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Yeh that’s my mistake, my apology. Your name does look abit similar to his at first glance. But such confusion only happened when you suddenly get into middle of our conversation.
no worries..
Yeh that’s my mistake, my apology. Your name does look abit similar to his at first glance. But such confusion only happened when you suddenly get into middle of our conversation.
The reason being that most of the posters on here didn’t see Müller live. Müller’s record with the national team is completely insane. And keep in mind that they weren’t playing Gibraltar and San Marino.And I don't think Muller had a higher peak, but I find it interesting how his goal-scoring feats are arguably as good as Ronaldo's and he's never in the debate. There's a reason for that.
The reason being that most of the posters on here didn’t see Müller live. Müller’s record with the national team is completely insane. And keep in mind that they weren’t playing Gibraltar and San Marino.
It is also sad that he is often being reduced to a poacher.
I don’t fully agree. Maradona is far superior in dribbling, passing and playmaking, that’s no debate there. But apart from that, everything else is debatable.
The reason being that most of the posters on here didn’t see Müller live. Müller’s record with the national team is completely insane. And keep in mind that they weren’t playing Gibraltar and San Marino.
It is also sad that he is often being reduced to a poacher.
Well I didn’t say it wasn’t. See I used to be big fan of Maradona back in the days. But just saying there are other qualities Ronaldo being better which also matters. The same qualities which enables him having GOAT kind of career, and I think that’s the ultimate goal which inspires plenty of other top players in the game (ie Mbappé Haaland)I mean, wouldn't you agree this is a pretty big deal?
There's probably not a single thing Ronaldo can do better than Maradona on the ball(except for hitting the ball harder which might not matter much in the grand scheme of things).
Oh, I absolutely agree with you. You listed the reasons why Ronaldo isn’t on my top tier, which consists of the 3 players you mentioned.That is true. My point though was Muller isn't in GOAT debates(despite his excellence in goal-scoring), because Pele, Maradona and Messi are simply better footballers than him.
Where are people getting this assumption the WC is the pinnacle of football in terms of quality? I fecking love it because it only happens every 4 years but international football never seems to be held up to the same regard in any other debate.
Where are people getting this assumption the WC is the pinnacle of football in terms of quality? I fecking love it because it only happens every 4 years but international football never seems to be held up to the same regard in any other debate.
International football may be lower quality but it puts players in a situation where they have to play outside their comfort zone with from their own country only (not players and also coaches they train with every day like they do with club football) and only see a few times a year.
Therefore players who perform internationally as well as club football deserve extra praise.
Oh, classic: Ronaldo and Messi became the best of all time at everything they're good at...Suiiiiii x2
He was a consistently great dribbler until 2010. He had some great dribbling moments later, but these were esporadic. He never combined his best dribbling ability(which clearly reach its peak in 2006/2007) with world class goalscoring; the closest to that was in 2009/2010.Was watching some of his highlights from 2015. His dribbling ability had gone by then but it's crazy just how good he was in front of goal. Made everything look easy. Very few strikers manage that.
The fact at one point he could dribble past players and still finish the way he did is what makes him so good.
You're right. His best dribbling was indeed in 05-07. Still it's pretty rare to see a player be world class at both at different stages. It's like if Nani one day decided he wanted to Morph into Lewandowski or Suarez.Oh, classic: Ronaldo and Messi became the best of all time at everything they're good at...
Young football fans are SO annoying.
He was a consistently great dribbler until 2010. He had some great dribbling moments later, but these were esporadic. He never combined his best dribbling ability(which clearly reach its peak in 2006/2007) with world class goalscoring; the closest to that was in 2009/2010.
His World Cup record is so poor I'm not sure where to rank him in history. Even if he didn't win it, he never had a great run in the world cup where the carried his team far deep into tournament (eg reached the final or semis). Or won something like the golden boot, best player, most assists. He did make the semis in 2006 as a promising future star but he wasn't the main star or anything.
Portugal is good though to have done something noteworthy in the WC. Cruyff, Puskas, Eusebio are all legends with star performances. Even players in recent years such as Modric, Forlan, Kane, James Rodriguez, Robben did great things for their country in the WC. What's CR7s excuse? His greatest WC moment is scoring a hat trick in the group stages for a draw.
If it weren't for Portugal's fortunate 2016 euro win where he had some good moments but still wasn't a star and didn't play in the final, his legacy would be very questionable. Perhaps only known as a club only football legend like Di Stefano.
You're right. His best dribbling was indeed in 05-07. Still it's pretty rare to see a player be world class at both at different stages. It's like if Nani one day decided he wanted to Morph into Lewandowski or Suarez.
Honestly man, this was a really great post and overall I can agree with most of what you put here !
Only thing is I think the tail end of Ronaldo’s career is what lingers more in people mind because he isn’t just a Goal scorer particularly in his prime (now I’m not saying he is as magical or gifted then a Messi Maradona etc) but his attributed were quite unique. So to limit him to just a goal scorer is inaccurate IMO. Prime Ronaldo was a 6ft tall man with insane speed, and trickery who can get past multiple players and can score with left foot , right foot, head, freekick, penalty, distance etc.
In the end of the day I agree with your post and I appreciate the time you put in to write it !
Well I’d say dribbling is just one part of his game (most aesthetic part) where has peaked in his early career (03-07).Oh, classic: Ronaldo and Messi became the best of all time at everything they're good at...
Young football fans are SO annoying.
He was a consistently great dribbler until 2010. He had some great dribbling moments later, but these were esporadic. He never combined his best dribbling ability(which clearly reach its peak in 2006/2007) with world class goalscoring; the closest to that was in 2009/2010.
Well I’d say dribbling is just one part of his game (most aesthetic part) where has peaked in his early career (03-07).
That's fair enough. I mean some of his earlier moves or stepovers were electrifying to watch, although it often lacks purpose and he wasn't really a very effective dribbler like Messi, or as smooth/aesthetically pleasing as someone like Ronaldinho. But there's always something very exciting in the crowd whenever he was running at full speed from the flanks or counter attack move, did some flick and tricks for pure entertainment, or sometimes does a Ronaldo chop, cut in and shoot.To each to its own, but I Beg to differ about dribbling his more aesthetic part of his game, on contrair his headers are trully outstanding (even beyond outstanding), a thing of beauty and the way he strikes the ball mostly in motion too is very aesthetic...regarding free kicks he kind of got a bit obssesed with his singular way of strike it, that made him fail too many free kicks, yet indeed when he nails it its really aesthetic too.
But his dribbling is a bit ackward, because he is a bit stiff in general (thsi doesn't means that he didn't pull off some really beautiful moves of course) but I always felt that he tries to hard and lacks balance.
Also he has a tendency to show off without even moving or with a defender not even near or not even bothered or buying whatevr he is doing in too many ocasions, that looks quite silly for such a phenomenal player, but I think it's due to his constant battle to whatever is said about him, even if its nonsense.
His better dribblings are almost always when he is at the edge of the rival's area, when scoring is the objective, he has a some goals at such instances that are superb, things of beauty. Is a question of pulling out a fast manouver and strike before loosing control and balance.
When he has to dribble in bigger distances he tends to loose focus and balance, unless it's with more space were he uses a great long stride and pace (Bale had a similar style in such ocassions).
Intelligent post and factual. This is the problem that Ronaldo has. People like to blame the fact that he plays for Portugal, but fail to explain how this stops him from actually performing well at a World Cup. 5 tournaments, no goals or assists in the KO stages, no golden boot, silver boot or bronze boot, no golden ball, silver ball or bronze ball. Meanwhile, Eusebio, who also played for Portugal (supposedly a massive hindrance to doing well at the World Cup), played in only one tournament and won the Golden boot, scoring more goals in that one competition than Ronaldo has managed in 5. There's no excuse, he's been a failure in that competition, the most prestigious and storied in football.His World Cup record is so poor I'm not sure where to rank him in history. Even if he didn't win it, he never had a great run in the world cup where the carried his team far deep into tournament (eg reached the final or semis). Or won something like the golden boot, best player, most assists. He did make the semis in 2006 as a promising future star but he wasn't the main star or anything. But that team had established legends Figo, Deco, Carvalho...
Portugal is good though to have done something noteworthy in the WC. Cruyff, Puskas, Eusebio are all legends with star performances. Even players in recent years such as Modric, Forlan, Kane, James Rodriguez, Robben did great things for their country in the WC. What's CR7s excuse? His greatest WC moment is scoring a hat trick in the group stages for a draw.
If it weren't for Portugal's fortunate 2016 euro win where he had some good moments but still wasn't a star and didn't play in the final, his legacy would be very questionable. Perhaps only known as a club only football legend like Di Stefano.
Suiiiiii x2
Cristiano: "Those that like me don't need to hate Messi, and vice versa. We both made history and changed the course of football, and we we've both been doing well [in MLS and Saudi Pro League], and we're respected throughout the entire world. There was a rivalry, there's no rivalry anymore, the fans loved it, but from our own perspective, it was always an healthy, respectful rivalry"
Source, translated by me: https://tvi.iol.pt/noticias/videos/...o-messi-e-vice-versa/64f8a92b0cf23250d7066a99
If only more people took it upon themselves to discuss both players fairly and with some rationale behind them. Don't wanna stir up more wildfires, but I subscribe to his words and wanted to share it here.
Thank you for translating, did he mention anything about Messi winning the World Cup? I don’t expect him to, he may not have even asked but just curious.
thanks again
Rich of him to say about himself “respected throughout the entire world”Cristiano: "Those that like me don't need to hate Messi, and vice versa. We both made history and changed the course of football, and we we've both been doing well [in MLS and Saudi Pro League], and we're respected throughout the entire world. There was a rivalry, there's no rivalry anymore, the fans loved it, but from our own perspective, it was always an healthy, respectful rivalry"
Source, translated by me: https://tvi.iol.pt/noticias/videos/...o-messi-e-vice-versa/64f8a92b0cf23250d7066a99
If only more people took it upon themselves to discuss both players fairly and with some rationale behind them. Don't wanna stir up more wildfires, but I subscribe to his words and wanted to share it here.
Rich of him to say about himself “respected throughout the entire world”
There was only ever a rivalry in Ronaldos eyes where he tried to prove he was better. I doubt Messi thought about a rivalry, he just did his own thing and in the end to the vast majority of football fans he was obviously much better in all ways, such a magical player.Cristiano: "Those that like me don't need to hate Messi, and vice versa. We both made history and changed the course of football, and we we've both been doing well [in MLS and Saudi Pro League], and we're respected throughout the entire world. There was a rivalry, there's no rivalry anymore, the fans loved it, but from our own perspective, it was always an healthy, respectful rivalry"
Source, translated by me: https://tvi.iol.pt/noticias/videos/...o-messi-e-vice-versa/64f8a92b0cf23250d7066a99
If only more people took it upon themselves to discuss both players fairly and with some rationale behind them. Don't wanna stir up more wildfires, but I subscribe to his words and wanted to share it here.
Looking very sharp this season, another goal and 2 assists again. Overall 12 goals 5 assists in 11 games this season already. Most productive player in the “other side” of the world right now?
I always thought his passing was excelent as well, and with great technique, good accuracy, and could put a ball anywere on the field in almost any situation - versatility. Some of my favorite compilations from Ronaldo are passing compilations.
They played for Madrid and Barca in their prime, one of the biggest rivalries simply from the team they were on. They were the only two competing for the league , cups, Balon D Or, pichcihi, CL...of course they were in rivalry.There was only ever a rivalry in Ronaldos eyes where he tried to prove he was better. I doubt Messi thought about a rivalry, he just did his own thing and in the end to the vast majority of football fans he was obviously much better in all ways, such a magical player.
Before this previous world cup, Messi had no knockout goals in the world cup too despite featuring alongside world class attackers.Intelligent post and factual. This is the problem that Ronaldo has. People like to blame the fact that he plays for Portugal, but fail to explain how this stops him from actually performing well at a World Cup. 5 tournaments, no goals or assists in the KO stages, no golden boot, silver boot or bronze boot, no golden ball, silver ball or bronze ball. Meanwhile, Eusebio, who also played for Portugal (supposedly a massive hindrance to doing well at the World Cup), played in only one tournament and won the Golden boot, scoring more goals in that one competition than Ronaldo has managed in 5. There's no excuse, he's been a failure in that competition, the most prestigious and storied in football.