he box to box?

I'm just asking because he is everywhere on the pitch and doesn't this negate the need to buy another box to box unless we want to play 2 together?
 
Wouldn’t it be a typical United to fail to capitalize on the presented opportunity to cash in on soon to be an over the hill player (which was highly inconsistent and lacks physicality to be part of the midfield 2) and foster the rebuild required.
Weird.