Cop in America doing a bad job, again

[TheReligion]

Hospital staff.

Begs the question why?!

 

[TheReligion]

Are there any officers in here?

I know of a Senior Sergeant (a Station Commander) from Melbourne that did a tour of the US, in relation to mental health among other things. He spoke with the first responder to one of the large school shootings for example.

Anyway he did a ride along in Arizona with a female officer, who came out to the vehicle with two guns (I believe her own). That day they intercepted 13 vehicles, 10 of which were at gunpoint (due to firearms warnings, etc).

That is simply unheard of here in Australia, you'd be lucky to draw your firearm that many times in your entire career, and you'd never have to do it for a vehicle intercept.

You'd never work by yourself either, you'd always be working with an offsider.

The US is a completely different world.

I’ve mentioned it before but the way they Police in the States is a direct result of the gun culture in the country.

I genuinely think if they addressed that then they’d see positive change within policing.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

I’ve mentioned it before but the way they Police in the States is a direct result of the gun culture in the country.

I genuinely think if they addressed that then they’d see positive change within policing.

Absolutely no doubt about it.

 

[calodo2003]

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[berbatrick]

Number of Philly cops out injured drops 31% after Inquirer investigation uncovers abuse
Doctors picked by the police union had diagnosed several hundred officers as being so injured that they couldn’t even testify in court.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/phila...-claims-heart-lung-abuse-reform-20221220.html

 

[choiboyx012]

I’ve mentioned it before but the way they Police in the States is a direct result of the gun culture in the country.

I genuinely think if they addressed that then they’d see positive change within policing.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/riverside-county-sheriffs-deputy-shot-in-jurupa-valley/amp/
Yup. Got a very close friend that works at Riverside sheriff’s dept and this hit close to home. This scumbag shot and killed a motor officer (just recently graduated motor school) today on a traffic stop. After causing a pursuit he was shot and killed. Access to guns is the biggest problem imo.

 

[choiboyx012]

Number of Philly cops out injured drops 31% after Inquirer investigation uncovers abuse
Doctors picked by the police union had diagnosed several hundred officers as being so injured that they couldn’t even testify in court.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/phila...-claims-heart-lung-abuse-reform-20221220.html

This is a problem in many departments including mine. It’s hard to enforce because of the medical HIPAA laws. Mix that with the physical nature of the job, and the labor laws in place, and you have an environment where abuse of workers comp is relatively easy to carry out.

 

[WI_Red]

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/riverside-county-sheriffs-deputy-shot-in-jurupa-valley/amp/
Yup. Got a very close friend that works at Riverside sheriff’s dept and this hit close to home. This scumbag shot and killed a motor officer (just recently graduated motor school) today on a traffic stop. After causing a pursuit he was shot and killed. Access to guns is the biggest problem imo.

100% agree. It’s why I have never understood why your profession has never been in the vanguard of the fight for gun control.

 

[4bars]

most policies come into play because of prior incidents, some just become implemented. You never know how someone will react to being arrested, taken to jail etc, so everyone under arrest goes in handcuffs. If handcuffs spark a resistance in someone before they go on, that’s probably someone that would resist when they get to jail too…so I’d rather them be in handcuffs to avoid that issue arising. I also wouldn’t want to be driving someone to jail that is under arrest for whatever It may be, and sat in a car with them unrestrained. Lots of people are chill until they find out they’re about to go to jail, or until the reality sets in as we get there.

and by policy I mean anyone that’s arrested goes in handcuffs. If you’re old, injured, or visibly pregnant, the handcuffs can go in front, otherwise it’s behind the back.

I understand (even id i dont like it) to be handcuffed just in case and if there is reasonable suspition of a crime at a office discretion but Isnt being handcuffed in a vehicle dangerous? Wasnt a guy killed or paralized because he was handcuffed and on a sharp break from the van he fell knocked his head breaking his neck as he couldnt out his hands in front to protect himself?

 

[Skizzo]

I understand (even id i dont like it) to be handcuffed just in case and if there is reasonable suspition of a crime at a office discretion but Isnt being handcuffed in a vehicle dangerous? Wasnt a guy killed or paralized because he was handcuffed and on a sharp break from the van he fell knocked his head breaking his neck as he couldnt out his hands in front to protect himself?

For us, we transport to jail in the regular patrol vehicle (charger, tahoe, or explorer) and they’ll usually be placed in the right rear seat (if the vehicle is equipped with a cage) and then they have their seatbelt put on to avoid issues like that. If I remember correctly, there were other issues with that incident you mentioned…mainly no seatbelts, and then horrendous medical care (or lack of) by placing him on the floor and leaving him in the cell when he was already complaining of being unable to move.

 

[calodo2003]

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[calodo2003]

Fayetteville, NC is an absolute shithole…

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[cesc's_mullet]

I believe there may be a large exodus occurring with Officers leaving the job over in the US. There have also been similar issues here in Australia, recruitment can't keep up with those leaving.

Why would you want to do that job over in the US? Dangerous, poorly trained, inadequately equipped, the pay is average, it seems that the majority of the population has some level of distrust to outright hatred, thanks to the actions of a (inexcusable) minority.

 

[choiboyx012]

I believe there may be a large exodus occurring with Officers leaving the job over in the US. There have also been similar issues here in Australia, recruitment can't keep up with those leaving.

Why would you want to do that job over in the US? Dangerous, poorly trained, inadequately equipped, the pay is average, it seems that the majority of the population has some level of distrust to outright hatred, thanks to the actions of a (inexcusable) minority.

The pay and benefits is actually pretty good and an attractive factor in recruitment. You’re obviously not getting former aerospace engineers or doctors, but for everyone else in the middle to lower class spectrum, getting into entry-level law enforcement is an attractive and attainable option if you have an interest. And the majority of those who apply are not in careers making 6 figures or working long dead-end jobs to make ends meet. It can be a long and arduous process to get hired, but the requirements to apply are very basic (20.5 years old, high school diploma). As long as you can pass the rest of the process you’re looking at a rewarding career doing something more exciting than sitting in a cubicle or whatever part-time gigs you were doing before.

but you are correct that hiring isn’t keeping up with the retirements and those leaving the field. Just look at any department website and most of them are offering $5000-25000 signing bonuses to recruits and experienced officers. My own department has not kept up with inflation and cost of living, and we lost around 50 officers in the last 2-3 years. Most were newer officers that were enticed by these higher paying departments offering these incentives and other bonuses that ours doesn’t. City politics and internal department drama also play a role in job dissatisfaction and officers leaving. I honestly don’t think the whole anti-police rhetoric is a factor in recruitment and retention, though it may be used for fear mongering and media posturing.There will always be people that hate cops, but there will always be those that are attracted to the job too.

 

[WI_Red]

The pay and benefits is actually pretty good and an attractive factor in recruitment. You’re obviously not getting former aerospace engineers or doctors, but for everyone else in the middle to lower class spectrum, getting into entry-level law enforcement is an attractive and attainable option if you have an interest. And the majority of those who apply are not in careers making 6 figures or working long dead-end jobs to make ends meet. It can be a long and arduous process to get hired, but the requirements to apply are very basic (20.5 years old, high school diploma). As long as you can pass the rest of the process you’re looking at a rewarding career doing something more exciting than sitting in a cubicle or whatever part-time gigs you were doing before.

but you are correct that hiring isn’t keeping up with the retirements and those leaving the field. Just look at any department website and most of them are offering $5000-25000 signing bonuses to recruits and experienced officers. My own department has not kept up with inflation and cost of living, and we lost around 50 officers in the last 2-3 years. Most were newer officers that were enticed by these higher paying departments offering these incentives and other bonuses that ours doesn’t. City politics and internal department drama also play a role in job dissatisfaction and officers leaving. I honestly don’t think the whole anti-police rhetoric is a factor in recruitment and retention, though it may be used for fear mongering and media posturing.There will always be people that hate cops, but there will always be those that are attracted to the job too.

This is mind boggling. This is the breakdown of the last 3 cities I have lived in by their state

- Alabama: 30% of total city budget
- Wisconsin: 31% of total city budget
- NC: 28% of total city budget

Where the hell are those millions of dollars going?

 

[nimic]

This is mind boggling. This is the breakdown of the last 3 cities I have lived in by their state

- Alabama: 30% of total city budget
- Wisconsin: 31% of total city budget
- NC: 28% of total city budget

Where the hell are those millions of dollars going?

30% of the city budget on... police?! That seems bafflingly high.

 

[choiboyx012]

This is mind boggling. This is the breakdown of the last 3 cities I have lived in by their state

- Alabama: 30% of total city budget
- Wisconsin: 31% of total city budget
- NC: 28% of total city budget

Where the hell are those millions of dollars going?

policing ain't cheap. A city could always contract its law enforcement services with the Sheriff's Dept to be more cost-efficient.

 

[WI_Red]

policing ain't cheap. A city could always contract its law enforcement services with the Sheriff's Dept to be more cost-efficient.

It’s still outrageous. In WI our street was in rough shape, as were many residential streets, but the entire public works budget was 9% of the budget. Health and Human Services? 2%.
Lots of new police SUV’s every year though, so at least they had good suspensions when traversing the hundreds of potholes.

 

[calodo2003]

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[calodo2003]

Don't think I've ever heard of such an arrest before...

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[calodo2003]

Forgot about this story. But drag queens are the problem, right?

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[calodo2003]

There’s so many cops that are literally subhuman.

 

[Red in STL]

It’s still outrageous. In WI our street was in rough shape, as were many residential streets, but the entire public works budget was 9% of the budget. Health and Human Services? 2%.
Lots of new police SUV’s every year though, so at least they had good suspensions when traversing the hundreds of potholes.

Well my way in MO the local populace determine the levels of spending on things like police vehicles thru taxes, sometimes you get what you're willing to pay for

 

[WI_Red]

Well my way in MO the local populace determine the levels of spending on things like police vehicles thru taxes, sometimes you get what you're willing to pay for

Tax revenue was not the problem. We paid double in WI than what we are currently paying in NC and our house here cost quite a bit more.

Anyways, the budget of the city in WI we lived in was developed by the mayor and voted by the city council, The only input the local populace had was to talk to their council people or address the council during community inpu hours. So around your way in MO the citizens determine on how the budget is spent? How do you do that (votes/resolutions/etc.)? I would be interested in knowing as it would be an interesting concept to look into.

 

[Red in STL]

Tax revenue was not the problem. We paid double in WI than what we are currently paying in NC and our house here cost quite a bit more.

Anyways, the budget of the city in WI we lived in was developed by the mayor and voted by the city council, The only input the local populace had was to talk to their council people or address the council during community inpu hours. So around your way in MO the citizens determine on how the budget is spent? How do you do that (votes/resolutions/etc.)? I would be interested in knowing as it would be an interesting concept to look into.

Some spending issues are voted on by propositions, not all of it or even most of it, in my city, which is a small one, there's an additional tax on tag renewal and car purchases that goes towards a specific thing (can't remember what) - it was voted for by a proposition and lasts for a set period of time, I've seen other propositions like that for specific equipment for schools and the parks dept.

Not sure how widespread this is but it's a common thing in MO, every election there are propositions at city, county and state level for specific funding, some pass and some don't.

 

[lonelyred]

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...ar-old-girl-amid-staten-island-fight/4028973/

 

[psychdelicblues]

https://www.thecity.nyc/2022/12/13/23507834/edny-fbi-investigating-nypd-drug-planting-allegations

 

[horsechoker]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...r-co-founder-cousin-killed-los-angeles-police

Teacher and cousin of Black Lives Matter founder ‘Tased to death’ by LAPD

‘He needed help and was killed,’ says Patrisse Cullors, as police are seen repeatedly using stun gun on him after traffic accident

 

[WI_Red]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...r-co-founder-cousin-killed-los-angeles-police

Teacher and cousin of Black Lives Matter founder ‘Tased to death’ by LAPD

‘He needed help and was killed,’ says Patrisse Cullors, as police are seen repeatedly using stun gun on him after traffic accident

LAPD: Come on, give us credit, at least we didn't shoot this one. Personal growth!

Monsters.

 

[calodo2003]

Bodycam…

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[WI_Red]

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Can’t wait to hear how this was a “good taze”

 

[utdalltheway]

Confiscate their pay & pensions and see what difference that makes.

 

[Stack]

Do American cops have some sort of kill quota they have to reach each month???

 

[NotworkSte]

It’s very different here in it UK in terms of that.

There’s no handcuffing policy and you’d be required to give justification for doing so.

I simply feel the moment you start trying to make certain things mandatory is the moment officers stop thinking for themselves. That said policy can be broken as people often forget. I certainly wouldn’t be handcuffing a frail elderly person or a young child.

It’s been a while… I was in Lothian and Borders down in the Borders (Hawick/Gala etc). Detaining folks no. Arresting we usually did cuff someone unless reasons not too (young, elderly, sick etc).

 

[Red in STL]

Any police who didn't refuse to participate in that is a fecking scumbag.

Or maybe needs their job to feed their family

 

[Red in STL]

But why is it a policy? Looks unnecessary in so many cases. It sometimes feels there are arrests that even would not provoke "resistance" if the cuffs were not involved (I believe there are examples of some other countries showing that)

Also, when you say it's a policy, does it mean it's just a kind of customary/recommended practice or is it a regulated, mandatory procedure?

(Anyway, thanks for replying to my pretty old post.)

In the US it's common sense given that anyone they arrest could be armed

 

[Karel Podolsky]

I believe there may be a large exodus occurring with Officers leaving the job over in the US. There have also been similar issues here in Australia, recruitment can't keep up with those leaving.

Why would you want to do that job over in the US? Dangerous, poorly trained, inadequately equipped, the pay is average, it seems that the majority of the population has some level of distrust to outright hatred, thanks to the actions of a (inexcusable) minority.

Here in Indonesia people bribe to become a policeman (the amount of bribe is equal to my 4 year income).

 

[nimic]

Or maybe needs their job to feed their family

They shouldn't have anyway. Besides, we've got a thousand examples of cops getting new jobs in law enforcement basically immediately after getting fired, and on top of that it's a job-seeker's labour market right now.

 

[Red in STL]

They shouldn't have anyway. Besides, we've got a thousand examples of cops getting new jobs in law enforcement basically immediately after getting fired, and on top of that it's a job-seeker's labour market right now.

If only life was a simple as that