It's never not been discussed, this is a paranoid myth from supporters desperate for state ownership, along with a load of baseless racism accusations, because they want to buy a United shirt with Mpappe on the back.Surprised by the number of journalists referring to financial doping. Thought it would be whitewashed.
Got sources estimating Man City's non-local support?Most common shirt I see now in Asia is Mbappe or Halaand.
Your point being?Most common shirt I see now in Asia is Mbappe or Halaand.
PSG are 8th and City are 10th: https://sportsbrief.com/football/32449-a-ranked-list-10-selling-soccer-jerseys-world/Got sources estimating Man City's non-local support?
Your personal opinion means nothing.
For all we know saw 20 Mbappe jerseys in a pub during the WC plus one Halaand jersey in the mirror and came to this conclusion.
They have decent international support now. Haaland has definitely taken them up a level.Your point being?
What’s worse than the simulation we are living in now? English football doesn’t want this, I don’t know why purging the cheating is seen as a bad thingCity cannot be found guilty. The repercussions for English football would be too much at this stage.
It depends on the evidence the PL has. We have seen City is a pretty efficient operation. Hopefully they slipped up and left serious evidence but I doubt it. They really need to be reigned in, having more commercial revenue than United and Liverpool is a p**** take.City cannot be found guilty. The repercussions for English football would be too much at this stage.
In my kids team in Norfolk/Suffolk (the field they play in literally straddles the border), there’s a fair smattering of Ipswich and Norwich shirts. Last time I took him the only ‘big’ team shirts were perhaps one Arsenal and two or three Man City. This is all under 10s though. So the support is there amongst the kids, but I think it’ll take a generation before this really hits home.PSG are 8th and City are 10th: https://sportsbrief.com/football/32449-a-ranked-list-10-selling-soccer-jerseys-world/
To be fair in middle east you would see many more City and PSG shirts than anywhere else.
Haaland has cornered the kids market for sure. My neighbour's son in Oxfordshire went from a C Ronaldo shirt to a Haaland shirt. Really can't figure that out.In my kids team in Norfolk/Suffolk (the field they play in literally straddles the border), there’s a fair smattering of Ipswich and Norwich shirts. Last time I took him the only ‘big’ team shirts were perhaps one Arsenal and two or three Man City. This is all under 10s though. So the support is there amongst the kids, but I think it’ll take a generation before this really hits home.
That's how severe tumours work. Ignore it for as long as possible despite numerous doctor's warnings, then when it's 'time to do something about it', just shrug your shoulders and say well that's just how it is. No one could have prevented it.City cannot be found guilty. The repercussions for English football would be too much at this stage.
I'm also in Oxfordshire and have seen quite a few schoolkids in Man City shirts over the past couple of years, something you obviously wouldn't have seen when I was growing up. It's always literally primary school kids, or up to maximum age 13 though.Haaland has cornered the kids market for sure. My neighbour in Oxfordshire went from a C Ronaldo shirt to a Haaland shirt. Really can't figure that out.
Buvey, tbh he is really funny and a good WUMI'm also in Oxfordshire and have seen quite a few schoolkids in Man City shirts over the past couple of years, something you obviously wouldn't have seen when I was growing up. It's always literally primary school kids, or up to maximum age 13 though.
City's most well-known YouTube 'pundit' fan who knocks around with Rory Jennings etc seems to have some kind of Bristolian (?) accent
They're definitely spreading but the generational nature of football support in England means it'll take way longer than growing a foreign fanbase does.
PL, English football sowing: Haha feck yeah, yes!!!City cannot be found guilty. The repercussions for English football would be too much at this stage.
This is what I think too. They will be found guilty of some charges and be given either a fine or a small points deduction but nothing too significant like relegation or retrospective action.City cannot be found guilty. The repercussions for English football would be too much at this stage.
If (and big if) they are found guilty of significant offenses the PL has to lay the hammer down. Otherwise whatever rules they are found guilty of violating, are deemed useless. Yes, they tarnish their brand in the process but that is what happens when you lie with fleasThis is what I think too. They will be found guilty of some charges and be given either a fine or a small points deduction but nothing too significant like relegation or retrospective action.
There's no good outcome out of this.
There's zero chance of City getting a hefty punishment when they are owned by a state that's a key ally of the UK and contribute billions to the UK economy.PSG are 8th and City are 10th: https://sportsbrief.com/football/32449-a-ranked-list-10-selling-soccer-jerseys-world/
To be fair in middle east you would see many more City and PSG shirts than anywhere else.
It's not completely bizzare. As writers from the Guardian and the Athletic put it, the contrast between City and Chelsea (can swap out Chelsea for United) rubbish any suggestions City's current status is solely due to money spent, or the very concept of "financial doping".I find this argument coming through where people are comparing what United have spent v what City have spent totally bizarre.
we have been shit in the transfer market in recent years. Everyone knows it. But the comparison is utterly irrelevant.
the difference being that we have still spent within the FFP rules (we have just spent very poorly) City quite clearly haven’t.
I'm not sure he has that power, and any leak of that happening would be a massive scandal.There's zero chance of City getting a hefty punishment when they are owned by a state that's a key ally of the UK and contribute billions to the UK economy.
Rishi Sunak would immediately on the phone to make those charges go away, that's if he hasn't already.
This is why governments and states shouldn't be allowed ownership.
It already leaked they did the same for Saudi Arabia when the Newcastle takeover bid was initially rejected. The one thing this government is good at is not worrying about being involved in scandals.I'm not sure he has that power, and any leak of that happening would be a massive scandal.
If they are found guilty, then their owners won't save them. Hence the emphasis on proving their innocence in the hearings.
Arsey, condescending retorts that treat your own opinion as factual. Aye, the "teacher" part of your name is accurate.As I mentioned in the post you are replying to, Manchester City's transfer fees and wages for this season are not contained within the 115 FFP charges, given those charges relate to the period between 2009-2018.
As I mentioned in the post you are replying to, the migrant kafala system in Qatar was abolished in 2016, so "nothing has changed" is factually incorrect.
Manchester City didn't agree to the FFP rules, they voted against them. Why should they accept being bullied out of the Premier League through mob rule?
Regarding the vastness of the inward investment itself, if such investment was properly controlled through a genuinely fair means of Financial "Fair" Play - for example a hard annual transfer fee/wage cap for all clubs - then why shouldn't they be allowed to own football clubs? As I detailed in the post you are replying to, such investment has done wonders for the growth of the league and wider English football over recent decades.
Regarding the human rights issue, I also previously detailed my thoughts in the post you're replying to, but my question to your assertion that we should just flatly ban the likes of UAE from investing in our country is-
And then what? How will that help to improve the human rights situation there?
I would doubt that we do most of the time, which is why you get worthless echo chambers like this thread.
It’s not a direct comparison though and I see it as two slightly different issues.It's not completely bizzare. As writers from the Guardian and the Athletic put it, the contrast between City and Chelsea (can swap out Chelsea for United) rubbish any suggestions City's current status is solely due to money spent, or the very concept of "financial doping".
That of course isn't an excuse for City allegedly breaking (stupid) rules they agreed to abide by and if found guilty they can't complain if the book is thrown at them.
Oh! I stand corrected then.It already leaked they did the same for Saudi Arabia when the Newcastle takeover bid was initially rejected. The one thing this government is good at is not worrying about being involved in scandals.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...er-league-to-approve-saudi-newcastle-takeover
City fake all those figures for one thing, and literally give away their shirts for another (I believe sent to all sorts of American colleges in order to garner support)PSG are 8th and City are 10th: https://sportsbrief.com/football/32449-a-ranked-list-10-selling-soccer-jerseys-world/
To be fair in middle east you would see many more City and PSG shirts than anywhere else.
Yes it would be which is why City aren't collaborating etc, we've all seen the movies and TV shows, the first thing your lawyers tells you to do is keep your mouth shut, there's a reason for thatIs this not illegal? Like, above the level of football authorities and on the level of government tax authorities illegal?
It's going to happen unfortunately when you open the door for States to buy football teams. The Premier League, as powerful as they clearly are, can't be expected to hold governments to account.Oh! I stand corrected then.
No need for "sportswashing" when they have your PMs bent over eh?
Yes there should be and don't be so sure nothing will happen because in most circumstances that would t be tax fraudHow culpable are the players in these charges?
I know nothing will happen to them but should there be punishments for players who accept money off the books?
States and countries owning football clubs is insanely ridiculous isn't it. I put it to people "what if Germany decided to buy Manchester United", because the notion is similarly absurd.It's going to happen unfortunately when you open the door for States to buy football teams. The Premier League, as powerful as they clearly are, can't be expected to hold governments to account.
The leaked documents and emails showed, neigh, proved that Mancini was getting paid a million quid from the owners for 'consultancy' work thanks to his newly found football consultancy business.Wasn’t that the allegation against Mancini. That he was paid a second salary via shell companies?
You're missing the point. If they hadn't cheated, then Haaland wouldn't be playing for them in the first place.They have decent international support now. Haaland has definitely taken them up a level.
It's much worse than that, I am fairly sure if City hadn't cheated, Haaland would have been playing for United.You're missing the point. If they hadn't cheated, then Haaland wouldn't be playing for them in the first place.
So, again, what was your point about people wearing Haaland shirts in Asia?It's much worse than that, I am fairly sure if City hadn't cheated, Haaland would have been playing for United.
Again, you do realise that them understating their expenditure is part of the issue?If Man Utd were doing good on field, Man Utd fans wont even mention city's financial doping, but at the moment thats the only stick they are left to beat man city with. And, they dont want anyone to talk abt the fact that Man Utd's net expenditure easily matches city's or even higher....fact is pep has totally transformed man city and Man Utd are jut playing catchup game now and it can easily be decades for them before they win title, and thats why all this bitterness. Fans all over the world just want to see their teams playing fantastic football , scoring goals and winning titles...and only one team in manchester seems to be doing all that at the moment, while fans of other one are left with no choice but to badmouth city's success...
You said most of their support is local. I don't think that's true anymore.So, again, what was your point about people wearing Haaland shirts in Asia?
I said they couldn't muster more than 100 local fans to hang around outside the Emptyhad on a sunny Saturday afternoon and you start going on about fans in Asia.
Most likely it'll be a fine and banning transfers for a year or something. I don't think the punishment will be remotely as hard as it should.Not that it'll happen, but if this is a rare case where justice is served and they're found guilty (which everyone already knows they are) - how serious could it be?
Seen talk of stripping them of their titles, relegating them etc. But could those cnut moneybag owners be banned from owning a PL club?
There were 100 people outside the ground, until they won the lottery almost all their support was local. I wouldn't expect people to fly half way around the World to stand outside the ground.You said most of their support is local. I don't think that's true anymore.
You make it sound like Maguire was more expensive than Haaland... Haaland's cost (over a 5 years period) is about 300M. While Maguire cost will be less than half that (130 if we go by the reports 80 + 10M/y salary). And it is not far-fetched to think Haaland and his father might have some "consultancy fees" paid for by Abu Dhabi in the Caiman Islands or the likes...It’s not a direct comparison though and I see it as two slightly different issues.
It’s like City inflate the books to spend 60m or whatever on Haaland.
We, within the rules, spend 80m on Maguire.
