Whom are you refering to? Do you mean me?
Chelsea appoint Thomas Tuchel
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I said it in different thread, I enjoy the German members perspective...even when Hansi is drunk!
I think telling people what they what they are and aren't allowed to post is a big hobby of his. It's nothing personal.
Do you not field 3 CBs + wingbacks for the most part since Tuchel arrived?
Lmfao emersons last second goal took away the winnings of 250k for a super 6 player on skybet
Anyone who wants to keep derailing threads to have a swipe at United. Oddly in the FF it seems to be a regular thing with German posters.
Not really. It just gets tedious. As I say, if people have such a deep rooted dislike of United the mind boggles as to why they'd join the biggest United forum, or any United forum, to discuss football.
Unless they just liked to wind people up. In that case the mods should look to get rid.
Wingbacks play up the field in the attack. They only fall back when the opponent has possession. Lampard used them more defensively when he played a back three.
Exactly. We've mostly played 3 at the back and a couple of times 4.
I've never heard the formation we are playing called "5 at the back". It's always referred to as a back 3.
@TheReligion I have to say that I find it very troubling that you would keep appearing with menacing and aggressive attacks, indiscriminately refering to posters' nationality.
I have no idea why you feel the need to take such an obsessive, aggressive, bullying approach and tone, which especially in connection with wielding the sword of moderator action is emitting a cloud of toxicity.
Especially since your claim of posters 'derailing the thread' by taking 'pot shots at Man United' is objectively wrong if you look at the order of posts and in what context Man United was mentioned by whom, and then you enrich it with the ominous pointing at "German posters"
You display some worrying attitude of grievance-seeking and aggression.
I have no idea why you feel the need to take such an obsessive, aggressive, bullying approach and tone, which especially in connection with wielding the sword of moderator action is emitting a cloud of toxicity.
Especially since your claim of posters 'derailing the thread' by taking 'pot shots at Man United' is objectively wrong if you look at the order of posts and in what context Man United was mentioned by whom, and then you enrich it with the ominous pointing at "German posters"
You display some worrying attitude of grievance-seeking and aggression.
But it is 5 defenders, right? I mean out of the 4 wingbacks you've been mostly using, 3 of them are full backs, the other being Hudson-Odoi?
If you've watched us play you'll know that they spend more time in the opposing half than their own.
Saying Chelsea play with a "back 5" is just wrong, which is why everybody else on the planet correctly calls it a "back 3" or "three at the back".
Bad on our manager?
You would be wanting manager sacked if we were playing with 5 defenders every game.
Stop with the agenda.
Not the way they are being used in the games. CHO and Alonso are used to widen our attack so that Werner, Havretz, and Ziyech make runs behind the defense. They are being used as attacking players. When Lampard used a back three he would have the midfielders more involved with the attack and the wing backs were not as far forward so they were getting back faster. It left us weak in the middle and teams exploited it. Tuchel uses the double pivot to force opponents to attack to the outside. The midfield is involved in the attack, but the wingbacks are more involved.
Well, it depends on the opponents. United managed to keep your wingbacks back a lot of the time, particularly CHO. Liverpool kept them further back again and I imagine other top teams will mostly do the same.
For what it's worth, I call it a back 3 myself, but it's not really a crazy thing to call it a back 5.
The fact remains that Tuchel has added a centre back, and replaced wingers and full backs with wingbacks. It's definitely a more defensively solid team/approach than what Lampard was aiming for.
Have you read the thread title?
Yes but there's people talking about Chelsea, Man United, Dortmund and PSG just on the last couple of pages.
"Back 5" to describe this Chelsea setup is a very odd description, sorry I didn't get what you meant.
Everyone calls it a back 3. Literally everyone apart from one poster.
We'll call that a guilty conscience on your part I think.
As I say. I'm sure it's all being noted.
Wow. Really?
You are playing two defenders at RWB and LWB and a CDM. It should be called 7 at the back!
You made the list. Francis has noted it.
Which of our games under Tuchel do you think we've gone in playing ultra defensive? We may be playing with a 3 back system, but it is the most offensive 3 back formation you'll ever see. Watch the average positions of our wide CB Azpi and Rudiger against ATM for example. We keep a very high line and press a lot in midfield.
We also keep the ball a lot because it is probably the most sensible thing any big team should be able to do. This means that the opposition will have to produce something special to hurt us the rare moments they manage to win back the ball. Check out Barca (2007-present), Bayern (2011-present), City (2016-present).
Only few big teams have managed successful without being a purely possession oriented team, United (days of Fergie), Real Madrid (2009-present) and Liverpool now.
Suddenly Chelsea doesn't look like shit, Tuchel is pragmatic but he's a good coach. Would have taken him any day. I think Chelsea will improve drastically next season.
To be honest, I love what I see, but the jury is out until we lose a few games. Perhaps he has mellowed, but his past shows this is when the disagreeable Tuchel comes out.
It would be great if that scenario never occured.
It would be great if that scenario never occured.
I can see why people are arguing about whether to call it a back three or back five, but in the end seeing Alonso and CHO play on the wings should answer any question about whether it signifies a lack of attacking intent.
Real Madrid definitely adapted elements of the Barca style during their CL winning years. They played Kroos and Modric in midfield, probably the pairing closest to Xavi and Iniesta as of yet. You could also add Spain and Germany to that which are probably the two most successful national teams since 2008.
I don't think top teams have much of a choice to be honest. Possession is forced upon you with so much quality in the team, like it or not.
I have not said you are ultra defensive. I said it's not rocket science that you are more defensively stable after adding more defensively capable players to your starting XI, along with improving your possession play.
I haven't said anything extraordinary, just as Tuchel hasn't done anything revolutionary like some seem to think because Chelsea have all of a sudden stopped leaking goals. He's applied a simple solution to a simple problem.
.Who's Francis?
And why is it so difficult to understand that this is a great, rewarding place to discuss Premier League football and football in general, and even matters beyond football, probably the best there is; and it's not that weird or sinister that people who don't support Man United but are interested in the exchange would be wanting to join and post. And then a thread about Tuchel would attract increased attention and the urge to contribute from us, the German contingent, fair enough if one might find that ridiculous, but it's not really that surprising is it.
Should start short term banning posters who turn this into Ole vs Tuchel thread. Someone should start an Ole versus X, Y, Z thread where people can argue to their heart's content.
1980s Movie Stripes with Bill Murray reference. The Francis character was constantly making a list of people he would report.
Stop pretending you're innocent you undercover wum. That was malicious of you and you know it. You're guest here, behave!
Totally untrue the Chelsea players supposedly were reporting discontent with Lampard with club hierarchy if news is correct alongside the same thing happening under Mourinho. I think the temperament in the modern game for players is completely different to the past. No matter how it's explained managers are more disposable than the players.
Maybe its just me but non United fans in here dont bother me one bit, nor what they post ( having digs at United or not ). If people cant take it, just put them on ignore.
Player power exists to some extent at every successful club.
As Roy Keane once said you don't win titles with choir boys.
Same here, I find the non-United fans here quite reasonable for the most part.
Do you really compare unhappy players after the coach allegedly didn't talk to them for months with Mbappe, Neymar, Dani Alves, Di Maria, Paredes or Verratti? Come on. I really like the PSG team but they're definitely divas. Much more so than the Chelsea team. I don't even know who even qualifies in this squad - Hudon-Odoi? [Irrelevant point] maybe?
Wing backs and full backs are two different functions. The full backs have to always maintain balance aiding the back line of the defensive two center half's, so there's more focus to defend.
Wing backs overlap and have far more freedom to roam attacking lines due to the presence of either side of the back-three, posing less risk if the opposition retain the ball against the run of play. I think the biggest importance is coaching the back three defensively, as we have seen with Solskjaer at times if the wing backs are too wide or narrow defensively the opponent will either overload the wide areas causing the team to become narrow leaving spaces.
This is from The Athletic
https://theathletic.com/2298337/202...marina-unhappy-players-and-secret-job-offers/
Yeah, this probably happens at every big club with star players. It's notorious for Real Madrid or the 90s teams of Bayern, and even recently Uli Hoeneß told the story of how Ribéry called him angrily to complain after every single game he was subbed off (no matter the coach).
We never know what's really going on, what's made up and what's blown out of proportion, but what could clearly be seen was how Lampard took the approach to put himself above the players in his public interviews; to make clear that they had to reach a level where he already exists; everyone noticed that and everyone could guess that it might spell trouble for him, considering he could hardly hide he was learning on the job, too.
So in a way, it was Lampard who insisted on a kind of publicly fought out struggle players vs manager, and if I had to guess why he did that, I'd say he thought it was the best way to make clear the ambitions he wanted to set, and to actively welcome and approve an atmosphere of pressure to win.
I could imagine that since he couldn't draw on experience in how to handle a group of players (as he has none), in terms of the balance of cuddling/supporting/protecting them and provoking/challenging/being demanding of them, he modeled his public approach on that of Mourinho, the manager who embodies success at Chelsea and always takes great care to cultivate the image of being a winner who demands only the best.
Problem is 1) he is no Mourinho and hasn't the record to point to 2) this works not even for Mourinho if you can't simultaneously produce clear solutions for the players on the training ground and in coaching.
And in the end, like with Mourinho, he came across like it hurt his ego that the players weren't as successful as he deserved, which just doesn't fly.
But sooner or later, also Tuchel will run into trouble, he's got it in him too.
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