Champions League Quarter Finals - Bayern vs City, Real vs Chelsea

[Cal?]

He's not wrong.

Peak Pep (2011) were only a bit better than Madrid's first season under Jose.

Not sure if that's even true with the bribery that went on

 

[ZolaWasMagic]

I think we'll avoid defeat at home v madrid and probably nick it, so a defeat by the odd goal first leg would suit me.

we'll give them a much tougher game than pool did

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Nah, i watched them objectively and i know what i'm talking about, unlike you

Rubbish. We all know you’re a tad in love with City and mostly Liverpool and see through that enamoured lense rather than any objectivity. Liverpool under Klopp being as good as any side you’ve seen shows that you’ve either not seen many great ones or choose not to (objectively).

 

[amolbhatia50k]

He's not wrong.

Peak Pep (2011) were only a bit better than Madrid's first season under Jose.
From 4 Clasicos in 14 days, each side won once. And Barca's sole win was due to a nonexistent red card, after a dive by Alves, that folks like Rio called him out for it.

United in 2011, though got to the CL final, were way inferior than both Barca and Madrid. But fans don't want to hear it. They reached the final thanks to a kind draw.

And that Madrid side (2011 or even 2012) was a pretty one dimensional team, and not very good at big matches. Midfield was a glaring weakness, they had literally no press-resistance.

Madrid under Zizou, esp the midfield, was far more flexible, way more mature, and much much better at handling tough situations.

Casemiro >> Khedira
Kroos > Alonso
Modric >> Ozil

If Madrid in 2011 and 2012 could almost go toe to toe with peak Barca, a much better Madrid would have probably got the upper hand.

But these two sides never played each other.

He’s wrong and so are you in that you misinterpreted the comparison being made.

 

[giorno]

I think we'll avoid defeat at home v madrid and probably nick it, so a defeat by the odd goal first leg would suit me.

we'll give them a much tougher game than pool did

Ultimately it all comes down to how well you can defend on Vini. Stop him and you stop us and we're very beatable. Failing that you don't have a chance

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Peak Pep (2011) were only a bit better than Madrid's first season under Jose.
From 4 Clasicos in 14 days, each side won once. And Barca's sole win was due to a nonexistent red card, after a dive by Alves, that folks like Rio called him out for it.

Well there was also that 5th game where we got obliterated 5-0.

 

[Deco10Legend]

Pains me to say but Benfica are in great good form and might actually reach the final. They are very underrated.
Hopefully if not Inter, Napoli will destroy them. I even take city beating them, anyone really ahah.

 

[GinobiliTheGOAT]

He's not wrong.

Peak Pep (2011) were only a bit better than Madrid's first season under Jose.
From 4 Clasicos in 14 days, each side won once. And Barca's sole win was due to a nonexistent red card, after a dive by Alves, that folks like Rio called him out for it.

United in 2011, though got to the CL final, were way inferior than both Barca and Madrid. But fans don't want to hear it. They reached the final thanks to a kind draw.

And that Madrid side (2011 or even 2012) was a pretty one dimensional team, and not very good at big matches. Midfield was a glaring weakness, they had literally no press-resistance.

Madrid under Zizou, esp the midfield, was far more flexible, way more mature, and much much better at handling tough situations.

Casemiro >> Khedira
Kroos > Alonso
Modric >> Ozil

If Madrid in 2011 and 2012 could almost go toe to toe with peak Barca, a much better Madrid would have probably got the upper hand.

But these two sides never played each other.

Better Madrid sides were getting spanked by worse Barca sides in 2014, 2016, 2017, etc…

The peak Barca side was always better than the best Madrid side

 

[MVBDX]

Well there was also that 5th game where we got obliterated 5-0.

That was the 1st one, not the 5th. The other 4 were all at the end of the season, in the span of two weeks.

That was Jose's early days vs Pep's 3rd year at Barca, not a fair comparison.

Not sure if that's even true with the bribery that went on

You might be right, I tried to keep the things as it was.

He’s wrong and so are you in that you misinterpreted the comparison being made.

You're looking at it with the wrong lense (United fan watching his team get a reality check). Pep's Barca struggled in quite a few KO games, even against inferior sides (unlike Zizou's Madrid).

City played better CL football in 2022 than Pep's Barca in 2011, but they were playing against a super experienced side with multiple CLs under their belt, and there was no Ovrebo to bail them out.

 

[MVBDX]

Better Madrid sides were getting spanked by worse Barca sides in 2014, 2016, 2017, etc…

The peak Barca side was always better than the best Madrid side

I would pause before bringing up Liga games if I were you

 

[GinobiliTheGOAT]

I would pause before bringing up Liga games if I were you

yeah because getting smashed 4-0 and 5-0 was all because of the refs

I would pause if I were you as well:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ccused-pressuring-ex-LaLiga-referee-2010.html

 

[FrankFoot]

That was the 1st one, not the 5th. The other 4 were all at the end of the season, in the span of two weeks.

That was Jose's early days vs Pep's 3rd year at Barca, not a fair comparison.

You might be right, I tried to keep the things as it was.

You're looking at it with the wrong lense (United fan watching his team get a reality check). Pep's Barca struggled in quite a few KO games, even against inferior sides (unlike Zizou's Madrid).

City played better CL football in 2022 than Pep's Barca in 2011, but they were playing against a super experienced side with multiple CLs under their belt, and there was no Ovrebo to bail them out.

Guardiola's City literally got knocked by Lyon, Tottenham, and Monaco in the UCL.
The way they have bottled the UCL it's only comparable to PSG.

I know you are a Madrid fan, but it's ridiculous that anybody thinks that Guardiola's City is better than Pep's Barca, only a Madrid fan would say that, cause at no point Guardiola's City has reached Barca level.

And Zidane's Real was very lucky a bunch of times in the UCL, i remember that game against Juve in Bernabéu, got dominated the whole game and qualified thanks a dubious penalty in the last minute.

It doesn't matter at the end, City bottled a big lead in 10 minutes, just because it was against Real Madrid doesn't make it any better... bottling is bottling, and Madrid was playing like shit for 75 minutes, and even before Madrid scored City missed a bunch of sitters.

 

[SirReginald]

Guardiola's City literally got knocked by Lyon, Tottenham, and Monaco in the UCL.
The way they have bottled the UCL it's only comparable to PSG.

I know you are a Madrid fan, but it's ridiculous that anybody thinks that Guardiola's City is better than Pep's Barca, only a Madrid fan would say that, cause at no point Guardiola's City has reached Barca level.

And Zidane's Real was very lucky a bunch of times in the UCL, i remember that game against Juve in Bernabéu, got dominated the whole game and qualified thanks a dubious penalty in the last minute.

It doesn't matter at the end, City bottled a big lead in 10 minutes, just because it was against Real Madrid doesn't make it any better... bottling is bottling, and Madrid was playing like shit for 75 minutes, and even before Madrid scored City missed a bunch of sitters.

Pep himself has become a better manager. He even believes coming to England improved his coaching style and skill. City though.. I think they peaked a couple of years back and would not have come close, ultimately that particular Barcelona side were a freak of nature. I believe only peak Bayern of a few years ago would have seriously given them a real challenge because of how direct and fast their style was. Any team attempting tippy tappy football would have been dismantled without breaking a sweat.

 

[Mr.Fantastic]

Guardiola's City literally got knocked by Lyon, Tottenham, and Monaco in the UCL.
The way they have bottled the UCL it's only comparable to PSG.

I know you are a Madrid fan, but it's ridiculous that anybody thinks that Guardiola's City is better than Pep's Barca, only a Madrid fan would say that, cause at no point Guardiola's City has reached Barca level.

And Zidane's Real was very lucky a bunch of times in the UCL, i remember that game against Juve in Bernabéu, got dominated the whole game and qualified thanks a dubious penalty in the last minute.

It doesn't matter at the end, City bottled a big lead in 10 minutes, just because it was against Real Madrid doesn't make it any better... bottling is bottling, and Madrid was playing like shit for 75 minutes, and even before Madrid scored City missed a bunch of sitters.

Start from behind equals "dubious" penalty. Team which achieved unprecedented success and completely shat on results of so called "peak Barca", was very "lucky" despite beating every top opponent you can imagine. The shit you read here. To be honest i would love to see Pep`s passing cattenacio returning, just for people to realize how archaic it has become in terms of modern football.

Also fck Pep. Hope that bald feck gets destroyed by Bayern and goes back to Barca.

 

[giorno]

Eeeh. That particular barcelona side(10/11?) the one who was really struggling against arsenal then Van Persie got sent off and they equalized the tie 2 minutes later? The one that couldn't score if the game lasted a year at the bernabeu then Pepe had a psycothic episode, got sent off and real madrid collectively had a meltdown?

It was a great side for sure, it was also lucky in that it got the bounces whenever it needed them. For comparison, City going out to Liverpool with an offside goal(Salah), a disallowed goal for offside that didn't look it(sterling) and one of the most scandalous disallowed goals ever seen(Sane)? Or going out to a goal that directly lead to IFAB changing the handball rules(Llorente)?

Real Madrid last season we were a team of destiny, nobody and nothing was gonna stop us like chelsea 2012

Mostly, the main difference between Guardiola's Barceloa and Guardiola's Bayern or City is that Barcelona were revolutionary, the modern day equivalent of Sacchi's milan. They were years ahead of their time and forced the rest of the world to adapt, but once the world did adapt, both Pep and Barcelona had to evolve/change to stay at the top

 

[MVBDX]

Guardiola's City literally got knocked by Lyon, Tottenham, and Monaco in the UCL.
The way they have bottled the UCL it's only comparable to PSG.

I know you are a Madrid fan, but it's ridiculous that anybody thinks that Guardiola's City is better than Pep's Barca, only a Madrid fan would say that, cause at no point Guardiola's City has reached Barca level.

And Zidane's Real was very lucky a bunch of times in the UCL, i remember that game against Juve in Bernabéu, got dominated the whole game and qualified thanks a dubious penalty in the last minute.

It doesn't matter at the end, City bottled a big lead in 10 minutes, just because it was against Real Madrid doesn't make it any better... bottling is bottling, and Madrid was playing like shit for 75 minutes, and even before Madrid scored City missed a bunch of sitters.

Pep's City has been underwhelming in Europe, who said otherwise? But "last year" they were absolutely tearing it apart, some of the best football you'd ever see, better than Barca in 2011, they were simply unlucky to face us during that time frame and Karim playing GOAT football.