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Get well soon Daley.
I guess this means his career is over? No purpose in risking life by playing football.
 

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One of the most intelligent players we had. I always felt he was wasted at CB with us. He has the ability to pass and create openings and shoot from long range too.
We should have used him as number 10.
Hope he gets well soon and take care of his health.
 

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As someone with a s-ICD fitted its crazy he is still playing. My understanding (via mine) is that it can go off as a preventative measure and often fires without just cause (better to be safe than sorry) but is extremely painful/shocking (excuse the pun) when it occurs. You'd think as a professional athlete that it would have been set to only go off in extreme circumstances though, given his HR is likely to fluctuate quite heavily especially in a game.

This isn't as dangerous as some are making out due to the inherent preventative nature - there's no way for us of knowing if it was a legitimate life-saving event or a false-positive/too-eager reading. But he is likely to have some (mental more-so) trauma the next few days and discomfort in the chest given that it went off. Fingers crossed he is able to continue and assess with his cardiologist exactly why it fired and if it was justified - in which case it maybe should be time to hang up the boots.

Does he wear any padded/protective clothing at all? I was told not to play football/rugby/skiing etc, not because it could easily fire, but because the potential muscular damage that could occur in a heavy knock, due to it being fitted in the layer of muscle [could easily move around with heavy contact and cause heavy internal damage]
There are different ways of fitting them, but the risk of knocking it goes the other way too. You can damage the device or the leads going into it.

I'm sure Blind will have accepted the risk of continuing to play and been told a high heart rate can trigger it. No doubt his would have been calibrated accordingly, but still it's going to be extremely scary even if it wasn't a genuine event.

I had a minor heart problem picked up on a routine scan some years ago and it took me months to get my head properly back into football afterwards.
 

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He was a very good player Blind, intelligent and reliable. I think it was probably the right decision to get rid of him however, he's not a top CB, LB or DM. In saying that, he's not much worse than Lindelof overall at CB, probably better than Williams at LB and another option for DM.
 

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He was a very good player Blind, intelligent and reliable. I think it was probably the right decision to get rid of him however, he's not a top CB, LB or DM. In saying that, he's not much worse than Lindelof overall at CB, probably better than Williams at LB and another option for DM.
Why is this relevant at the moment!

Get well soon Daley!
 

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He will be getting the very best advice from specialists about this. There isn’t much point in a lot of people who don’t know his situation saying “he needs to retire”, without even knowing the nature of his situation.

There may be little to no risk to his health from top level sport, and he was just frightened when the pacemaker went off.

Obviously his health comes first, but he should be the one to meet with the very best specialists on offer and decide based on that.

Here’s hoping he is reassured whatever the case, and if he is given the all clear, can enjoy a few more years in the game yet.
 

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He will be getting the very best advice from specialists about this. There isn’t much point in a lot of people who don’t know his situation saying “he needs to retire”, without even knowing the nature of his situation.

There may be little to no risk to his health from top level sport, and he was just frightened when the pacemaker went off.

Obviously his health comes first, but he should be the one to meet with the very best specialists on offer and decide based on that.

Here’s hoping he is reassured whatever the case, and if he is given the all clear, can enjoy a few more years in the game yet.
This, especially those with little knowledge of ICD's. I've been told the risk to health is almost entirely mitigated due to it and that I am technically safer than the rest of the population regarding risk of cardiac events due to it, with the only issues being pain/psychologically from it firing. They are preventative so will always go off even if questionable as better to be safe than sorry, especially considering law suits etc.

Unless it has had a mental effect or signified something more serious/worrying, there would be little reason to consider retiring just from this.

There are different ways of fitting them, but the risk of knocking it goes the other way too. You can damage the device or the leads going into it.

I'm sure Blind will have accepted the risk of continuing to play and been told a high heart rate can trigger it. No doubt his would have been calibrated accordingly, but still it's going to be extremely scary even if it wasn't a genuine event.

I had a minor heart problem picked up on a routine scan some years ago and it took me months to get my head properly back into football afterwards.
For sure, but as most reports state the s-ICD specially (oppose to normal ICD) the leads are much less intrusive [does not go directly into or near the heart, inserted on side of chest under lateral dorsi muscle and the lead near sternum]. I was advised to either not do any contact sports or wear a special tshirt with protective padding around the device, so would be really interesting to hear if he has anything like this.

Completely agree on the head thing though. My SCA occurred in the gym (admittedly significantly more life threatening/traumatic than just a preventative device firing) and I am extremely nervous/anxious about even slightly pushing in the gym now. But anecdotally I have heard how terrifying the shock can be, especially as the joules/wattage is so much higher due to not directly going into veins/heart, both pain-wise and psychologically. Hopefully professional therapists/psychologists will give a strong advantage here though.

Did you manage to get back into it properly eventually?
 
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Completely agree on the head thing though. My SCA occurred in the gym (admittedly significantly more life threatening/traumatic than just a preventative device firing) and I am extremely nervous/anxious about even slightly pushing in the gym now. But anecdotally I have heard how terrifying the shock can be, especially as the joules/wattage is so much higher due to not directly going into veins/heart, both pain-wise and psychologically. Hopefully professional therapists/psychologists will give a strong advantage here though.

Did you manage to get back into it properly eventually?
Eventually. I had about 3 months of avoiding any exercise, then another 3 months of training badly because I was scared to push. All told I lost a full season of football because my head wasnt right.

Now I have no issues but now I only play for fun.
 

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One of the most intelligent players we had. I always felt he was wasted at CB with us. He has the ability to pass and create openings and shoot from long range too.
We should have used him as number 10.
Hope he gets well soon and take care of his health.
The guy was perfect as ball playing CB and should have been used as deep lying playmaker. A role I think under right coach Mata also would have adopted to.
 

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Daley Blind has returned to training 2 weeks after the incident vs Hertha BSC. The results of the tests after the incident gave no reason to keep him sidelined any longer!

Great news!
 

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Geez how did I miss this update. Glad he’s well. I’d retire if I was him - 30 years old, had a very good career and can start accumulating his coaching badges/focus on his health & family.

Here’s hoping he enjoys the rest of his career free of health (heart) issues!
 

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Daley Blind has returned to training 2 weeks after the incident vs Hertha BSC. The results of the tests after the incident gave no reason to keep him sidelined any longer!

Great news!
That's a pleasant surprise, I thought a second incident would mean it's going to keep happening so Blind had better retire now. I wish him the best for the rest of his career though.
 

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Daley Blind has returned to training 2 weeks after the incident vs Hertha BSC. The results of the tests after the incident gave no reason to keep him sidelined any longer!

Great news!
Great news. Maybe it was a false firing of his ICD after all.
 

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Blind played the full match in Ajax's season opener today. (A lousy 0-1 win to Sparta, in which he got a yellow - which must be pretty rare for him?)
 

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Blind played the full match in Ajax's season opener today. (A lousy 0-1 win to Sparta, in which he got a yellow - which must be pretty rare for him?)
I think he may of got one for us maybe ? Anyway glad he seems to be alright.
 

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Think they went down to ten men in the first half. Tagliafico sent off after 27 minutes.
28 minutes according to Teletekst, but yeah. Haven't seen any of the match, but the Teletekst report made it sound like a poor match from Ajax anyway. They won't care; man down most of the game and three points anyway in an away match.
 

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Why is he still playing? At what point does a governing body refuse to give him his license?
 

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Why is he still playing? At what point does a governing body refuse to give him his license?
What do you mean? The KNVB doctors would have certified him fit to play. Otherwise he is not going to get into the Dutch Team.
 

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What do you mean? The KNVB doctors would have certified him fit to play. Otherwise he is not going to get into the Dutch Team.
I mean he's twice gone down in a game with heart problems. Yet they keep rolling the dice.
 

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He played well yesterday. If he were fast, he would've been a truly world class left back. That's his only big downside.
 

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I mean he's twice gone down in a game with heart problems. Yet they keep rolling the dice.
As doctors have given the green light, there really should be no issue. They would have done all the tests to rule out anything viable that it could keep happening.
 

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I mean he's twice gone down in a game with heart problems. Yet they keep rolling the dice.
I understand this comment from an initial reaction perspective, however the truth is different... The second time his machine was triggered during the game and went off, thát is why he went down..

There has been done extensive medical research whý that machine went off, and the result was by mulitple experts that there was nothing wrong with his heart at that moment... So they finetuned the triggers in the machine and he was released again by all experts to play football again...
 
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I understand this comment from an initial reaction perspective, however the truth is different... The second time his machine was triggered during the game and went off, thát is why he went down..

There has been done extensive medical research whý that machine went off, and the result was by mulitple experts that there was nothing wrong with his heart at that moment... So they finetuned the triggers in the machine and he was released again by all experts to play football again...
that’s good to know.

such a nice guy, and lovely player. One that I want to do really well after United.
 

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I mean he's twice gone down in a game with heart problems. Yet they keep rolling the dice.
It's very likely it was not a heart problem this time. ICD's are triggered by abnormal heart rhythms, they can be tricked by a high heart rate that you might expect to get playing professional football. Doctors calibrate them but it's never perfect. There is every chance that's what happened and there was nothing wrong with his heart.

If it actually was his heart, i doubt he would still be playing.
 

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It's very likely it was not a heart problem this time. ICD's are triggered by abnormal heart rhythms, they can be tricked by a high heart rate that you might expect to get playing professional football. Doctors calibrate them but it's never perfect. There is every chance that's what happened and there was nothing wrong with his heart.

If it actually was his heart, i doubt he would still be playing.
I actually don’t know a lot about ICD’s but would presume they log the cardiac rhythm before and after firing. So it should be easy enough to find out if he suffered a worrying arthymia or if it was accidentally triggered by sinus tachycardia.
 

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He played well yesterday. If he were fast, he would've been a truly world class left back. That's his only big downside.
He was/is a very good CB, though. I think he was
/is better there. Integral part of our most successful season trophy-wise post SAF (a Europa title and the Carabao, ouch) and as soon as he ended up back at Ajax at CB they made the CL semi-finals and won the league after a 4 year drought.
 

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He was/is a very good CB, though. I think he was
/is better there. Integral part of our most successful season trophy-wise post SAF (a Europa title and the Carabao, ouch) and as soon as he ended up back at Ajax at CB they made the CL semi-finals and won the league after a 4 year drought.
And all the while teams are looking for players to do the exact job he did for us, playing the ball out of the back and constantly failing to find someone to do it better than he does especially with defending combined. That includes us and City