mitchmouse
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Gerrard and Lumpard out!
Very honest and non condescending question, why the feck should United have signed Rice?The guy is right. Not only would Rice not choose United, West Ham would hold out for another 50-60 million pounds than what the other blokes are quoting. They don’t want to sell…and especially not to Man United. Casemiro is less than half of what Rice would have cost this year. In a vacuum, sure I’d take Rice. But the two situations are far from the same. We could buy Casemiro and two other players for what Rice was going to cost.
Long term success in football is just a series of short term of successes. Every season you start of fresh and you have the opportunity to win the same set of trophies.You can't have a long term plan without short term steps. Both go together.
Is it really any wonder there's negativity when our last signing to make a difference was probably RVP over a decade ago? There's been 48 signings since SAF retired and in my mind there's probably been only 1 that could say has been a relative success and that's Shaw. That's how bad our transfer policy has been.I’m just getting sick of this place.
We have just signed a player nominated for the Ballon d’Orr this year yet there’s idiots saying he’s past it and saying it’s an MLS signing.
When you have every single Madrid fan here telling us how good he is and the resident oppo fans on the forum saying how much of a brilliant signing he will be you have to wonder don’t you?
I’m convinced very few people watch football that much.
Oh well you put it in capitals so it must be true.The glaring hole has been having no midfielder capable of keeping the ball under pressure and adding composure to the team as a whole.
Casemiro brings NEITHER.
Not just but it's a large part of it. A long term plan is important in certain aspects, for example when it comes to the framework of your team, the way you want to play during the next 3 to 5 years, how you are going to replace a player that is already in your team. But it doesn't apply to signing a top player that is in the middle of his prime, that's a move that you are supposed to make when you don't have a player of that caliber in your team, the long term plan is now to understand how we are going to replace him in 2 to 5 years.Long term success in football is just a series of short term of successes. Every season you start of fresh and you have the opportunity to win the same set of trophies.
What long term plan? The last couple of seasons our main signings Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane, Eriksen, Casemiro, Malacia and Martinez have an average age of 28. Where's the long term planning? We're just making it up as we go along.You can't have a long term plan without short term steps. Both go together.
In your list 3 of the signings are long term, 3 are mid term and one is short term. There is nothing special about it, this isn't FM you don't sign a bunch 18 years old players and expect them to without fault reach top level within a year or two.What long term plan? The last couple of seasons our main signings Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane, Eriksen, Casemiro, Malacia and Martinez have an average age of 28. Where's the long term planning? We're just making it up as we go along.
You can’t just write off several seasons for a “proper” long term rebuild at club like Man United.What long term plan? The last couple of seasons our main signings Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane, Eriksen, Casemiro, Malacia and Martinez have an average age of 28. Where's the long term planning? We're just making it up as we go along.
For a long term plan to work we need a core base of very good young players. What's the point of bringing in Eriksen and Casemiro when they're going to be teaching players not good enough to play at United? We've been rebuilding for a decade now and nothing has worked but our transfer policy hasn't changed at all. Its still throw money at the problem and see if it'll stick instead of having a clear plan.In your list 3 of the signings are long term, 3 are mid term and one is short term. There is nothing special about it, this isn't FM you don't sign a bunch 18 years old players and expect them to without fault reach top level within a year or two.
Hasn't Arsenal done just that? Of course it may all go wrong for them but the signs are a lot more promising than ours.You can’t just write off several seasons for a “proper” long term rebuild at club like Man United.
There’s too much money involved from CL and sponsors, so there’s that pressure to make the top 4 that comes with that.
You do know we have only just reviewed and appointed the recruitment team don’t you? Infact there’s still spots to fill. And that gathering the right targets to fit the new profile takes time and fresh data? To expect United to be unearthing gems this window shows you have little insight to the gigantic changes taking place in terms of recruitment and structure.What long term plan? The last couple of seasons our main signings Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane, Eriksen, Casemiro, Malacia and Martinez have an average age of 28. Where's the long term planning? We're just making it up as we go along.
Wrong thread?Gerrard and Lumpard out!
That bold part is fundamentally wrong. A long term plan doesn't have to concern the same group of players, a long term plan only means that you have a projection that is generally beyond 5 years. If you for example plan on bringing players that are meant to give you short term success(1-2 years) alongside players that are meant to be at the club mid term(3 to 4 years) and are already planning on how you are going to replace both groups, you have a long term plan. And that's without ever looking at players age(I'm not suggesting to not also sign young players).For a long term plan to work we need a core base of very good young players. What's the point of bringing in Eriksen and Casemiro when they're going to be teaching players not good enough to play at United? We've been rebuilding for a decade now and nothing has worked but our transfer policy hasn't changed at all. Its still throw money at the problem and see if it'll stick instead of having a clear plan.
Hasn't Arsenal done just that? Of course it may all go wrong for them but the signs are a lot more promising than ours.
You really think we have some great long term plan?You can't have a long term plan without short term steps. Both go together.
I don't know what we have. What I do know is that a mid term signing doesn't indicate that you do not have a long term vision.You really think we have some great long term plan?
We had potential players on our attacking side before (Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Pogba, Amad, Pellistri, Jones, Van De Beek), they were young enough (under 23) when joined usWhat long term plan? The last couple of seasons our main signings Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane, Eriksen, Casemiro, Malacia and Martinez have an average age of 28. Where's the long term planning? We're just making it up as we go along.
This lot are best ignored. We could sign Messi, Mbappe and Haaland and they would make snide remarks.
Exactly. Not sure shaw is a success though. I’d probably say pre Ronaldo Bruno was successful. Maybe Zlatan too. The rest have been expensive flops hence the pessimism.Is it really any wonder there's negativity when our last signing to make a difference was probably RVP over a decade ago? There's been 48 signings since SAF retired and in my mind there's probably been only 1 that could say has been a relative success and that's Shaw. That's how bad our transfer policy has been.
Every season is the same. We sign a player who at the start is going to make a difference and most people buy into the hype until about 6 months later when he's labelled crap. Fair dues to Bruno who lasted about 18 months though. Nearly an all time post SAF record.
On paper Casemiro looks a very good signing but for some they'd rather wait a season before assessing how he's going to cope with the pace of the PL which is way different to La Liga before jumping on the hype train although I must admit if we did get FDJ I'd be ridin that train myself.
I hope it works out my friend.As you said, this is not slightly the same.
Casemiro is loved by every single Real fan and we didn't want him to go, but we have to respect his decision.
He wants to try a new challenge with one of the best football clubs in the world in the PL with a last huge signing. He is aiming to be a coach in the future, so that's why he needed this experience as well.
You are not just signing an awesome football player, but an awesome profesional and person.
For this season, we were expecting him to rotate more with 2Meni (even knowing he was still one of our key players), because the previous years we hadn't players for his position and he had to play every fecking single game, but in the end he decided to start this new adventure.
Now is not that huge loss that could have been years before, because we have Cama + 2Meni, but still is painfull to watch :'( .
He is going to be the boss of your midfield in no time, you'll see. You are not going to regret this transfer.
Best of the lucks Carlos Henrique, thank you for everything you did and remember Madrid will be your home forever.
yes, sorryWrong thread?
There, in a nutshell, is the overrating of English players to a quite frankly absurd degree.. In a vacuum, sure I’d take Rice.
Rice obviously is not as good as Casemiro at the moment but for where we are a younger player is more suited for the rebuild. For instance Tchuameni is not good as Casemiro too but he also would have been the better option for us.There, in a nutshell, is the overrating of English players to a quite frankly absurd degree.
Who the feck who choose a guy who’s achieved absolutely feck all in his career over a guy who’s not only better at every aspect of football, but has the trophies to go with it?
he’s not fit to lace his boots more like.Rice obviously is not as good as Casemiro at the moment
no, for where we are, the massively better player is more suited.Rice obviously is not as good as Casemiro at the moment but for where we are a younger player is more suited for the rebuild. For instance Tchuameni is not good as Casemiro too but he also would have been the better option for us.
Why are people so absolutist? Casemiro may be better signing, but it will depend if he ages like say Fernandinho or Matic. There's no harm in acknowledging that signing a younger player has some advantages and some risks, and signing an older player has some advantages and some risks.no, for where we are, the massively better player is more suited.
i would also be happy with signing a younger player. But spunking 150m on Declan Fecking Rice is no less of a risk than what we've spent on Casemiro, particularly when Rice is nowhere near the player that Casemiro is, and probably never will be.Why are people so absolutist? Casemiro may be better signing, but it will depend if he ages like say Fernandinho or Matic. There's no harm in acknowledging that signing a younger player has some advantages and some risks, and signing an older player has some advantages and some risks.
That's what I said, basically.i would also be happy with signing a younger player. But spunking 150m on Declan Fecking Rice is no less of a risk than what we've spent on Casemiro, particularly when Rice is nowhere near the player that Casemiro is, and probably never will be.
Rice is a more complete box to box player in his profile, closer to Keane circa 97-02 (although not quite at Keane's level of consistency in pushing the team forward, transitioning the play quickly and playing the 'pass before the pass' or pre-assist). Casemiro has been played as a box-to-box on occasion in recent times, as Balangue brings up, and scored a few goals, but his game isn't as incisive as peak Keane or even current Rice, both in terms of lateral passing and driving with the ball. Alongside a scheming no.8 able to carry the ball under pressure and interplay with full-backs + the no.10 he can be very effective short-term - Cas' positional awareness is night and day compared with McTominay, and Balangue's exaggerating the extent to which Madrid play a deep-lying counterpunch game covering for his 'lack of pace'.Rice obviously is not as good as Casemiro at the moment but for where we are a younger player is more suited for the rebuild. For instance Tchuameni is not good as Casemiro too but he also would have been the better option for us.
This. I don't know why people are pretending like a younger class player wouldn't have been the best option. No one is doubting that Casemiro can give us a couple word class seasons or more if things go our way for once.That's what I said, basically.
Casemiro is one of the best DMs of the last 30 years, so I don't think matching his level is a realistic aim for any future signing. We'll be back in the market for a DM in 2-3 years time, and a player of Rice's level would be a good signing for the right price. Which £150m wouldn't be, obviously.
It's all by the by anyway, as Rice wouldn't have had any interest in joining us.
Casemiro's personality is that of an Ultra proffesional, leader. By all accounts he takes phenomenal care of himself, relies on his brain just as much as he does his body. Don't be surprised if he plays to a world class level for another 4/5 years.That's what I said, basically.
Casemiro is one of the best DMs of the last 30 years, so I don't think matching his level is a realistic aim for any future signing. We'll be back in the market for a DM in 2-3 years time, and a player of Rice's level would be a good signing for the right price. Which £150m wouldn't be, obviously.
It's all by the by anyway, as Rice wouldn't have had any interest in joining us.
Fingers crossed, body and mind are two separate things though, and there's no guarantees for any player despite the efforts they make to maintain their body. We will definitely be in for a DM again soon (arguably we need a second already, as none of our other midfielders can actually play that role). Whether it's someone to replace Casemiro, or a young understudy, or someone who could both partner him or play his role if he's not playing.Casemiro's personality is that of an Ultra proffesional, leader. By all accounts he takes phenomenal care of himself, relies on his brain just as much as he does his body. Don't be surprised if he plays to a world class level for another 4/5 years.
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He was earning 10m per year at Madrid. He isn't leaving a club capable of winning everything, uprooting his family and coming to one of the worst run top clubs in the world for an extra couple of million.
Shaw's been a success, but not Fernandes or Ibrahimovic?Is it really any wonder there's negativity when our last signing to make a difference was probably RVP over a decade ago? There's been 48 signings since SAF retired and in my mind there's probably been only 1 that could say has been a relative success and that's Shaw. That's how bad our transfer policy has been.
Every season is the same. We sign a player who at the start is going to make a difference and most people buy into the hype until about 6 months later when he's labelled crap. Fair dues to Bruno who lasted about 18 months though. Nearly an all time post SAF record.
On paper Casemiro looks a very good signing but for some they'd rather wait a season before assessing how he's going to cope with the pace of the PL which is way different to La Liga before jumping on the hype train although I must admit if we did get FDJ I'd be ridin that train myself.