Cristiano Ronaldo - Much Ado About Al Nassr

RedRonaldo

Wishes to be oppressed.
Joined
Aug 17, 2003
Messages
18,996
Any stats from the farmers league should be null and void.
Well yeh, except it shouldn't be null and void to Pele's record at NASL, Cruyff at NASL, Muller at NASL, Zico at J.League or even Messi at Ligue 1 etc

Because you know, double standards.
 

Lay

Correctly predicted Italy to win Euro 2020
Joined
Jan 29, 2013
Messages
20,008
Location
England
Well yeh, except it shouldn't be null and void to Pele's record at NASL, Cruyff at NASL, Muller at NASL, Zico at J.League or even Messi at Ligue 1 etc

Because you know, double standards.
Ligue 1 is top 5/6 leagues in the world. The Saudi League ranks below the Brazilian 4th division.
 

RedRonaldo

Wishes to be oppressed.
Joined
Aug 17, 2003
Messages
18,996
Ligue 1 is top 5/6 leagues in the world. The Saudi League ranks below the Brazilian 4th division.
Yeh I know, I am only responding to the comment "farmers league".

Ligue 1 has always been known as farmers league as compared to top 3 league in Europe, although its wasn't nearly as poor as Saudi League, or NASL where the likes of Pele, Cruyff, Muller etc has all been playing there during the near retiring years of their career.
 

UnbiasedObserver

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Feb 19, 2023
Messages
15
Thats a very good rocket free kick, not many older players can pull that out for sure.

Some interesting stats after the goal:

Ronaldo 828 career goals
L.Ronaldo 414 career goals

Exactly doubling the number!

Career freekicks all time:
1. Juninho 77
2. Pele 70
3. Legrotaglie - 66
4. Ronaldinho 66
5. Beckham 65
6. Maradona 62
6.. Zico 62
8. Ceni 61
8. Messi 61
10. Koeman 60
11. Ronaldo 59

Only 2 behind Messi. He needs to score 3 more to get to top 6 with Maradona/Zico. I doubt he could touch Beckham's freekick record though among top 5.

Freekicks in currently active players:

1. Messi 61
2. Ronaldo 59
3. Calhanoglu 28
4. Pjanic 27
5. Neymar 19

None of the current players could reach near even half of his numbers. Are there any upcoming freekick specialist among younger generation though?
Your free-kick list is wrong. I've seen these lists everywhere on social media. Your list includes friendly games for Pele (I think he has about 40 official free kicks), Beckham, and Ronaldinho.
Check out this guy very reliable and does good work for football statistics.
Btw Cristiano has 60 Oficial Free kick goals (Near 70 if we include friendlies as you did with your list)
One of these two are not counted for some reason
vs Aston Villa 2009
vs Malaga 2013
 

mshnsh

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Mar 17, 2013
Messages
1,361
Location
old trafford
Your free-kick list is wrong. I've seen these lists everywhere on social media. Your list includes friendly games for Pele (I think he has about 40 official free kicks), Beckham, and Ronaldinho.
Check out this guy very reliable and does good work for football statistics.
Btw Cristiano has 60 Oficial Free kick goals (Near 70 if we include friendlies as you did with your list)
One of these two are not counted for some reason
vs Aston Villa 2009

vs Malaga 2013
Duh. Because neither are dead ball strikes. They are shots on goal after a short pass.
 

shamans

Thinks you can get an STD from flirting.
Joined
Oct 25, 2010
Messages
18,226
Location
Constantly at the STD clinic.
You would struggle to find a wall that bad in an U8 match. No wall at all would have been much better for the keeper.
That wall :lol:
The walls not the best but nothin my crazy. These sorta free kicks are scored in the champions league as well sometimes I really wonder if people analyze the basics of the game
 

mshnsh

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Mar 17, 2013
Messages
1,361
Location
old trafford
Yeh I know, I am only responding to the comment "farmers league".

Ligue 1 has always been known as farmers league as compared to top 3 league in Europe, although its wasn't nearly as poor as Saudi League, or NASL where the likes of Pele, Cruyff, Muller etc has all been playing there during the near retiring years of their career.
I'd agree with your point when it comes to players in retirement leagues but mentioning ligue 1 is an own goal.

The other thing is that non of the other players you mentioned took their football anywhere near as seriously as Ronaldo while playing in irrelevant leagues. They were there for the coins and as a bridge to retirement.
 

Raoul

Admin
Staff
Joined
Aug 14, 1999
Messages
130,189
Location
Hollywood CA
Cheers. Also just learnt that he's only 30 goals ahead of Messi. Reckon he's going to retire after Messi.
Which is why he probably took the Saudi job - its great money and a good venue where he can easily score at will to finish above Messi. Given that Messi is a couple off years younger, I still think he will catch Ronnie eventually.
 

Maluco

Last Man Standing 3 champion 2019/20
Joined
Jan 4, 2014
Messages
5,912
Saudi have played it brilliantly by bringing him in. We actually have people on an Irish forum arguing about the level of their division and going out of their way to watch and analyze his games.

As a means to increase visibility, marshaling the hoards of desperate Ronaldo fanboys is a genius move.

It’s hard to think of a single transfer in football history that will have done more for the profile of any division in the history of football.
 

Pintu

Full Member
Joined
Apr 12, 2015
Messages
4,171
Location
Sweden
Which is why he probably took the Saudi job - its great money and a good venue where he can easily score at will to finish above Messi. Given that Messi is a couple off years younger, I still think he will catch Ronnie eventually.
Not if Messi stays in Europe for too long. The last time Messi outscored Ronaldo was in 18/19... That was Ronado's first season in Italy and Messi was still at his top (Total of 54 goals by Messi that season).
 

Raoul

Admin
Staff
Joined
Aug 14, 1999
Messages
130,189
Location
Hollywood CA
Not if Messi stays in Europe for too long. The last time Messi outscored Ronaldo was in 18/19... That was Ronado's first season in Italy and Messi was still at his top (Total of 54 goals by Messi that season).
Yeah but the French league is not exactly England. Ronaldo is older now and is likely to slow down considerably. Messi is nearly 3 years younger and still scoring fairly consistency. If you extrapolate this over the next 4-5 years, Messi will eventually catch him.

The broader point is that Ronaldo wants desperately to have something to eternally hang his coat on in the the goat debate, and goals scored would be a massive feather in his cap given that Messi has a WC and is now largely considered the front runner in the goat debate. If Messi manages to catch Ronaldo on goals, then that's the end of any rational debate on the topic.
 

Pronewbie

Peep
Joined
May 17, 2004
Messages
6,671
Location
In front of My Computer
Which is why he probably took the Saudi job - its great money and a good venue where he can easily score at will to finish above Messi. Given that Messi is a couple off years younger, I still think he will catch Ronnie eventually.
Yeah? I reckon only a career-ending injury will stop Ronaldo from securing a record he has full control of.
 
Last edited:

RedRonaldo

Wishes to be oppressed.
Joined
Aug 17, 2003
Messages
18,996
I'd agree with your point when it comes to players in retirement leagues but mentioning ligue 1 is an own goal.

The other thing is that non of the other players you mentioned took their football anywhere near as seriously as Ronaldo while playing in irrelevant leagues. They were there for the coins and as a bridge to retirement.
Well maybe mentioning Ligue 1 there is not a good idea there, but I can’t resist it. It’s very common thing to classify Ligue 1 as “farmers league” just few years ago, the term top 5/6 league is rather new here, I think is mainly because of PSG with all the oil money acquiring the likes of Mbappe/Neymar/Messi, we just have to invent a new term for that.

We are now in a situation where we have 4 sets of completely different records in football.
1. Official records for top 5/6 league only (newly invented term to differential between the very top level of football)
2. Official records for any professional league at top level (including all relevant/irrelevant league at professional/top level)
3. Official records for any league at any level (including youth, reserve, amateur, non-professional level)
4. Unofficial records for anything (including club friendlies, or anything unofficial)

In terms of traditional records, no. 2 is always being considered most. But according to some recent trend in the internet and what the original poster suggest, no.1 should now be considered instead. But this will create this awkward situation where the likes of Pele, Muller, Di Stefano, Zico etc may loss various extent of their records under new criteria.
 
Last edited:

tenpoless

No 6-pack, just 2Pac
Joined
Oct 20, 2014
Messages
16,330
Location
Ole's ipad
Supports
4-4-2 classic
That wall :lol:
You're right. For starters, those players should learn how to form a wall.
There are things more important than football. If I was playing in Saudi League and my investment is about to get hit by a rocket, I'd avoid it too. It's not worth losing my future over a competition nobody cares about and have my private equity smashed to pieces by a megalomaniac's freekick while he siuuuud my pain.
 

Real Name

Full Member
Joined
Oct 21, 2020
Messages
14,270
Location
Croatia
Scored a zinger of a freekick just two days ago and apparently he's "dead" because he's no longer playing in a league with competent defenders. The bias in this thread is unreal :houllier:
That wall was something else. 3 guys in it pretending to defend the freekick.
 

The Firestarter

Full Member
Joined
Apr 8, 2010
Messages
28,216
Scored a zinger of a freekick just two days ago and apparently he's "dead" because he's no longer playing in a league with competent defenders. The bias in this thread is unreal :houllier:
Give over it's the fecking Saudi league. It doesn't matter.
 

Nevilles.Wear.Prada

Full Member
Joined
Apr 11, 2015
Messages
2,714
Location
Malaysia
Supports
JDT
He could have been the guy that helped shape the next Manchester United team to win it all. To be seen as a man helping others to achieve what he has already mastered. Establish a legend, not just as a player, but as a person.

Instead hes kicking water bottles in a tunnel.
In saudi arabia.
After destroying his legacy.
After whoring himself to every other club, including out rivals.

this actually made me smile. Serves the cnut right.
 

Pass and Move

Full Member
Joined
Jul 15, 2014
Messages
797
Scored a zinger of a freekick just two days ago and apparently he's "dead" because he's no longer playing in a league with competent defenders. The bias in this thread is unreal :houllier:
There was nothing zinging about it. It was a poorly struck free kick that snuck through a fence of three retired dodgeball players.