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The fact this is in the sports forums is offensive
It’s a game at best.
It’s a game at best.
STFU.The fact this is in the sports forums is offensive
It’s a game at best.
It’s alongside cluedo, monopoly and mouse trap.STFU.
Don't you have Arsenal fans to troll?It’s alongside cluedo, monopoly and mouse trap.
Check-mateDon't you have Arsenal fans to troll?
Interestingly the misstep is due to something else. According to Chess.com the reason they decided to investigate further and publish the result predates the interview, it's because they decided to not invite Niemann to their 1m prize money tournament and Niemann didn't understood why. He seemingly misstepped before we knew that he misstepped.That interview he gave was such a misstep.
Downplaying his cheating while admitting that Chess.com have the best anti-cheating software, only for Chess.com to then say he had actually cheated upwards of 100 times. With the pressure only really having come on Chess.com to make a response because Hans made the fact that they had banned him again public knowledge.
When you've been accused of something, there's a lot to be said for saying as little as possible.
I wouldn't be so sure about that yet. Chess.com themselves are open to talking to him and for some reason they themselves make a distinction between cheating online and otb - as an online chess company...Isn’t that him done? How can he possibly recover from that? His reputation is that of a full-on cheat.
Can't possibly come back from this.Isn’t that him done? How can he possibly recover from that? His reputation is that of a full-on cheat.
Players at 24: it’s free real estate!Again, i don't think he cheated in the tournament. But i do think he gets an unfair psycological advantage over his opponents by being a known cheater.
I honestly think any professional who cheats should be permanently banned if they do it after age 25, and banned until aged 25 if they do it before.
Got to make use of the advantages they can get.Players at 24: it’s free real estate!
- so he cheated a shitload till the end of 2020, including in price money events. It took chess.com years to react and he didn't get a perma ban?Our investigation has revealed that while there has been some noteworthy online play that has caught our attention as suspicious since August 2020, we are unaware of any evidence that Hans has engaged in online cheating since then. Our investigation has concluded that he did, however, cheat much more than he has publicly admitted to, including in many prize events, at least 25 streamed games, and 100+ rated games on Chess.com, as recently as when he was 17 years old.
If I'm not mistaken, he moved permanently to Lichess after his last ban and came back this year.skimming through the report the following passage is noteworthy (page 20 / conclusion):
- so he cheated a shitload till the end of 2020, including in price money events. It took chess.com years to react and he didn't get a perma ban?
- Apparently many other top players have also been cheating and got caught (Table2).
- After 2020 chess.com didn't find any game, where Hans Niemann cheated, which is genuinely surprising. So he stops cheating online but is supposed to start cheating OTB? Or did he just stop playing on chess.com and continued somewhere else?
- chess.com disregards some of the analysis that are floating around online, while these "reports" got lots of attention, even from some known top players (page 17: " We have concluded that the methodology and the underlying tools used in those analyses do not meet our standard."). So its pretty easy to get on the wrong track.
- at least at first glance figure E needs some explaining. That being said, Figure F is not plotted well so I am not sure how strange these rating strength plateaus really are.
thanks. that makes sense. It would be really interesting to know if he continued cheating on lichess.If I'm not mistaken, he moved permanently to Lichess after his last ban and came back this year.
He's playing victim when he's been shown to be a liar - not a wise move. If he keeps it up he won't be getting invites to tournaments especially if Magnus is there as he's said he won't play him again. Also it doesn't do much to dispel the accusation of him not being able to talk about his games with 2700 knowledge if he refuses to talk about the games at all. If he loses this game to Scott he's going to be 1W 1D 1L and all he's done to endear himself is to be a bellend to the casters. As Hikaru mentioned when he went over his game, it wasn't even a beautiful game there were a few blunders on both sides so even his cockiness is misplaced.Hans has started the US championship strongly with a good win over Christopher Yoo.
I think his post match interview was a little counterproductive though. May have been better to forgo an interview altogether if he was going to come out like that, making a few cocky comments then refusing any questions. Not sure how it advances his case or makes him a guy you want at your tournament, even if he somehow comes through this. Quite an isolating move.
He can hardly give actual interviews, because that would confront him with the fact that chess.com outed him as a cheater in prize money games and a liar. Trolling is the only option he has left. Once his 15 minutes of fame are over I'm not sure being a cocky cheater will be such a big draw for organizers, especially not if his invite comes at the expense of Magnus withdrawing.Why should Don Hans give long interviews just so that armchair psychologists can make hour long body language analysis on youtube?
The chess speaks for itself and way more people are tuning in for his games than otherwise, an excellent outcome for organizers. If I'm holding a tournament I'm inviting him, irrespective of interviews.
I meant talking about the games itself. Pretty sure he has lawyered up already with regards to the chess.com situation and obviously won't talk about that which is completely normal.He can hardly give actual interviews, because that would confront him with the fact that chess.com outed him as a cheater in prize money games and a liar. Trolling is the only option he has left. Once his 15 minutes of fame are over I'm not sure being a cocky cheater will be such a big draw for organizers, especially not if his invite comes at the expense of Magnus withdrawing.
He won't, because when he does all the super GMs scratch their heads and ask why he isn't able to talk about chess in a way that reflects his rating. This is a perfect excuse for him to avoid doing it.Why should Don Hans give long interviews just so that armchair psychologists can make hour long body language analysis on youtube?
The chess speaks for itself and way more people are tuning in for his games than otherwise, an excellent outcome for organizers. If I'm holding a tournament I'm inviting him, irrespective of interviews.
Never heard an anus described as a gate before.#beadgate
Buckle up.Never heard an anus described as a gate before.
Yeah, but that's nonsense. This argument came up after hour long games against Carlsen and Firouzja where he was clearly tired and in the latter case under extreme pressure after the Nr1 in the world effectively called him a cheater.He won't, because when he does all the super GMs scratch their heads and ask why he isn't able to talk about chess in a way that reflects his rating. This is a perfect excuse for him to avoid doing it.
Nobody is arguing that he's not a GM player or capable. The argument seems to be that his rating is actually around 2500 but he's inflated it via cheating and can no longer talk about chess at that level. Multiple GMs are constantly surprised by his move choices, calling them bizarre. His online play is pretty much undeniable, he's cheated extensively online it's just to what extent does that translate to OTB. If he's a 2700 rated player OTB where he can beat the world champion and end his 53 game win streak as black without even concentrating, then he would have no need to cheat online where spotting moves is infinitely easier, not to mention playing against lesser opposition. He is quite obviously not a legit 2700 player otherwise he'd be able to talk about Chess from that perspective and he can't, and he quite obviously just by observing his play is not the greatest rising Chess player of all time, which is what his stats state.Yeah, but that's nonsense. This argument came up after hour long games against Carlsen and Firouzja where he was clearly tired and in the latter case under extreme pressure after the Nr1 in the world effectively called him a cheater.
Multiple top GMs since then have said it's completely normal to be quite incoherent in game analysis after hours of concentration.
If he were a donkey just running stockfish lines that he doesn't understand he would've been busted long time ago.
He's clearly GM level and a capable player, just remains to be seen if really a legit 2700+ one.
All that is irrelevant to the original point you made: That he would get exposed trying to analyse his games as not being good enough. And that is not the case and just an armchair observation because of his ramblings after the Firouzja game.Nobody is arguing that he's not a GM player or capable. The argument seems to be that his rating is actually around 2500 but he's inflated it via cheating and can no longer talk about chess at that level. Multiple GMs are constantly surprised by his move choices, calling them bizarre. His online play is pretty much undeniable, he's cheated extensively online it's just to what extent does that translate to OTB. If he's a 2700 rated player OTB where he can beat the world champion and end his 53 game win streak as black without even concentrating, then he would have no need to cheat online where spotting moves is infinitely easier, not to mention playing against lesser opposition. He is quite obviously not a legit 2700 player otherwise he'd be able to talk about Chess from that perspective and he can't, and he quite obviously just by observing his play is not the greatest rising Chess player of all time, which is what his stats state.
The Stockfish lines argument is a strawman I think, again nobody is stating that, that he's just using Stockfish all game. The 2700+ GMs are all in agreement that a GM using Stockfish one single time per game in a critical moment would be almost impossible to detect and would have a huge advantage, nobody is accusing him of what you just said.
Now all eyes are on him in the current championships with more intense anti cheat measures he's playing below what he was displaying previously, even his win contained blunders and in his current game he blundered an endgame draw into what's looking like a loss by giving Fabiano an obvious fork. He's playing poorly and unwilling to talk about his games, at the end of the day if it looks like a duck...
Didn't he say some odd stuff after the Magnus game, too? Like supposedly having coincidentally studied the precise line which the game followed based on some rapid game from years ago, which he mislabeled and which only got there by transposition? But even then his move times in the opening didn't match those you usually see from a well prepared player?All that is irrelevant to the original point you made: That he would get exposed trying to analyse his games as not being good enough. And that is not the case and just an armchair observation because of his ramblings after the Firouzja game.
His explanation right after the game seemed a bit random but when he clarified a couple of days later it wasn't really outlandish. Magnus likes to play the Catalan, he studied variations of that and variants that can be reached through transpositions - and got lucky. Fabiano, the second best player of this generation, said that explanation made absolute sense to him.Didn't he say some odd stuff after the Magnus game, too? Like supposedly having coincidentally studied the precise line which the game followed based on some rapid game from years ago, which he mislabeled and which only got there by transposition? But even then his move times in the opening didn't match those you usually see from a well prepared player?
If "everyone" already believes that he's a cheater, who can't handle an interview, it's not going to change by dodging them. On the other hand he might change some minds if he actually showed sound analysis post match.His explanation right after the game seemed a bit random but when he clarified a couple of days later it wasn't really outlandish. Magnus likes to play the Catalan, he studied variations of that and variants that can be reached through transpositions - and got lucky. Fabiano, the second best player of this generation, said that explanation made absolute sense to him.
That's what I'm saying. The guy quite likely cheated OTB in the last two years but irrespective of that, there's no benefit for him to do any interviews because every self-declared chess expert, statistician or armchair psychologist will jump onto the interview and over-analyse every word he says. I'd tell everyone to feck themselves in his position as well.