Bryan Mbeumo

[croadyman]

I think if we buy three attackers it will be a striker, Cunha and then a younger player. I don’t see Garnacho leaving as we wouldn’t get enough money for him, not much point selling him for 45-50m and then taking a 60m punt on Mbeumo.

Mastantuono or Dibbling maybe, if we could sign one of those then want us to go for better striker than Delap

 

[RuudTom83]

If your reasoning is standing steadfast behind the idea that you never get 100% with transfers then if one transfer is bound to fail wouldn’t you prefer the chance for it to be 1/3 failures rather than 1/2.

Haha the more the merrier approach...which could work but personally I'd prefer the slower approach.

Adding a CF could drastically change how the team functions and some individuals who are currently struggling could benefit in ways we can't foresee.

If money is no object then sure lets add as many new faces as possible, but being realistic, I'd just go with a new CF and 1 new no.10...if you want to add a 3rd player then it would have to be a CM for me.

So this will always be a Cunha vs Mbeuno debate and I'd prefer the Brazilian.

 

[croadyman]

Haha the more the merrier approach...which could work but personally I'd prefer the slower approach.

Adding a CF could drastically change how the team functions and some individuals who are currently struggling could benefit in ways we can't foresee.

If money is no object then sure lets add as many new faces as possible, but being realistic, I'd just go with a new CF and 1 new no.10...if you want to add a 3rd player then it would have to be a CM for me.

So this will always be a Cunha vs Mbeuno debate and I'd prefer the Brazilian.

Yeah if it has to be only one of them then Cunha, so what CM would you like to see us bring in?

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

He’d be a great addition no doubt but Cunha is better and stylistically a better fit for our system. I can’t see us managing to sign both. If we are going to add a third attacker (which I truly believe we should!) then it should be Cherki who will move for a really reasonable free relative to his talent.

 

[croadyman]

He’d be a great addition no doubt but Cunha is better and stylistically a better fit for our system. I can’t see us managing to sign both. If we are going to add a third attacker (which I truly believe we should!) then it should be Cherki who will move for a really reasonable free relative to his talent.

So Cunha, Cherki and who would be your striker?

What are your feelings about Mastantuono?

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

So Cunha, Cherki and who would be your striker?

What are your feelings about Mastantuono?

Dreaming Gyokores. Realistically Delap or another cheaper prem proven player.

I don’t know much about Mastantuono, but based on the clips he looks exciting. Wouldn’t be against him, but I do think we could regret not getting Cherki at the rumoured price.

 

[OleGunnar20]

Dreaming Gyokores. Realistically Delap or another cheaper prem proven player.

I don’t know much about Mastantuono, but based on the clips he looks exciting. Wouldn’t be against him, but I do think we could regret not getting Cherki at the rumoured price.

I expect Cherki will go for quite a bit more than the rumoured ~25m. Lyon have already gone back on the gentleman's agreement when Dortmund tried to take him.

On the other hand, financially they're in deep trouble and I believe will be relegated if they don't do some major work to put things right? Complicated situation.

Either way I think he's definitely worth looking at. My worry with him is less the defensive work rate and attitude issues suggested, but more whether he's got the intensity required to shine in the PL. I dont know enough to say really, but the few times I've seen him he's been quite lackadaisical, even though he still affects games.

 

[Nick.]

My concern with Mbeumo is if we buy him and then later sack Amorim, what happens? Say the next manager wants to play 433, now he has to choose between Mbeumo and Amad. I guess depth is good to have but it's just awkward. Amad is fine as a wing-back but you couldn't put him as a right-back in a 4atb system so that wouldn't really work.

 

[TwoSheds]

My concern with Mbeumo is if we buy him and then later sack Amorim, what happens? Say the next manager wants to play 433, now he has to choose between Mbeumo and Amad. I guess depth is good to have but it's just awkward. Amad is fine as a wing-back but you couldn't put him as a right-back in a 4atb system so that wouldn't really work.

Mbeumo has played up front plenty of times, he'd still be our best striker most likely.

 

[RuudTom83]

Yeah if it has to be only one of them then Cunha, so what CM would you like to see us bring in?

If I was briefing the scouting department, I'd give them the challenge of finding someone as close to Vitinha as possible.

 

[Shinjch]

Bit surprised at how the consensus seems to be that Cunha is the better option than Mbuemo. Is that because of the release clause for Cunha?

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

My concern with Mbeumo is if we buy him and then later sack Amorim, what happens? Say the next manager wants to play 433, now he has to choose between Mbeumo and Amad. I guess depth is good to have but it's just awkward. Amad is fine as a wing-back but you couldn't put him as a right-back in a 4atb system so that wouldn't really work.

Some teams have to balance, Mbappe, Rodrygo, Vinicius, Guler, Endrick and Diaz. I’d welcome a problem like the above. If there’s one thing Amad has proven it’s that he’s versatile, he could easily play the 10 positions for Amorim and anyone else.

 

[Herschel Krustofsky]

prem proven player

Not a go at you, but this is such a nothing phrase

 

[MadDogg]

Not a go at you, but this is such a nothing phrase

Not really. Obviously there are no guarantees, but buying a player who has done well for a couple of seasons in the PL will reduce the odds of them failing compared to a player who had done equally well in a different league. All things being equal we should prioritise the player in the PL, but of course things aren't normally equal (generally PL players cost more for one thing).

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Have you actually watched Frimpong?

regularly.

 

[The Hilton]

Not a go at you, but this is such a nothing phrase

Not really. Obviously there are no guarantees, but buying a player who has done well for a couple of seasons in the PL will reduce the odds of them failing compared to a player who had done equally well in a different league. All things being equal we should prioritise the player in the PL, but of course things aren't normally equal (generally PL players cost more for one thing).

It's a phrase that has been overused historically, but if our recent transfer history proves any lesson for us to learn, it's that the level of physicality in the PL is far beyond that of other leagues, so it's a huge plus for a prospective signing to be proven able to excel physically in the league.

 

[croadyman]

Bit surprised at how the consensus seems to be that Cunha is the better option than Mbuemo. Is that because of the release clause for Cunha?

Just feel Cunha has that swagger to play for us whereas Mbeumo I would like to add if it was possible

 

[pcaming]

My concern with Mbeumo is if we buy him and then later sack Amorim, what happens? Say the next manager wants to play 433, now he has to choose between Mbeumo and Amad. I guess depth is good to have but it's just awkward. Amad is fine as a wing-back but you couldn't put him as a right-back in a 4atb system so that wouldn't really work.

Having depth is not a problem.

Just feel Cunha has that swagger to play for us whereas Mbeumo I would like to add if it was possible

Swagger vs effectiveness is why we keep failing in the transfer market.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Well Cunha has both.

 

[croadyman]

Well Cunha has both.

Yeah I think so too

 

[Shinjch]

Just feel Cunha has that swagger to play for us whereas Mbeumo I would like to add if it was possible

Fair enough. I just think that Mbeumo would be more of a guarantee from what I have seen, he has been reliably very good ever since joining the league.

 

[croadyman]

Fair enough. I just think that Mbeumo would be more of a guarantee from what I have seen, he has been reliably very good ever since joining the league.

Could do with one of the reliable journos to come out with whether we are looking at both as McGrath suggested

 

[Keyser]

Could do with one of the reliable journos to come out with whether we are looking at both as McGrath suggested

Surely at this point they'd just be guessing, I suspect the club aren't even sure at the moment, there must be so many plans in play
Plan A - with CL
Plan B - without CL
Plan C - Decent money for Rashford, Sancho et al
Plan D - They all come back from loan

etc etc

 

[Herschel Krustofsky]

Not really. Obviously there are no guarantees, but buying a player who has done well for a couple of seasons in the PL will reduce the odds of them failing compared to a player who had done equally well in a different league. All things being equal we should prioritise the player in the PL, but of course things aren't normally equal (generally PL players cost more for one thing).

It's a phrase that has been overused historically, but if our recent transfer history proves any lesson for us to learn, it's that the level of physicality in the PL is far beyond that of other leagues, so it's a huge plus for a prospective signing to be proven able to excel physically in the league.

You’ve both kind of made the point for me here.

In isolation, it’s totally pointless, and requires qualification to actually mean anything. On this forum (and also in the case i quoted) it’s mainly used in isolation, completely undermining any point a poster is trying to make!

 

[The Hilton]

You’ve both kind of made the point for me here.

In isolation, it’s totally pointless, and requires qualification to actually mean anything. On this forum (and also in the case i quoted) it’s mainly used in isolation, completely undermining any point a poster is trying to make!

It's quite the leap of logic to suggest that a few words you see as meaningless are capable of undermining any point a poster is trying to make. Surely it would have to have meaning contrary to the original point in order to undermine it. A more accurate description, I'd wager, is that your pet hate of the phrase causes you to disregard the point made by the poster. It's understandable, some can use it to mask really shallow thinking, but it means you automatically discard a potentially good point.

The phrase "PL proven" can be used to summarise the fact that the PL requires a much higher technical level than almost every other league in the world, on a par with the other couple of top leagues around Europe, and that the level of physicality is arguably the highest of any league. There's also the pressure, with the media spotlight being extremely bright, with tabloids eager to find their next laughing stock. Given how difficult it can be for players to adjust to the league, removing that variable is a big plus for prospective signings.

 

[croadyman]

Surely at this point they'd just be guessing, I suspect the club aren't even sure at the moment, there must be so many plans in play
Plan A - with CL
Plan B - without CL
Plan C - Decent money for Rashford, Sancho et al
Plan D - They all come back from loan

etc etc

Yeah actually when you think back to what Ornstein said about Cunha and Delap deals independent of potential Europa League money and player sales. So presume talk of this guy and other positions will ramp up when we know the situation for next season.

 

[Herschel Krustofsky]

It's quite the leap of logic to suggest that a few words you see as meaningless are capable of undermining any point a poster is trying to make. Surely it would have to have meaning contrary to the original point in order to undermine it. A more accurate description, I'd wager, is that your pet hate of the phrase causes you to disregard the point made by the poster. It's understandable, some can use it to mask really shallow thinking, but it means you automatically discard a potentially good point.

The phrase "PL proven" can be used to summarise the fact that the PL requires a much higher technical level than almost every other league in the world, on a par with the other couple of top leagues around Europe, and that the level of physicality is arguably the highest of any league. There's also the pressure, with the media spotlight being extremely bright, with tabloids eager to find their next laughing stock. Given how difficult it can be for players to adjust to the league, removing that variable is a big plus for prospective signings.

It’s not a leap of logic. If you don’t qualify what PL Proven means , you’re not making any point, just spouting buzzwords.

In your second paragraph, above, you’re giving a number of potential qualifications for the phrase - affirming what I’m saying.

Example;

‘We should get a PL proven striker’.

What makes a striker PL proven, 5 goals, 5 assists, 20 appearances, 3 years in the PL?

Does that make sense?

If someone can’t be arsed qualifying what they mean by PL proven I certainly can’t be arsed reading whatever else is written in the post.

Waste of pixels

 

[Maluco]

It’s not a leap of logic. If you don’t qualify what PL Proven means , you’re not making any point, just spouting buzzwords.

In your second paragraph, above, you’re giving a number of potential qualifications for the phrase - affirming what I’m saying.

Example;

‘We should get a PL proven striker’.

What makes a striker PL proven, 5 goals, 5 assists, 20 appearances, 3 years in the PL?

Does that make sense?

If someone can’t be arsed qualifying what they mean by PL proven I certainly can’t be arsed reading whatever else is written in the post.

Waste of pixels

I mean, does it take that much of a stretch of the brain to qualify this yourself?

Look at their stats and match contributions playing for lesser clubs in the division. Watch their games and see that they are often standout players when their teams win.

It’s so obvious it doesn’t need qualification every time you write it.

They have proven they can both be the best player and key contributor for a side in the Premier league.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Not a go at you, but this is such a nothing phrase

I don’t think it is. Liverpool have shown that you can still find quality in the league you just usually have to pay a premium to get it. Fergie also always built his squads in that way (appreciate times have changed with costs now). It’s without doubt a bonus if the player has shown he can perform in the league especially when the premier league is more physical than ever.

Having said that I wasn’t really talking about my preference in my post. More so I just expect the club to sign a Premier league striker.

 

[croadyman]

I don’t think it is. Liverpool have shown that you can still find quality in the league you just usually have to pay a premium to get it. Fergie also always built his squads in that way (appreciate times have changed with costs now). It’s without doubt a bonus if the player has shown he can perform in the league especially when the premier league is more physical than ever.

Having said that I wasn’t really talking about my preference in my post. More so I just expect the club to sign a Premier league striker.

Which Premier League striker do you expect us to sign?

 

[Brand Nubian]

Very good player and finisher. Not sure both Cubha and Embeumo are needed, with lot of work in other departemts. That said, Embeumo is more of a central striker than Cunha so if its between these two I would pick this guy instead of Cunha. Sure if it wasnt my money I would sign both.

 

[croadyman]

Very good player and finisher. Not sure both Cubha and Embeumo are needed, with lot of work in other departemts. That said, Embeumo is more of a central striker than Cunha so if its between these two I would pick this guy instead of Cunha. Sure if it wasnt my money I would sign both.

Feel like both are possible IF we signed either Delap or brought in David on a free. I would obviously prefer just Cunha and Gyökeres but need to win Europa.

 

[Tallis]

I like the idea of signing him if the price is reasonable. Otherwise, there are a couple of other prospects for that right AM role in Cherki and Mastantuono.

 

[croadyman]

I like the idea of signing him if the price is reasonable. Otherwise, there are a couple of other prospects for that right AM role in Cherki and Mastantuono.

Yeah and IF we signed one of them then would open the possibility of being able to spend more on a striker, however having premier league proven goal and assists on both sides is tempting which him and Cunha offer.

 

[Tallis]

Yeah and IF we signed one of them then would open the possibility of being able to spend more on a striker, however having premier league proven goal and assists on both sides is tempting which him and Cunha offer.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Insanity]

I am still unsure on what Amo wants from his #10's and don't have much idea of how he used them at Sporting. Does he want one with good close control & workrate and the other onebto be a relentless runner with bit of a pace? If yes, then an Amad/Cunha in combination with Garnacho/Mbuemo makes sense as a combination and for depth. If he wants both of them to be proper #10's (in the sense of what we know from a usual 4231/433) then I can only see Mbuemo useful as a RWB.

 

[Herschel Krustofsky]

I mean, does it take that much of a stretch of the brain to qualify this yourself?

Look at their stats and match contributions playing for lesser clubs in the division. Watch their games and see that they are often standout players when their teams win.

It’s so obvious it doesn’t need qualification every time you write it.

They have proven they can both be the best player and key contributor for a side in the Premier league.

You’ve jumped in at the wrong point here mate. Initial post didnt mention these players.

Maybe use your brain next time!

 

[Herschel Krustofsky]

I don’t think it is. Liverpool have shown that you can still find quality in the league you just usually have to pay a premium to get it. Fergie also always built his squads in that way (appreciate times have changed with costs now). It’s without doubt a bonus if the player has shown he can perform in the league especially when the premier league is more physical than ever.

Having said that I wasn’t really talking about my preference in my post. More so I just expect the club to sign a Premier league striker.

Fair enough. It’s still quite a wide range between Mbuemo and Delap in terms of what they’ve proven.

Appreciate the response though, the Liverpool / SAF context makes sense

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Which Premier League striker do you expect us to sign?

Delap most likely. If not him I think somebody like Mateta.

 

[LukeTheRed]

For the right price we should be looking at this.

Our team realistically needs to add about 30 goals in order to be near the top of the table.

I think Cunha & Mbeumo will go some way to addressing our goal scoring problem