Gender and sex arent the same thing I think. Gender is the social thing and sex the biological part.
Dunno how I become the spokesperson of this, I know feck all about the subject
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Dunno how I become the spokesperson of this, I know feck all about the subject
Exactly.
I agree. In the last 5 years, it has been so.Gender and sex arent the same thing I think. Gender is the social thing and sex the biological part.
Dunno how I become the spokesperson of this, I know feck all about the subject
The more interesting parallel to draw to gender is race, rather than species, as funny as it is when you see someone who genuinely seems to think they're a wolf or a deer or whatever.
Race is a social construct to some degree, therefore is it wrong when white people try to self-identify as black or visa-versa?
Race is a social construct to some degree, therefore is it wrong when white people try to self-identify as black or visa-versa?
Race or ethnicities? What makes a race a social construct?
Peterson doesn't take many specific positions.
He meets with Doug Ford and regularly tweets positively about Andrew Scheer, he would've voted for Trump if he was American, he works with the very conservative organization PragerU, he's so-so on gay marriage, he's not sure if women and men can work together, he champions traditional gender roles and religious values, he's at best skeptical of the effects of climate change, etc.
These all seem like standard conservative takes for me, I don't know why you disagree.
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordeba...ical.,would remain constant across boundaries.
To be clear I'm not someone who has much time for all this social constructionist naval gazing. But if we say that gender is a fluid line and anyone can identify as being anywhere along it, at any time, then presumably it's only fair that this attitude holds among other aspects of identity that people often deem social constructs.
Having watched a few interviews with him, I never got this impression. Not at all. He is against 'equality of outcome' and quotas about this, while in my opinion giving pretty good arguments with respect to that.
I've never seen him talk about gay marriage, so dunno.
I believe that climate change is a scientific opinion, not a right/left-wing issue. While I am not a scientist on climate studies, I totally disagree with Peterson, mostly cause there is a near-total agreement from the scientific community about climate change.
I have no idea if he would have voted for Trump. For sure he would not have voted for Warren or Sanders though, but in a Biden vs Trump, I dunno.
Again, I am not an expert of him. The number of interviews I've seen of him is likely less than 10. From all of them, I didn't give the slightest impression that he is right-wing (or even center-right). I believe that his only two strong positions he takes are: equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome, and forcing people to use neutral pronouns. In both cases, I find nothing wrong with his arguments.
That's an interesting topic because her understanding of race aligns with mine but there is one thing that I find confusing, if racial identity is a social construct then an individual can't change it or adapt it personally, she seems to make the point that it's an internal construct while saying that it's a social construct and to me the former makes sense, you could say that it's influenced by your social environment in particular when you think about interracial offsprings but I'm not sure if you can actual make the point that it's a social construct.
I don't know if I make sense but I'm essentially saying that you are the creator of your own racial identity not society.
You don't know much about him, yet you think people label him because he "[m]akes lefties on twitter insanely angry so must be far right." That is very weird behaviour from you.
I then tell you about several things, which you discount because "haven't seen it, dunno". He is very skeptical of Australia's bid for gay marriage, it doesn't matter if you haven't seen it. He isn't sure if women and men can work together or not, it doesn't matter if you haven't seen it. Climate change is a deeply partisan issue, where the conservative stance is to deny and downplay, it doesn't matter if you see it that way. He would have voted for Trump, it doesn't matter what you know. He knows, which is why he said so. He does meet with conservative politicians, he does work with PragerU. His stance on pronouns and trans people are not limited to forcing people to use specific pronouns, and even then he was lying about bill C-16 all along. Oh, and the equality of outcome thing. I'm sure you heard about the Women's March. That is not only an example of equality of outcome for Peterson (because most things are, that's one of the benefits of talking in generalities; you can hide what you really think), it's a murderous ideology.
Look, it's perfectly fine that you don't know anything about Peterson. Why would you? He's boring and uninteresting. However, going around talking about leftist media, how you're right wing if you don't agree with the left on everything, how it's all based on a caricature of his views when you ... don't know his views.
Why would you do that?
I just noticed this in some emails I've been getting from my daughter's Uni in Chicago. See the pronouns right at the end of that lady's & the guys email signatures.
What's that all about? I know I must be showing my age but this is the 1st time I've noticed this.
(persons 1st and last name)
Academic Advisor
(xxxxx) University Chicago
(address)
(person's email address)
Pronouns: she/her/hers
(person's 1st and last name)
Asst. Director of Regional Admissions
+1 (555) 123-4567
(person's email address)
Pronouns: He; Him; His
What's that all about? I know I must be showing my age but this is the 1st time I've noticed this.
(persons 1st and last name)
Academic Advisor
(xxxxx) University Chicago
(address)
(person's email address)
Pronouns: she/her/hers
(person's 1st and last name)
Asst. Director of Regional Admissions
+1 (555) 123-4567
(person's email address)
Pronouns: He; Him; His
Never seen this before either. We dont do it here at least.
People do that all the time on their Twitter bios. Been a thing for a while now. I think the point is you might cause offence by assuming the wrong pronouns. Lots of people ask to be referred to as they; them; theirs.
I'm thinking of doing it. Pronouns: He/She/It
Those (conservative) guys from the US mid-West at Corporate surely won't mind
Those (conservative) guys from the US mid-West at Corporate surely won't mind
To be fair, I did not say so. I just replied Exactly to another poster.
What do you mean by sceptical, and can you link me an interview on that?
Can you point me to where he says so? In fact, I think he has worked with many women, and never seen someone complaining about him.
Except that it is not. It a scientific thing.
Can you point where did he say so? If not, how do you know that he would have voted for Trump.
Heard him many times talking about this. It was always related to C-16 and the freedom of speech, regardless if you like it or not.
He has always been about the equality of opportunity, and his arguments (and examples, like the 20:1 rate for engineers in Scandinavia) are quite good, at least to a laymen.
Mostly agree. What he says is hardly interesting, for the most part if the stuff that a 10-year old knows. Just that saying some of the things he says loudly, it has become increasingly dangerous. I mean, I have heard him being accused for hate speech from the same professor whom in the same program said that there is no such thing as a biological sex. Oh and then the trans in the program, saying that if that is the case, then she is doing hate speech too.
Am I the only one who thought there was nothing wrong with Harper's letter that kicked off such a bug storm on social media?
People have taken issue with some folks who signed but even then some of the polemic folks in the signatory list don't compare with likes of Shapiro. Most seem to think that it was done to support Rowling and that has riled them up even more.
People have taken issue with some folks who signed but even then some of the polemic folks in the signatory list don't compare with likes of Shapiro. Most seem to think that it was done to support Rowling and that has riled them up even more.
I like J.K, she’s simply standing up for what she believes in. I personally can’t believe she can be arsed with it mind.
You also might cause offence by not assuming that a woman is a woman.
"So you think that I may look like a man!" *Woman slaps JPRouve.*
Oh come on this is like making me argue Karl Marx was not a fascist or Reagan was not a socialist. If you’re familiar with Peterson’s work and do not think he is right wing I can’t help you. What right-wing positions does he not take? Based on your reference to ‘leftist’ media though I really think you need to do a bit more reading on the matter.
I always assume that women with some extra fat on their belly are pregnant, so Im always quick to congratulate them on the new bun in the oven.
Yes, and what does 'exactly' mean? If someone says that the sky is blue, and I answer 'exactly', then obviously I'm saying something about the sky, and I'm saying that it's blue.
By skeptical I mean that he's against it if it's backed by cultural marxists. On gay marriage generally, that's a tough question for him. You can watch him talk about it here, or you can read about it here. Summary is that he's not looking at it as an equal rights thing, he supports gay marriage if it leads to a society with more traditional values and does not support equal rights if it does not.
Yes I can. He also thinks women who wear make-up are being hypocritical if they don't want sexual harassment to happen in the workplace.
Whether or not climate change is happening, and what effect it will have, that's a scientific thing. Whether or not people believe the science, that's a political thing. Evolution is a scientific thing, belief in evolution is a political and religious thing. This is obvious.
Yes, of course I can. As a bonus, when he says that he initially supported Clinton he viewed her as a conservative choice. He switched to Trump because even though Clinton was the conservative choice he didn't like the identity politics, which is funny considering the identity politics of Trump.
It's not about me liking it or not, it's about me being right and you once again not being aware of what he has said. I can show you him misgendering people, talking about the trans panic, how pronouns are ideology and dangerous and made up, etc. Feel free to ask if you're interested.
Once again, "equality of opportunity" and "equality of outcome" are more or less nonsense phrases. No one wants equality of outcome, and no one actually wants equality of opportunity either. So what we need to do is understand what we're actually talking about. Do you think women marching for women's right is an example of equality of outcome that will lead to murder? If not then you don't actually agree with Peterson's arguments on equality of outcome, because you understand the phrase differently.
Never talk about a woman belly, unless she is in labour you don't mention it.
But I thought Peterson is a centrist, he just annoys the postmodern neo-Marxist media and Commies so much that people think he is right wing???? He only said he’d vote Trump to own the left.
Sorry to just bold a section of your post but just wanted to ask something here. As far as I’ve known left is labour, right is Tory. Are you saying only the right/tories don’t believe in climate change? And if evolution is a political thing what side thinks it’s fake? And lastly why is that obvious? Am I being dull?
edit to add I don’t know this man you’re speaking about so got no opinions on that
I noticed that too. The lady did it right, or she feels inferior.....
On a lighter note, he thinks the kids movie Frozen is reprehensible propaganda, and if you're familiar with the plot then I'll leave it up to you to guess why.
I don't mean that it's a clear cut divide. What I mean is that some people deny climate change, and of those who do most of them are on the right. This is because they're the ones who have ideological incentives do first deny, then downplay, then say that we can't fix it anyway so there's no point in spending money on it. Plenty of conservative and/or right wing people believe in climate change, and some people on the left do not believe in climate change, I'm talking about trends.
What I call obvious is that people don't coldly and rationally look at science to figure out what to believe, people are influenced by a whole bunch of stuff. If you're an evangelical Christian who believes that the earth is 6 000 years old, are you more or less likely to believe in evolution than an atheist would be? If you're a libertarian who only wants property rights and the non-aggression principle, are you more or less likely to believe research that shows how income inequality is harmful or that the effects of climate change need large scale interventions to combat? If you're a football fan, will your view on a penalty call be influenced by what team you support?
Does that explain what I mean?
It's the fantasy of a generation of white people who've never received pushback for their opinions and still don't. Middle aged white people go around talking about how 5G causes gayness and we just ignore it, have a quick laugh behind their back, and usually continue liking them and inviting them to social gatherings.
They want to believe they are censored because otherwise the fact they are so astonishingly able to spout whatever moronic shit they want without consequences, and have been for decades, would point to their dominance in the hierarchy.
They want to believe they are censored because otherwise the fact they are so astonishingly able to spout whatever moronic shit they want without consequences, and have been for decades, would point to their dominance in the hierarchy.
You need to have a major rethink about who you invite to your social gatherings.
You don't have any friends or family with insane partners?
I like that non-PC take.
Though I may be wrong but it's more an american thing than a white thing?
Yes you’ve answered why the right would lean towards not supporting climate change, thanks
what about evolution? How is that political
It's generally linked to religious beliefs and a lot of conservatives are religious and base their political identity around religion.
Thankfully, no.
Although I would also take issue with your implication that insane opinions are the preserve of middle aged white people.
I would argue it's the anglosphere. I don't know enough to argue beyond that.I like that non-PC take.
Though I may be wrong but it's more an american thing than a white thing?
Maybe "cancel culture" goes too far sometimes but those are some poor examples of that claim and hardly something to get exasperated about. What's truly ridiculous is your claim that research will need to be based on "political correctness".
How the feck have you managed that?
I'm sure you would. It's not that they are the beginning and the end, it is the middle aged white people are uniquely coddled and so the most likely to spout nonsense.
That seems fair, I was thinking about the UK and Canada but I'm not sure about the rest. From the little I know irish and scottish people seem to be totally different though.
Definitely. A lot of religious people have abhorrent/backward beliefs. Unfortunately, this includes middle aged people of every colour and creed. Which is a bit of a fly in the ointment of @DOTA ‘s gammon bashing crusade.
It's been weeks and she is still going on about it. Amazing how cancel culture really works. She still has her platform, still spouts transphobic BS, but it is we who are the problem for pointing out her ignorance on the issue. Just incredible. The fun never stops.