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Having read a bit about him, he sounds a pretty pointless option. The role he performs in front of the defence and becoming another CB is something that Fellaini could do pretty successfully in my opinion.
Fellaini can't do what Blind does because he is very bad tactically and very poor defensively.Having read a bit about him, he sounds a pretty pointless option. The role he performs in front of the defence and becoming another CB is something that Fellaini could do pretty successfully in my opinion.
Bullshit. I know it's popular to hate on Fellaini but he's not as bad as people make out. This Blind was languishing in the doldrums until this season according to what I've read. I'll be surprised if he's any better than Fellaini.Fellaini can't do what Blind does because he is very bad tactically and very poor defensively.
Fellaini has the football intelligence of a fish, to be honest and he's not as good defensively as Blind or as comfortable on the ball. So just how would he perform that role as well as him?Bullshit. I know it's popular to hate on Fellaini but he's not as bad as people make out. This Blind was languishing in the doldrums until this season according to what I've read. I'll be surprised if he's any better than Fellaini.
To be honest I'm just talking in probabilities. Fellaini isn't as bad as is made out, he's much better than he's shown this season. We'll find out more about Blind at the WC but I bet he's not as good as you make out. There's always someone on here blowing smoke up our arses about some random footballer. The fact that this guy nearly flopped in Eredivisie tells me he probably isn't going to be a 'top class player'.Fellaini has the football intelligence of a fish, to be honest and he's not as good defensively as Blind or as comfortable on the ball. So just how would he perform that role as well as him?
I didn't say that he was better than Fellaini, i said that Blind is a different player he can do things that Fellaini can't et vice versa.Bullshit. I know it's popular to hate on Fellaini but he's not as bad as people make out. This Blind was languishing in the doldrums until this season according to what I've read. I'll be surprised if he's any better than Fellaini.
Not all players stand out in their teens. For many players, staying at a lesser club to mature and develop as a player can work wonders. You don't have to look too far from home either - we signed both Evra and Vidic at 24, but barely anyone had heard of them when they were teenagers and both came from significantly weaker leagues. Ridiculous to suggest he's almost certainly mediocre purely based on his age. Plenty of players improve significantly beyond the age of 24, it's not a mechanical process, not all players peak at the same time of develop into top players as quickly.He's 24. If he was 18 or 19 I could understand it, but he's the same age as Tom Cleverley. Most people are stating on this forum that Tom's development has already peaked and is going no further. Why the feck would we go for a (not sure if he is a) midfielder that may well have no further scope for development, has never played outside of a poor league and that no other top club has been interested in previously? No doubt I'll get shot down in flames here but I don't see any value in clogging up the squad with more almost certainly mediocre players.
Fellaini should not be a defensive midfielder. He just doesn't have the discipline for it. One of the biggest problems for Fellaini is that he's been played at the wrong end of the pitch for us due to our weak midfield. I won't blame Moyes... Na, I will. Totally the wrong signing for what we needed at the time. I don;t know if he has a future at United.To be honest I'm just talking in probabilities. Fellaini isn't as bad as is made out, he's much better than he's shown this season. We'll find out more about Blind at the WC but I bet he's not as good as you make out. There's always someone on here blowing smoke up our arses about some random footballer. The fact that this guy nearly flopped in Eredivisie tells me he probably isn't going to be a 'top class player'.
While I agree with your point, I'm going to be a pedant and say that Evra was a champions league finalist before he came to us and had a good deal of pedigree.I've not seen much of him personally, but someone capable of playing at left back and defensive midfield would be a great option for us. As I say I've not seen him much but he's got some high praise over the past season. Michael Cox of Zonal Marking, for instance, described him as 'ludicrously talented'. Always thought he was a great judge of a player, but he's not the only one.
Not all players stand out in their teens. For many players, staying at a lesser club to mature and develop as a player can work wonders. You don't have to look too far from home either - we signed both Evra and Vidic at 24, but barely anyone had heard of them when they were teenagers and both came from significantly weaker leagues. Ridiculous to suggest he's almost certainly mediocre purely based on his age. Plenty of players improve significantly beyond the age of 24, it's not a mechanical process, not all players peak at the same time of develop into top players as quickly.
Whilst I will not disagree that some players can take longer to mature you cannot deny that the over-exposed nature of the game today suggests that finding the hidden bargains is that much more unlikely. To suggest that all of the clubs in Germany, France, Italy, Spain and England have overlooked this player is stretching credibility. Which other top club has been linked or attempted to buy? I can get that a player may be overlooked in a Uruguayan or Honduran league for example. I can't beleive that a relative journeyman with a famous dad at a very famous club would have not been scouted by most of the top teams and all of them decided to pass. Its Van Gaals insistance on a Dutch bias that is driving this, not neccesarily the ability of the player and he has a lot of previous for this.I've not seen much of him personally, but someone capable of playing at left back and defensive midfield would be a great option for us. As I say I've not seen him much but he's got some high praise over the past season. Michael Cox of Zonal Marking, for instance, described him as 'ludicrously talented'. Always thought he was a great judge of a player, but he's not the only one.
Not all players stand out in their teens. For many players, staying at a lesser club to mature and develop as a player can work wonders. You don't have to look too far from home either - we signed both Evra and Vidic at 24, but barely anyone had heard of them when they were teenagers and both came from significantly weaker leagues. Ridiculous to suggest he's almost certainly mediocre purely based on his age. Plenty of players improve significantly beyond the age of 24, it's not a mechanical process, not all players peak at the same time of develop into top players as quickly.
He had indeed, though only a year and a half prior to United signing him. Given that it was contested by Monaco and Porto, there are a fair few players from that season who played in the final but didn't go on to have great careers. Decent pedigree though I agree.While I agree with your point, I'm going to be a pedant and say that Evra was a champions league finalist before he came to us and had a good deal of pedigree.
He's not 30, though, he's just turned 24. He's not a journeyman either, as he came through the Ajax academy and has only played for Groningen on loan otherwise. I understand the reluctance to hype a player on the basis of his father but in this case he's Ajax captain, last year's Ajax player of the year and this year's Eredivisie player of the year. Neither Vidic nor Evra can host equivalent honours from leagues of a similar level.Whilst I will not disagree that some players can take longer to mature you cannot deny that the over-exposed nature of the game today suggests that finding the hidden bargains is that much more unlikely. To suggest that all of the clubs in Germany, France, Italy, Spain and England have overlooked this player is stretching credibility. Which other top club has been linked or attempted to buy? I can get that a player may be overlooked in a Uruguayan or Honduran league for example. I can't beleive that a relative journeyman with a famous dad at a very famous club would have not been scouted by most of the top teams and all of them decided to pass. Its Van Gaals insistance on a Dutch bias that is driving this, not neccesarily the ability of the player and he has a lot of previous for this.
Might be too late for that. He is 24 already. He well may become a good player, but a "top class" sell is a bit of a reach.Seriously though, I think he's going to develope into a top class player. Would like us to sign him.
And that goes for Fellaini? Otherwise you don't make much sense.You don't need 11 world class players to be the best. I know nothing about Blind, but if Van Gaal has a specific role for him in the squad then he could prove to be useful. Certainly, if he is good on the ball and good with his defensive position, he would be an upgrade on Fellaini. Fellaini is at best a squad player. If we could get him out and get Blind in contributing more specifically whilst saving money, that is only a good thing. That goes for any player Van Gaal thinks can work in a certain way/system.
You make some good points. Obviously he can progress, and be a useful player in a top team, although i think "top class" is not that probable. But then again we do have examples on Fernandinho in City or even Yaya Toure who was just slightly younger while still playing wherever he was before Barca.He's not 30, though, he's just turned 24. He's not a journeyman either, as he came through the Ajax academy and has only played for Groningen on loan otherwise. I understand the reluctance to hype a player on the basis of his father but in this case he's Ajax captain, last year's Ajax player of the year and this year's Eredivisie player of the year. Neither Vidic nor Evra can host equivalent honours from leagues of a similar level.
When you talk of the top clubs deciding against him, you're essentially talking about a select group of 10-15 who can a) afford him and b) have a chance of signing him. I'm sure the likes of Newcastle or Fiorentina would love to have him but a move to any side that isn't in the top band of clubs really wouldn't make sense for a player of that pedigree. Of that select band I'm sure the vast majority are fully aware of his progress and several would consider making an approach if he became available this summer.
I don't think anybody can say 24 is too late for anyone and certainly not somebody who was very recently converted from a fullback into a deep-lying midfielder.Might be too late for that. He is 24 already. He well may become a good player, but a "top class" sell is a bit of a reach.
But lets see how he fares at WC.
Well, Strootman injury give his all the opportunities he needs to shine on the world's biggest stage. Lets see how well he'll top level football.I don't think anybody can say 24 is too late for anyone and certainly not somebody who was very recently converted from a fullback into a deep-lying midfielder.
His whole argument was based on his having read a bit about him apparently, but he still speaks with ostensible authority. Gotta admire his shamelessness.I see pocco is still hating on everything Dutch. I bet he hasn't even watched Blind play.
You don't need 11 world class players to be the best. I know nothing about Blind, but if Van Gaal has a specific role for him in the squad then he could prove to be useful. Certainly, if he is good on the ball and good with his defensive position, he would be an upgrade on Fellaini. Fellaini is at best a squad player. If we could get him out and get Blind in contributing more specifically whilst saving money, that is only a good thing. That goes for any player Van Gaal thinks can work in a certain way/system.
I do not see the worth in Fellaini because even he does not know what he is.
What is Fellaini? What is he good at? He does not deserve a place as a squad player when he costs so much and is on high wages. Which is why I said, if we were to sign someone at a low fee on low wages who could do a useful job in a certain system then players like Fellaini should be replaced. Same goes for Young.And that goes for Fellaini? Otherwise you don't make much sense.
short sighted people with dyslexia.Sounds like a newspaper for shortsighted people.
And apparently Fellaini can perform the same role pretty successfully in pocco's head. A frightening insight into what goes on in pocco's head.His whole argument was based on his having read a bit about him apparently, but he still speaks with ostensible authority. Gotta admire his shamelessness.
No. I've only seen him in two matches, but his is nothing like V Bronkhorst. If anything he is closer to a P Neville as type of player.I remember people compared him similiarly to van Bronkhorst. If he turns out exactly like him, i think we will have a very good and competent player on our hands. And i read he's the captain of Ajax, isn't he?
Pretty much this.I can see this one happening. Whether anybody likes it or not, Van Gaal is all about the system and who works in it, ahead of players, their names and reputations. If he feels this guy fits his system and what he wants to play (you'd assume he does, he's taking him to the world cup) then he'll sign him irrespective of how big a name or reputation in football he has.
Never seen the guy play, know nothing about him, but if Van Gaal sees a role for him here then I'm happy to see how it goes.
I agree with this.I can see this one happening. Whether anybody likes it or not, Van Gaal is all about the system and who works in it, ahead of players, their names and reputations. If he feels this guy fits his system and what he wants to play (you'd assume he does, he's taking him to the world cup) then he'll sign him irrespective of how big a name or reputation in football he has.
Never seen the guy play, know nothing about him, but if Van Gaal sees a role for him here then I'm happy to see how it goes.
If Carrick is able to rediscover his form of the 2012/13 season, I don't see any reason why he couldn't perform the role as a pivot in a three-man midfield, just as effectively as Blind would. He's just come off of a poor season for us, but he still remains our most competent midfielder and van Gaal is a manager always inclined to assess and improve the players at his disposal first and foremost.I can see this one happening. Whether anybody likes it or not, Van Gaal is all about the system and who works in it, ahead of players, their names and reputations. If he feels this guy fits his system and what he wants to play (you'd assume he does, he's taking him to the world cup) then he'll sign him irrespective of how big a name or reputation in football he has.
Never seen the guy play, know nothing about him, but if Van Gaal sees a role for him here then I'm happy to see how it goes.
I was one of the people who compared him to Van Bronckhorst and it's pretty much spot on. I also said that while Gio made it to Arsenal and won the Champions League as a left back with Barca, I doubt Blind will reach that level.No. I've only seen him in two matches, but his is nothing like V Bronkhorst. If anything he is closer to a P Neville as type of player.
Isn't pocco the poster who is apparently friends with Moyes' family or something like that? His posts since Moyes' sacking have been completely agenda driven especially as far as RvP and anything connected to LvG or Woody is concerned. More than just a bit predictable.And apparently Fellaini can perform the same role pretty successfully in pocco's head. A frightening insight into what goes on in pocco's head.
You can't compare van Bronkhurst to Blind. VB stared off as left winger at Feyenoord and got converted to a left back. Blind stared as left central defender in the Ajax youth, played at left back for Ajax first team, mainly due to injuries of Boilessen and finally de Boer converted him to a defensive midfielder. He is not quick but has a good left foot and is positional excellent. Is not a world class player but no team has 11 world class playersIsn't pocco the poster who is apparently friends with Moyes' family or something like that? His posts since Moyes' sacking have been completely agenda driven especially as far as RvP and anything connected to LvG or Woody is concerned. More than just a bit predictable.
I think you quoted the wrong post/poster, but still point takenYou can't compare van Bronkhurst to Blind. VB stared off as left winger at Feyenoord and got converted to a left back. Blind stared as left central defender in the Ajax youth, played at left back for Ajax first team, mainly due to injuries of Boilessen and finally de Boer converted him to a defensive midfielder. He is not quick but has a good left foot and is positional excellent. Is not a world class player but no team has 11 world class players
He is more dynamic and aggressive than CarrickSo he's a good passer with good positional sense despite not being flashy or particularly quick. Is he practically a dutch Carrick then?
If so, shamon...