Madrid teammates were VERY agitated with Ronaldo after the last CL win, he even went his own way after the match ended since he had to talk about himself instead of celebrating the win. Ramos and Marcelo were very annoyed with his diva bs.
Hahahahaha and who got Argentina out of the group stage? Who got player of the tournament at the WC? How was Ronaldo at the last World Cup? Oh right, he was injured.the only person Di Maria carried was Messi to the World Cup finals where he bottled it.
Let’s for one moment assume Argentina is stoke fc and Portugal is last seasons Man City. At the end of the bloody thing Messi has twice had to just hit a freaking penalty and he bottled it .... twice!
There is no team no dynamic nothing in play there. Just Messi crumbling under pressure .
Is it really? It's so dumb to use that final to try to prove Portugal is actually good without Ronaldo, we were completely dominated, should have lost by 2 or 3 if Griezmann didn't bottle a bunch of chances and won it with an Eder shot from outside of the box. It's one game and this is football, one game doesn't prove anything and any team can beat another.
Why do you think there are so many talented players playing for Argentina that spend the whole year being great for their clubs that then apparently turn to shit when playing for their country and Messi has to do everything for them? Is it black magic? I'd really like to know what's your theory behind this crazy phenomenon.
Its not about realistically winning it but seemed like they'd play better football than Portugal did and with a Ronaldo leading the line they'd would be much more effective. At the very least they played much better than Portugal did all game.
Even if they were annoyed, I'd rather be an annoyed teammate with a 3peat champions league under my belt than having a bottling Messi as my "leader" who has been crapping himself since Xavi/Iniesta left
Too bad Messi doesn’t have a Ramos or Bale to bail him out when he goes missing in the finals like he did in 2014, 2016 and 2018Even if they were annoyed, I'd rather be an annoyed teammate with a 3peat champions league under my belt than having a bottling Messi as my "leader" who has been crapping himself since Xavi/Iniesta left
A luxury is playing 3 Champions League finals ahead of the best midfield ever and one of those with Suarez and Neymar next to him, that’s a luxury. There’s a reason why Ronaldo has played twice as many Champions League finals as Messi and it’s not because he’s had better teammates.
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Thought so
In light of recent events, is your opinion the same?Fernando Santos, tactical genius
Sampaoli is obviously a much better manager than Santos. Patricio is better than Romero but not by much.
Just play next to Ronaldo and suddenly everyone seems to rate you higher, it's weird how that works.
Except the fact that the Champions League has twice as many games in every round bar the final. A CL run is 13 games if a team reaches the final, while a WC run is 7 games.
oh yeah i forgot it's 2 legged unlike the WC.
The game against Portugal would have ended 6-0, lol.
Yes, I’m very aware of Fernando Santos’ career work and there shouldn’t really be any doubt. Sampaoli’s done a lot of things I’ll never understand as Argentina manager though
Well....you could say Di Maria wasn't any worse than Messi either though. Oh btw Di Maria played like 20 minutes total in those 3 finals...
Yeah, mostly it's called luck
It's always luck with Ronaldo, lucky Madrid and lucky PortugalYeah, mostly it's called luck
No, but playing in more CL finals definitely is(mostly). You only have to look it upIt's always luck with Ronaldo, lucky Madrid and lucky Portugal
That's not the point. Cristiano could have been better than Messi, sure. You still don't make it to the CL final without massive amounts of luck involved. The way the competition is structured makes sure of it. Our 4 CL finals:
Luck is very rarely determinant overall. One single time you may get lucky or unlucky, when there's a trend then it's not luck. You make your own luck.
Agree with most of your post. However there is no argument on whom has been the better player in UCL. It is Ronaldo and it is not even close.
Barcelona had luck in 2009. How is bayern munich gifting us 2 goals, playing us off the park for 180 minutes and missing sitter after sitter after sitter not luck? How was Kassai putting his hand in his pocket ready to send off Casemiro only to change his mind at the last second, then going the other way and sending off Vidal not luck? Two clearly offside goals? The first leg against PSG? Come on.
Vidal should have been sent off before Casemiro... the first leg you were robbed. For every moment of luck in your favour you can find a moment where it was the other way around.
To be clear i am NOT disputing this
Yes but neither team has ever lived and died with them when they made the final. In fact, a good way to compare their performances is to look at their teams results in ties in which they were great or outright difference makers, and in ties were they weren't good
I've seen it suggested a few times how Cristiano is in his peak right now. Honestly that's just not true at all, he was a better individual player from 2011-2013 than he is now. The only difference is the team around him and external factors he has not influence over.
