Do you ever feel like a tipping point has been reached that will break the camel's back and turn the country upside down (as opposed to a few days of rioting before the usual cycles repeat on themselves)?
Cop in America doing a bad job, again
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
You naive soul, we do it every other months for far less than that.
One good thing about french police is that if you give them the opportunity, regardless of your skin color or professional occupation, they will batter you. There is no discrimination on that front.
French protesters are big source of inspiration.
Not at all. The elites have an even tighter grip on power than ever before. It's no contest.
Martin Luther King said that riots are the voice of the unheard. This is them expressing themselves, and quite frankly I don't blame them.
People are angry because they know that this isn't the beginning, middle or end, this is just what it's like to be black and that they, or someone they know could be next.
How can you reconcile that feeling? You can't. It's generational, unprovoked daily trauma.
Black people are murdered by the very people sworn in to protect them, and nothing happens. Maybe this cop will face justice, but he didn't act alone - and if it wasn't for video it's unlikely he would've been or reprimanded. But ultimately nothing will change.
Like I said, America is lucky black people didn't torch the entire place earlier.
Im just catching up on all this after being shamefully ignorant of what has been going on. Its genuinely a bit upsetting to see some of this - like the twitter thread and the "autistic person lives here" image linked earlier. I dont know what the solution is at this point, and I think its only going to get worse. feck knows where we (they) end up.
One the one hand, the rioting is bad. On the other hand, its understandable, and seeing the difference in policing between certain protests is just another vindication of it, really.
One the one hand, the rioting is bad. On the other hand, its understandable, and seeing the difference in policing between certain protests is just another vindication of it, really.
I'm not saying that's the issue with regards to Minnesota. I'm commenting on the discussion that is currently being had in the thread about the stark difference in police training in the US (a few months) vs. some countries in Europe (a couple to a few years).
I wonder how the US would cope if tomorrow 65m of french were swapped with 65m of americans. With easy access to rifles and guns, I give it a couple of weeks for the start of the second American revolution.
French protesters are big source of inspiration.
The prejudices we are encouraged to adopt even influence our perception of looting and looters:
Looters during revolution or pre-revolution: 'Justifiably angry, deprived people'.
Black looters at any time: 'Perennial thieves'.
Looters during revolution or pre-revolution: 'Justifiably angry, deprived people'.
Black looters at any time: 'Perennial thieves'.
What @Grinner said pretty much sums it up.
America is sadly beyond help at this point. It is a complete clusterfeck of a place.
That much is true, but I was thinking more amongst the people as a whole - boots on the ground, etc.
Outside of the Civil Right's Movement, what have been the biggest mobilizations in the States? The Rodney King riots? Cincinnati, and?
Did anything change of the back of these in the grand scheme?
Vive La France!
Allons enfents de la Patrie!
Ça Ira!
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Allegedly, they got that refrain from none other than Ben Franklin.
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I bet they didn't get the last line from him though.
seriously feck libs, they've done more to prevent racial justice than every klanmember combined
Non-whites in America have always been divided and conquered. It's still going on. Black people have always had it worse though. Unfortunately you don't see an MLK, a Malcolm X, a Jesse Jackson on the horizon to galvanize people. I mean, two of those three got taken out as it is.
I did laugh, so fair fecks to that guy.
seriously feck libs
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Just shows that their views when they’re out of uniform manifest into their treatment of black people as soon as they put it on
Yea I’m supportive of more training. Would have to be mandated by each state’s governing police body (like CA P.O.S.T). But honestly i don’t see that as the biggest issue. After the academy training the new officers go to their respective departments. Some small, some big. Some fast-paced, some slow. Some in rich jurisdictions, some in poor, some with mostly white people in their ranks, some with mostly minority officers, etc.
the problem is each department has It’s own culture and policies. The smaller departments are usually very tight-knit and have a certain “mold” they want their officers to fit and you either get with their program or you risk being shunned out and failing the training program. So the issue is there’s no uniformity across all these different departments. There has to be a way to have consistent policies throughout the state or country. Or give the governing police body more power to investigate serious uses of force/shootings.
Would you agree that by having a low threshold to join the police, that it leads to a higher probability of getting people into the department that would implement such toxic cultures?
Sadly, there's nothing much to add to this.
You wanna talk about a guy that is demonized in the place of his birth. White people in Greenville, SC hate that man.
Would look great for the Insta though. #Kneeling #FeckTrump #RacismIsBad #IHaveBlackFriends
seriously feck libs, they've done more to prevent racial justice than every klanmember combined
Of course is possible, once you start with 2-3 years, then is a wheel, every quatrimester you would have freshly graduated policemen/women
He was a flawed individual but then who isn't?
If I use the french system, the main difference is that you guys rely on what we call Police Municipale while in France they are not badly trained they are not equal to the Police Nationale which is the actual police. The Police National school last 12 months for the lower ranks and 18 months for officers. During the first 5 years they are not affected where they want but where the Police needs them, so it's not a great idea to act like a complete ass if you want a future move.
Believe me, that’s not why the folks I’m talking about hate him.
Your going to need to prove that otherwise i think this should be deleted.
Cant be throwing around unfounded accusations like that
The irony of telling black people to take a knee as the better way to protest....
seriously feck libs, they've done more to prevent racial justice than every klanmember combined
Not exactly, because the “threshold” is different for each department. I can get hired by one department but rejected by another. Some departments are very selective on hiring. I’ve been to testing events years ago in a auditoriums filled with hundreds of fellow applicants, but the dept will only be hiring 4 bodies for the year. Maybe require a college degree? Though many poorer applicants will be disadvantaged. Or make the academy longer is a feasible idea too.
I really don’t know how to fix the toxic cultures prevalent in departments. I do think a generational shift needs to happen. There’s still a lot of “old school” police officers who came on the job in the 80s and 90s before cellphone videos and social media. You can imagine how the culture was back then. Until these guys are gone from the ranks maybe then it will get better?
My county requires a bachelor’s degree to apply, and we just had a similar incident that caused protests a few years ago. It only helps so much.
And where would the academy be? Which cities would they go afterwards? Would their department pay them their full salary/benefits while in training for 2-3 years?