Such a fecking idiotic argument.Stop flying. Stop driving. Move house if you have to. If not you're a fecking hypocrite.
Well let's start with flying. You don't need to fly for leisure purposes do you? or at best once every few years.Such a fecking idiotic argument.
That is the kind of charge that we are going to have to implement.Well let's start with flying. You don't need to fly for leisure purposes do you? or at best once every few years.
My vasectomy alone leaves me sitting fairly pretty.Well let's start with flying. You don't need to fly for leisure purposes do you? or at best once every few years.
It's true that having few or no children is the biggest step you can make to reduce your carbon footprint, but I'm not sure that absolves you from any further action, if you care about climate change that is. Thanks for taking part in the idiotic argument anyway.My vasectomy alone leaves me sitting fairly pretty.
I’ve also halved my meat intake, but truth be told the change required can’t happen at the individual level.It's true that having few or no children is the biggest step you can make to reduce your carbon footprint, but I'm not sure that absolves you from any further action, if you care about climate change that is. Thanks for taking part in the idiotic argument anyway.
I'm no saint, I'm positively hypocritical in fact, but I do agree with @Buster15 above, strong political action needs to be taken to save us from ourselves, and I would vote for swingeing taxes on flying, for example.
Well said.It's true that having few or no children is the biggest step you can make to reduce your carbon footprint, but I'm not sure that absolves you from any further action, if you care about climate change that is. Thanks for taking part in the idiotic argument anyway.
I'm no saint, I'm positively hypocritical in fact, but I do agree with @Buster15 above, strong political action needs to be taken to save us from ourselves, and I would vote for swingeing taxes on flying, for example.
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I think we are going to need just a bit more than this.Personally I would be all in favour of a fuel duty increase providing the revenue was ring fenced to be spent directly on CC initiatives.
Yes of course I agree with you.I think we are going to need just a bit more than this.
What you're saying is kill all the pets?
Climate catastrophe isn't a pitch that will work for most* voters, because it won't affect them personally.If you want a more left wing Britain then you have to suck it up and vote Labour. You may not like it but we've got about 11 years before the world turns into a Children Of Men. So just do it......................... please.
Say what? The Great Barrier Reef is already dying as a result. The evidence is all around you to see.It's also a obnoxious myth. As in - it's not happening and will not happen.
How exactly does increasing CO2 in the atmosphere from 280 ppm (pre-industrial era), to 405 ppm (today) kill the great barrier reef? Those sea creatures breath water, not air.Say what? The Great Barrier Reef is already dying as a result. The evidence is all around you to see.
"Our oceans are an incredible carbon sink — they absorb about 25 percent of the carbon dioxide humans produce every year. But this is changing sea surface chemistry dramatically: when carbon dioxide is absorbed by the ocean, it dissolves to form carbonic acid. The result, not surprisingly, is that the ocean becomes more acidic, upsetting the delicate pH balance that millions and millions of organisms rely on."How exactly does increasing CO2 in the atmosphere from 280 ppm (pre-industrial era), to 405 ppm (today) kill the great barrier reef? Those sea creatures breath water, not air.
It increases global temperatures and the barrier reef simply can't cope with water temperature changes that quicklyHow exactly does increasing CO2 in the atmosphere from 280 ppm (pre-industrial era), to 405 ppm (today) kill the great barrier reef? Those sea creatures breath water, not air.
the temperature of the water is increasing dude.How exactly does increasing CO2 in the atmosphere from 280 ppm (pre-industrial era), to 405 ppm (today) kill the great barrier reef? Those sea creatures breath water, not air.
Two main reasons. Firstly, corals are extremely sensitive to temperature changes. More carbon in the air makes for a warmer atmosphere and this obviously has a knock on effect on water temperature - especially in the pelagic zone (shallow waters) where coral thrives. As a creature a coral exists in really tenuous symbiosis with a kind of algae. It feeds the algae CO2 and then the algae in turn provides the coral with nutrients via photosynthesis . Unfortunately (for the coral) photosynthesis also produces oxygen as waste - something that poisons the coral if it takes in more than a certain amount. Because photosynthesis is a chemical process the rate at which it progresses is largely dependent on the energy it receives. Warming waters adds energy to the system and speeds up the process. This means that at a certain temperature the algae releases more oxygen than the coral can safely take in. Whatever safety mechanisms the coral has are overwhelmed. In response the coral expels the algae and in so doing deprives itself of its main source of food. It then slowly starves to death.How exactly does increasing CO2 in the atmosphere from 280 ppm (pre-industrial era), to 405 ppm (today) kill the great barrier reef? Those sea creatures breath water, not air.
Increasing CO2 in the atmosphere increases the amount of heat that can be held in the atmosphere, which then has a knock on effect on our oceans as water retains heat longer.How exactly does increasing CO2 in the atmosphere from 280 ppm (pre-industrial era), to 405 ppm (today) kill the great barrier reef? Those sea creatures breath water, not air.
This is why basic climate science should be part of the school curriculum.How exactly does increasing CO2 in the atmosphere from 280 ppm (pre-industrial era), to 405 ppm (today) kill the great barrier reef? Those sea creatures breath water, not air.
No. Climate science should definitely not be part of the school curriculum. Because the purpose of education should be to empower kids by teaching them how to get along in, and understand the world. How to make sense of it all and use what they learn. Most kids can't do Physics, Chemistry, Biology, and Maths (including basic modeling). Without those 4, no one can do Climate Science.This is why basic climate science should be part of the school curriculum.
It is an ecosystem, where everything is connected to everything else, even if indirectly. At least, read up on why what happens in one part of the system eventually impacts other parts.
Arrrgghhh. Why did you post this before he had to read my post?This is why basic climate science should be part of the school curriculum.
It is an ecosystem, where everything is connected to everything else, even if indirectly. At least, read up on why what happens in one part of the system eventually impacts other parts.
It really, really, absolutely, is. I have literally just explained the science behind the link between CO2 emissions and global warming/climate change, and you have ignored it completely.No. Climate science should definitely not be part of the school curriculum. Because the purpose of education should be to empower kids by teaching them how to get along in, and understand the world. How to make sense of it all and use what they learn. Most kids can't do Physics, Chemistry, Biology, and Maths (including basic modeling). Without those 4, no one can do Climate Science.
Everything is not connected to everything else. Not in any meaningful way.
By it's very definition an ecosystem is connected to everything else within that system. That's what makes it a system.No. Climate science should definitely not be part of the school curriculum. Because the purpose of education should be to empower kids by teaching them how to get along in, and understand the world. How to make sense of it all and use what they learn. Most kids can't do Physics, Chemistry, Biology, and Maths (including basic modeling). Without those 4, no one can do Climate Science.
Everything is not connected to everything else. Not in any meaningful way.
Technically untrue. Earth's atmosphere does not act to store any significant heat. Our oceans do. Because:Increasing CO2 in the atmosphere increases the amount of heat that can be held in the atmosphere, which then has a knock on effect on our oceans as water retains heat longer.
Those feedback loops are in your imagination, or should I say, only in your climate models. They have never been scientifically demonstrated. Not from observation, nor by experiment. In fact positive feedback loops are ridiculously rare in nature. Only climate catastrophists have them.Increased heat in the atmosphere then also enables an increased amount of water vapour to be held in the atmosphere, which again further increases the atmosphere’s ability to retain heat. The feedback loop is in a constant increase until the levels of CO2 are reduced, and even that might not be enough because once icecaps on Siberia (which covers vast deposits of methane, far more potent to heat retention than CO2), the Antarctic and Greenland have melted, there is more water in the system to further increase the amount of heat and water vapour available.
Methane is not a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, or water vapour. Methane is an insignificant greenhouse gas. Nearly all IR absorption done by methane overlaps that done by water vapour. Our atmosphere has anything from 100 times to 10,000 times more water in it than methane. Any absorption methane can do is already done by water. Water is outstandingly, the most important greenhouse gas. We know this from experience. A clear night cools quickly (like those in the Sahara). A moist, muggy, cloudy night cools far more slowly.once icecaps on Siberia (which covers vast deposits of methane, far more potent to heat retention than CO2), the Antarctic and Greenland have melted, there is more water in the system to further increase the amount of heat and water vapour available.
I didn't begin posting climate alarm propaganda here. I feel I can't let it stay unanswered; it offends my sense of fairness. If a mod want's to move it all, fine by me.Can we move this to the climate thread?
It was a general suggestion.I didn't begin posting climate alarm propaganda here. I feel I can't let it stay unanswered; it offends my sense of fairness. If a mod want's to move it all, fine by me.
How exactly does increasing CO2 in the atmosphere from 280 ppm (pre-industrial era), to 405 ppm (today) kill the great barrier reef? Those sea creatures breath water, not air.
After stating "these creatures breathe water, not air", it's pretty difficult to take any of the scientific positions you subsequently take seriously. Literally no animals breathe water.How exactly does increasing CO2 in the atmosphere from 280 ppm (pre-industrial era), to 405 ppm (today) kill the great barrier reef? Those sea creatures breath water, not air.