Dalot or AWB?

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Dalot's attacking abilities are average and apart from that he didn't offer much.

AWB with proper coaching and confidence, at the very least he can be very good in defensive side and who knows how his attacking game can develop under ETH.
But Wan-Bissaka is starting at an awful base defensively even. He’s never in the right place and constantly just stands there jaw agape as balls are played to his man who’s running beyond him.

Just because he can make a slide tackle doesn’t make him a good defensive player. Whilst not being good enough (at this stage at least) Dalot is better at most aspects of defending.
 

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But Wan-Bissaka is starting at an awful base defensively even. He’s never in the right place and constantly just stands there jaw agape as balls are played to his man who’s running beyond him.

Just because he can make a slide tackle doesn’t make him a good defensive player. Whilst not being good enough (at this stage at least) Dalot is better at most aspects of defending.
They are both not good enough. Dalot is more comfortable on the ball thats it.
 

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Which is literally what I said?

Dalot is also in the right place and attentive more than Wan-Bissaka, which is more of an indictment of the latter than praise of the former
No you said Dalot is better at more aspects of defending
 

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But Wan-Bissaka is starting at an awful base defensively even. He’s never in the right place and constantly just stands there jaw agape as balls are played to his man who’s running beyond him.

Just because he can make a slide tackle doesn’t make him a good defensive player. Whilst not being good enough (at this stage at least) Dalot is better at most aspects of defending.
If u based on last season, almost every players was awful under Ole and ETH. Even Varane looked average.

AWB was much better season before last. Our defence last season was non existent because our midfield was very weak. Dalot was preferred because we need more attacking contribution from the FB to ease our struggle to score goal. Dalot also made tons of mistakes defensively.

Let's be clear, neither of them are good enough but if I have to choose I will still go for AWB. He was once one of the better RB in PL.
 

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That's because we played counter attack rather than trying to dominate or play possession football. It's like people suggested us to sign Tarkowski or some fans thought he's good for top club because his impressive performance at Burnley but that's mainly because he was perfect for Burnley's style of play.
I agree but So? This is PSG and City; I’m not sure we can go and play the best possession football in their garden either.

I just don’t know what Dalot would offer for a possession based team or a non possessive team either.

Wan Bissaka was good at keeping some quality inverted forwards quiet at one point - & more than it being about counter football it was more that clubs learnt to play one twos and the ball around Wan Bissaka for his slide tackles and onevs One ability to be of no use.

Still if I had to coach one it would be AWB than Dalot.
 

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I'd move on both tbh. Now is the time to cash in on Dalot.
Probably need to loan AWB to get his value back up before selling.

Wouldn't mind keeping Laird for Europa or back-up

Why do folks keep touting Elanga for RB. Did he play their at some stage when he was younger?
 

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If given the choice, I would prefer AWB to stay and fight it out with either a new incoming right back or Laird.

Dalot just has absolutely nothing to his game.
 

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If given the choice, I would prefer AWB to stay and fight it out with either a new incoming right back or Laird.

Dalot just has absolutely nothing to his game.
We need a new RB, if not I would play Laird there. None of the other 2 are good enough.
 

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This isn't even a debate. AWB is the third-worst transfer of the past decade I'd say. Only behind Pogba and Sanchez. He is absolutely awful. He has one good skill and absolutely nothing else. Dalot is miles better and still young, he could greatly benefit from Ten Hag's coaching.

What I'd do is sell AWB this summer for a decent fee, buy another RB and keep Dalot as a squad player to see how he develops.
 

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If given the choice, I would prefer AWB to stay and fight it out with either a new incoming right back or Laird.

Dalot just has absolutely nothing to his game.
He has more ability on the ball and going forward than AWB does, which surely makes him more useful to a ten Hag team than AWB (who is utterly inept on the ball). Neither are good enough, but weighing up their respect abilities (Dalot better on the ball; AWB better at slide tackles - neither good enough defensively), Dalot is the clear winner in my opinion.
 

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I agree but So? This is PSG and City; I’m not sure we can go and play the best possession football in their garden either.

I just don’t know what Dalot would offer for a possession based team or a non possessive team either.

Wan Bissaka was good at keeping some quality inverted forwards quiet at one point - & more than it being about counter football it was more that clubs learnt to play one twos and the ball around Wan Bissaka for his slide tackles and onevs One ability to be of no use.

Still if I had to coach one it would be AWB than Dalot.
The answer of your question is that AWB was only good at keeping some quality inverted forwards quiet at one point is due to the fact that the team played sit back most of the time, tried to defend against their attack to play counter attack. This style of play allows us to be compact defensively as we played like 8 or 9 defenders aka parking the bus, which limit the opposition players to find space to dribble more freely or pass the ball to. So this style of play helps AWB to show his showcase to deal with player one v one as the opposition players would struggle to find more space to expose their opposition defenders. Therefore, this is the reason why I mentioned in my original post about the way how team play also play key factor to make player looks good in your eye.

So, if we play the opposite, which trying to play possession or push high up the pitch for example. AWB wouldn't be able to show his tackling ability to deal with player one v one as good as what you saw vs Sterling because the opposition team would find more space to expose our defense more as by push higher up the pitch, this wouldn't make our defense compact like parking the bus with 9 defenders, 1 keeper, and 1 forward.

For team like Burnley or teams that in charged by Mourinho's type of football, which how we played at that time, AWB would be fine. Do you want us to play like that?

For team that wants to play like ten Hag. You want defenders to be very good at progressing the ball. Who's better between AWB and Dalot at progressive the ball?

 

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I've seen way more good, effective play from AWB than I have from Dalot. Why on earth would I want rid of him for Dalot? People still caping for Dalot after last season??
 

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I've seen way more good, effective play from AWB than I have from Dalot. Why on earth would I want rid of him for Dalot? People still caping for Dalot after last season??
I don't think anyone is 'caping' for Dalot. People are just saying he suits a ten Hag team better than AWB ever will - which the numbers back up. Also, the majority of people that prefer Dalot to AWB are also saying that he isn't good enough regardless, even if he is more suitable than AWB. It's as simple as that, really.
 

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I don't think anyone is 'caping' for Dalot. People are just saying he suits a ten Hag team better than AWB ever will - which the numbers back up. Also, the majority of people that prefer Dalot to AWB are also saying that he isn't good enough regardless, even if he is more suitable than AWB. It's as simple as that, really.
It's dumb.
 

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AWB every day of the week. Dalot is awful but his selling point here is that he's less hated than AWB because he looks better on the ball.

i will never unsee the way Danjuma ripped Dalot apart vs Villareal at OT last season. Not since Gary Neville on OAP legs up against Etherington have I seen a fullback of ours skinned so bad. Say what you want about Wan Bissaka and all his faults but that can never happen to him.
 

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We need a new RB, if not I would play Laird there. None of the other 2 are good enough.
Laird, what's peoples fascination. He's no where near good enough and only started six times for Bournemouth on loan. Do you think Laird is better than Dalot and AWB or something?
 

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AWB every day of the week. Dalot is awful but his selling point here is that he's less hated than AWB because he looks better on the ball.

i will never unsee the way Danjuma ripped Dalot apart vs Villareal at OT last season. Not since Gary Neville on OAP legs up against Etherington have I seen a fullback of ours skinned so bad. Say what you want about Wan Bissaka and all his faults but that can never happen to him.
This is where I stand on the AWB/Dalot debate.

Other than stepovers, I don't think there's anything Dalot does better than AWB. Not even passing. Dalot's basic technique gets overstated because he has a trick or two. Not too dissimilar to how Pogba and Martial are viewed by many, really. It easy to see why they all have such dedicated (but misguided) fanclubs.
 

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Wan-Bissaka is better generally, in as much as he doesn’t defend like a complete idiot. Awful at the back post, mind you.

Dalot is slightly better at keeping his composure and passing it through midfield. He’s still pretty shite going forward, though.

In truth, neither are good enough to play every week and we need a replacement this summer.
 

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This isn't even a debate. AWB is the third-worst transfer of the past decade I'd say. Only behind Pogba and Sanchez. He is absolutely awful. He has one good skill and absolutely nothing else. Dalot is miles better and still young, he could greatly benefit from Ten Hag's coaching.

What I'd do is sell AWB this summer for a decent fee, buy another RB and keep Dalot as a squad player to see how he develops.
Yeah that's what I hope happens too, however the noises about AWB leaving have been very quiet from the reliable sources
 

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People like to say that Dalot will be more suitable to ETH's style. The same was mentioned about Henderson.

End up ETH's prefer DDG. It will be the same for AWB, he has very high ceiling and can be coached to play at very high level.
 

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People like to say that Dalot will be more suitable to ETH's style. The same was mentioned about Henderson.

End up ETH's prefer DDG. It will be the same for AWB, he has very high ceiling and can be coached to play at very high level.
I have absolutely no idea who you’ve been watching, but it can’t be the Aaron Wan-Bissaka that I have. I’ve not seen a shred of evidence that he’ll ever be better than deep defending perennial relegation contender.
 

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I have absolutely no idea who you’ve been watching, but it can’t be the Aaron Wan-Bissaka that I have. I’ve not seen a shred of evidence that he’ll ever be better than deep defending perennial relegation contender.
Let him train under ETH and we shall see. You will be in for a surprise.
 

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Everyone talks about how poor AWB is going forward, but as bad as he is going forward, I think he's even worse defensively. Don't get me wrong...1 vs 1 he just may be the best defender in the world. The problem is his marking when his player doesn't have the ball. He gets sucked in way too much and completely abandons his winger. Good thing is this can be taught. So he really just needs to work on his crossing and he could be a good player. Dalot for now is ahead of him, but I think this is as good as he can get. AWB could possibly have room for improvement. Either way, neither should be starting for MUFC at this point...
 

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There’s way too many issues with his game for that. Training may improve a couple of parts of his game, not literally every facet of football beyond slide tackling.
He was good in his first season with us. He has great stamina running up and down the flank. He can defence and press well. The only thing he needs to improve on is his attacking play. But last season all our attacking plays were shit. Under ETH with proper system it will look much better. It will be easier for him to pass and link up play in the attack.
 

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He was good in his first season with us. He has great stamina running up and down the flank. He can defence and press well. The only thing he needs to improve on is his attacking play. But last season all our attacking plays were shit. Under ETH with proper system it will look much better. It will be easier for him to pass and link up play in the attack.
But he’s always out of position and caught ball watching. That’s a massive area of a full backs defensive game that he’s terrible at.
 

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But he’s always out of position and caught ball watching. That’s a massive area of a full backs defensive game that he’s terrible at.
Last season even Varane looked average. Maguire was a disaster. Shaw was also below par. Lindelof is Lindelof. Telles and Dalot were terrible in defending.
 

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Last season even Varane looked average. Maguire was a disaster. Shaw was also below par. Lindelof is Lindelof. Telles and Dalot were terrible in defending.
Then explain why Wan-Bissaka was exactly the same the year before.

He’s just not a good defender. Leipzig knocked us out of the Champions League by taking advantage of his awful defending 3 times in one game. Numerous teams actively give the ball to him knowing he’s a calamity and will allow them to counter. Teams actively search a long cross field ball knowing he’ll be nowhere near where he should and have for years. This is just his defensive attributes.
 

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Then explain why Wan-Bissaka was exactly the same the year before.

He’s just not a good defender. Leipzig knocked us out of the Champions League by taking advantage of his awful defending 3 times in one game. Numerous teams actively give the ball to him knowing he’s a calamity and will allow them to counter. Teams actively search a long cross field ball knowing he’ll be nowhere near where he should and have for years. This is just his defensive attributes.
I think we just have to agree to disagree. Defending is not a 1 player thing. It's a team efforts. There are also many games AWB were excellent.
 

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Ok?

Wan Bissaka is very good at one thing, and absolutely atrocious at literally everything else.
itll be interesting to see if you are right in a few weeks. ETH wouldn't start him in even a single game if he is 'atrocious' at everything else so we will quickly know if you are talking bolox or not
 

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I think we just have to agree to disagree. Defending is not a 1 player thing. It's a team efforts. There are also many games AWB were excellent.
A team effort that he doesn’t contribute to because he’s proven time and again to be totally brainless. His idea of team effort is just playing strikers onside more than the rest of the back four combined.

He’s been excellent in about 3 games in his United career and they were all games we had 30% possession
 

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AWB possibly up for sale, Dalot favoured.

I guess both are fairly uninspiring options, going forward, but I'd lean towards AWB.

The position can't be seen as a priority, this summer, so if we end up keeping both, it wouldn't be a disaster.

Which might fit into Ten Hag's system better?
Not really a choice - AWB is finished. After three seasons in which he has all in all regressed, it's just obvious that he's not going to either develop the offensive game needed or function well enough as part of a defensive unit to be a go-to option at this club. Once that has become as clear as it is by now, there's nothing more to do. The club won't have any confidence in him, he won't either. He just has to go, whether we can replace him or not. Dalot is all we have. Shudder.
 
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