Chelsea 2022/2023 | THIS IS LAST YEARS THREAD YOU NUMPTIES

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WeePat said:
The question is, for who? Auba is even worse and David Fofana is a talented prospects who 100% needs a loan.
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I'd try to start Fofana and see what he can do. Can't get any worse. I don't think Havertz is a bad player but he's lost at Chelsea, doesn't fit you at all and anything decent you did yesterday was lost when he got the ball or it got near him.
 
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WeePat said:
The question is, for who? Auba is even worse and David Fofana is a talented prospects who 100% needs a loan.
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Utd when they had an injury crisis did well with an 18 yr old Rashford. Maybe give the lad a chance.
 
SilentWitness said:
I'd try to start Fofana and see what he can do. Can't get any worse.
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I would too, but it seems a bit unfair on him to throw him into this highly dysfunctional set up. I feel like managing the situation and stacking the odds in his favour as much as possible would be the prudent thing to do because if he doesn't do well, the pressure will only grow.

ayushreddevil9 said:
Utd when they had an injury crisis did well with an 18 yr old Rashford. Maybe give the lad a chance.
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Yes, in an ideal world that would be great. Rashford is a wonderful example to follow, not just for Fofana but Mount too. I just think throwing him in the deep end won't always work out well for the player, especially when the club is going through a crisis on the pitch.
 
WeePat said:
I would too, but it seems a bit unfair on him to throw him into this highly dysfunctional set up. I feel like managing the situation and stacking the odds in his favour as much as possible would be the prudent thing to do because if he doesn't do well, the pressure will only grow.
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While fair I think it's a risk Potter needs to take. I know both of us rate Potter and think he has the ability to turn it around but each game now is really one game away from being sacked rather than one game away from starting a run as sad as it is to say and see. I know I wish Lampard near the end just took the plunge and started Simms/a few others around the squad to try and give a lift. It's worth the risk.
 
SilentWitness said:
While fair I think it's a risk Potter needs to take. I know both of us rate Potter and think he has the ability to turn it around but each game now is really one game away from being sacked rather than one game away from starting a run as sad as it is to say and see. I know I wish Lampard near the end just took the plunge and started Simms/a few others around the squad to try and give a lift. It's worth the risk.
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I don't even disagree that Fofana should start but I'm also a bit apprehensive about just throwing him in because while I want him to get his chance, I also want it in the right circumstances and not as some kind of saviour of a team struggling to score. He's such a talented kid, from what I've seen, and I just think it needs to be managed properly.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Can they not take a look at their Leverkusen recordings to find out where he was deployed that earned him the 70m move?
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He built his reputation off of scoring goals. There were points in his final season with Leverkusen where he wasn't scoring and people were wondering what he actually brings to a match. Short answer: Nothing

Dele Alli Mk2
 
CM10 said:
He's barely a footballer
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Havertz can play, no doubt about that... but in that Chelsea team and set up, I'm not sure if you will see the best in any of those players.

Chelsea are all over the place, because of greed and daft corporate decisions. Boehly should have kept Tuchel, who was the right man for that club and those players.

Hope we can pick one or two of their casualties in the summer, because they have some v v v good footballers.
 
SilentWitness said:
I'd try to start Fofana and see what he can do. Can't get any worse. I don't think Havertz is a bad player but he's lost at Chelsea, doesn't fit you at all and anything decent you did yesterday was lost when he got the ball or it got near him.
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The thing is though, whenever I've heard we should play a player because he "can't be worse" than the current placeholder he usually is.

I remember it being said for Emerson when Alonso was playing bad and Baba when Ivan totally lost it but on both occasions they came in and quickly shown exactly why the other one was being persisted with despite their poor form.
 
Dancfc said:
The thing is though, whenever I've heard we should play a player because he "can't be worse" than the current placeholder he usually is.

I remember it being said for Emerson when Alonso was playing bad and Baba when Ivan totally lost it but on both occasions they came in and quickly shown exactly why the other one was being persisted with despite their poor form.
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In this case Havertz is not a striker at all whereas Fofana actually is.
 
Jeffthered said:
Havertz can play, no doubt about that... but in that Chelsea team and set up, I'm not sure if you will see the best in any of those players.

Chelsea are all over the place, because of greed and daft corporate decisions. Boehly should have kept Tuchel, who was the right man for that club and those players.

Hope we can pick one or two of their casualties in the summer, because they have some v v v good footballers.
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He came from Germany with a huge reputation and has failed to make an impression under three successive managers. I accept that Lampard and Potter probably haven't cultivated the best environment for their players to thrive in but Havertz has been at Chelsea for 3 years and I'm yet to see anything to convince me he's anything special. Even if Havertz hadn't produced at a consistent level, you would've expected to see some flashes of brilliance if he was really that good. He looks extremely ordinary to me.
 
4 wins in their last 17 games. Scored 7 goals in that run. Failed to score in their last 14 games. That's diabolical and yet considering the money spent by them you barely here about them in the media. That run is far worse than our worst runs post SAF.
 
Leonzo1 said:
4 wins in their last 17 games. Scored 7 goals in that run. Failed to score in their last 14 games. That's diabolical and yet considering the money spent by them you barely here about them in the media. That run is far worse than our worst runs post SAF.
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:eek:
 
Leonzo1 said:
4 wins in their last 17 games. Scored 7 goals in that run. Failed to score in their last 14 games. That's diabolical and yet considering the money spent by them you barely here about them in the media. That run is far worse than our worst runs post SAF.
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They scored against West Ham four games ago?

Reading through it they've scored 4 in all competitions in 2023. I knew they'd return to mediocrity when Roman left but I didn't expect this :lol:
 
Leonzo1 said:
4 wins in their last 17 games. Scored 7 goals in that run. Failed to score in their last 14 games. That's diabolical and yet considering the money spent by them you barely here about them in the media. That run is far worse than our worst runs post SAF.
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We're doing shit enough without you making up bollocks like that!
 
I see people piling on the different Chelsea players.

I think our situation last year and now should clearly show how a poor manager can affect things so badly.

Once they get someone like Enrique in you'll see a massive difference. Hopefully they'll get Pochettino instead.
 
Scroto Baggins said:
Im not sure what Havertz is, for me he does not seem like a striker or forward, more an ACM, like an Eriksen.
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At least that is where I think he was at his best for Leverkusen. I know he already played striker on occasion for them but never really convinced me he was all that good at it. The problem is Chelsea now has 3 players who are all best in the middle behind the striker and have no leading striker, so squeezing them all into one team doesn't seem to work at all for Chelsea.
 
mav_9me said:
I see people piling on the different Chelsea players.

I think our situation last year and now should clearly show how a poor manager can affect things so badly.

Once they get someone like Enrique in you'll see a massive difference. Hopefully they'll get Pochettino instead.
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Thats my worry. If they get in a manager who can actually handle the job then they will be a much better team.

So hopefully they keep going as they are with Potter instead.
 
Scottynaldinho said:
Bold prediction. Chelsea will win the league next season and Potters will still be the manager.
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Quoting for the record.

Chelsea might well win the league next year but Potter won't even be the manager by the time we play them next.
 
Once Potter goes and if they get the right person in to replace him, a lot of the players who look useless now will start producing more. Well apart from the actual useless ones, like Sterling and the walking mop fullback. I don't think it's fair to write off every underperforming player as useless when the environment doesn't allow any player to thrive or build up any confidence.

I also don't think Potter is necessarily a bad manager but he's come in at the wrong time. He's been given a mess and isn't doing anything to show he knows how to unravel it. Every game the team and plan is different and he obviously has no control or authority over transfers etc. so even if he did have the ability to, he doesn't have the remit to wield a "my way or the highway" axe around ala Ten Hag, Pep, Arteta, etc.

It'll be better for someone to come in fresh and have the ability to put a plan together without it being scuppered by another 3 signings appearing every week after already having built up rapport with the person they're there to replace.

They'll be criticised to the hilt when they sack Potter but I don't get what reason there is to hang on to a manager when they are clearly drowning. It doesn't help the club and it doesn't help the manager either.

Leonzo1 said:
4 wins in their last 17 games. Scored 7 goals in that run. Failed to score in their last 14 games. That's diabolical and yet considering the money spent by them you barely here about them in the media. That run is far worse than our worst runs post SAF.
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They've dropped so far they've gone into the irrelevant/"Aston Villa" zone of the league tqble where there is no real reason to care or report on any of their results.
 
mav_9me said:
I see people piling on the different Chelsea players.

I think our situation last year and now should clearly show how a poor manager can affect things so badly.

Once they get someone like Enrique in you'll see a massive difference. Hopefully they'll get Pochettino instead.
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Please let them get Enrique over Poch, that's got disaster written all over it.
 
Perhaps Graham Potter has a “Moyes” type of clause in his contract which reduces the amount of money he receives in case he is sacked once Chelsea can’t mathematically finish in the top4?

Sometimes the simplest solution is the best at that given moment, they clearly can’t score goals, then why not play 2 up top in a 4-4-2 or a 3-5-2? Fofana or Sterling and Felix as a second forward could work theoretically.

They have some good players, last season everyone thought that the likes of AWB, Dalot, Shaw and Fred were a poor excuse for a footballer and unworthy of the shirt, people thought that Rashford was finished, a top manager can change things very quickly, and well, no one knows that better than Chelsea supporters.
 
Its a bit of a mess. By the time loans return in the summer they will have 36 players plus youth guys like colwill and maatsen who are having good loans.

i know they’ve had injuries but the signings has been bizarre. Tuchel/potter liked a 3421/3412 and they’ve signed shedloads of wingers.

Also its been a bit of a waitrose trolley dash for players and its strange because not all of them are going to be hits. They need to trim the squad and whoever is in charge just needs to pick a system, stick to it and get an idea of their best 11 and work from there.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Because he wasn't willing to let the new board control the signings, instead of the management team. Potter on the other hand, is a yes man.
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You clearly haven't done your homework on Tuchel then because solely focusing on coaching while the higher ups deal with all the other stuff would literally be his dream job.
 
Dancfc said:
You clearly haven't done your homework on Tuchel then because solely focusing on coaching while the higher ups deal with all the other stuff would literally be his dream job.
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More likely he didn't have time to waste talking about the owners 443 formation and was blunt enough to say so.
 
Strootman's Finger said:
Please let them get Enrique over Poch, that's got disaster written all over it.
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I should clarify. If they get Enrique and let him work, it can be great for them. But I think he is too fiercely independent to work with their ownership. In which case it will be a disaster.
 
Dancfc said:
You clearly haven't done your homework on Tuchel then because solely focusing on coaching while the higher ups deal with all the other stuff would literally be his dream job.
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How come they sacked him?
 
mav_9me said:
How come they sacked him?
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Not an expert but they wanted a partnership and close working relationship with their manager and to be involved in every level of the club. He wanted to be left alone to manage the team and ignore the other stuff.
 
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