RedRonaldo
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I've always defend him here. All credits to me.
Bizarre argumentI find this to be a bizarre thread.
United have had a very, very mediocre start to the season, and Fletcher has been played in all bar one game.
The last time he was so integral to the team was pre-Carrick and I think our results spoke for themselves.
He's a great squad player but, like Park, you don't win Champions Leagues and Premierships with them being anywhere near your first choice XI.
I'd love to see the two of those given a go as a partnership, add Anderson to that, and that's a crackin' 3 man midfield.He controlled the match for the first half an hour. Wasn't quite so good for the rest of the match, but still one of our best players.
Fletch has always done well as the tireless hassler against the top teams, but generally struggled against lesser teams where we've needed better use of the ball. But he's showing signs of coming good in that area as well, he ran the show for the first 30 today and did the same in one of our other games (Villareal I think).
Hopefully he can keep this form up, I want to see the Carrick-Fletcher combo again. The two of them together have pulled off some of our best performances of the last two seasons, but haven't really had a good run together.
He's been the best player so far this season getting into dangerous areas, and probably the form player of the season so far (along with Evra lately).Even when fully fit the other midfielders would need to find some sort of form. Which frankly he has and none of the others do, except maybe Anderson.
"What did he do?" Some good crossing - which is frankly new from Fletcher. Great competativeness, which is not new. And we've seen how much he's improved over the years as a goal threat. He's dangerous in the air and he's starting to put the ball in the back of the net with his feet too.
What does Hargreaves do? The same. He may not be world class, but he's an outstanding and loyal backup (Fletcher) and we'd have to part with more than £18 million to replace him.
Its a troubled existance you lead, right enoughThis place never ceases to amaze me. I spent about 4 years fighting a virtually lone battle in thread after thread, arguing that Darren was a good footballer, wan't shit, wasn't talentless, wasn't a Championship player, had plenty to offer. Now he gets a bit of consistency and scores a couple of goals and suddenly he's brilliant, a great player, world class.
You're a bunch of fecking retards
What, that when Fletch is a starter for us we win feck all but when he's a bit part player we bags Premierships and European Cups? I thought it was pretty basic to be honest.Bizarre argument
I think that is a fair summary to be honest.I find this to be a bizarre thread.
United have had a very, very mediocre start to the season, and Fletcher has been played in all bar one game.
The last time he was so integral to the team was pre-Carrick and I think our results spoke for themselves.
He's a great squad player but, like Park, you don't win Champions Leagues and Premierships with them being anywhere near your first choice XI.
Still dont get it. Ronaldo was part of our first choice XI while we won feck all.What, that when Fletch is a starter for us we win feck all but when he's a bit part player we bags Premierships and European Cups? I thought it was pretty basic to be honest.
But IQ levels in the Cafe have been dropping sharply in recent years. I blame global warming and fast food.
Yes, but he didn't get dropped when we got someone better in. This is pretty basic stuff mate.Still dont get it. Ronaldo was part of our first choice XI while we won feck all.
We didnt get anyone better in, or did I miss that oneYes, but he didn't get dropped when we got someone better in. This is pretty basic stuff mate.
Fletch wasnt the same player 2 years ago. Just like Ronaldo wasnt the same player 2 years ago.What, that when Fletch is a starter for us we win feck all but when he's a bit part player we bags Premierships and European Cups? I thought it was pretty basic to be honest.
But IQ levels in the Cafe have been dropping sharply in recent years. I blame global warming and fast food.
Someone once said "you dont win anything with kids". Could this be your Hansen moment Ralphie?He's a great squad player but, like Park, you don't win Champions Leagues and Premierships with them being anywhere near your first choice XI.
You are spot on. The next question you need to ask yourself is why we didn't get anyone better in for Ronaldo but did get someone better in for Fletcher. Then you'l be ready to confront the uncomfortable truth.We didnt get anyone better in, or did I miss that one
That may well be considering we've got quite a few centre midfielders these days. But based on what he's done the last couple of years it's kind of strange to write him off like that, and then call it 'basic stuff'United will not win the Premier League with Fletcher as first choice centre midfield.
We got players in because Fletcher - as a young player - wasnt deemed good enough to start week after week. Another reason we got players in was because we needed a larger squad to battle on all fronts.You are spot on. The next question you need to ask yourself is why we didn't get anyone better in for Ronaldo but did get someone better in for Fletcher. Then you'l be ready to confront the uncomfortable truth.
United will not win the Premier League with Fletcher as first choice centre midfield.
You heard it here first and you can bttt this as and when (I certainly will).
Bingo.We got players in because Fletcher - as a young player - wasnt deemed good enough to start week after week. Another reason we got players in was because we needed a larger squad to battle on all fronts.
Or did we get Hargreaves in because Carrick isnt and never will be good enough?
Carrick.We didnt get anyone better in, or did I miss that one
For Ronaldo. You've already answered that one mateCarrick.
Talk Geordie bloke, reads the game well, breaks up opposition attacks, plays a good ball, took over the No.16 shirt. He arrived.... er, ell when we started winning stuff again.
There wasn't a replacement. That was my point!For Ronaldo. You've already answered that one mate
For who, Ronaldo?There wasn't a replacement. That was my point!
Good night*bangs head against wall*
Goodnight.
You conveniently missed the other part of my post.Bingo.
And it's easy enough to test out my hypothesis, let's wait and see.
What, that when Fletch is a starter for us we win feck all but when he's a bit part player we bags Premierships and European Cups? I thought it was pretty basic to be honest.
But IQ levels in the Cafe have been dropping sharply in recent years. I blame global warming and fast food.
This is a rather childish argument. You can't just label people as "squad players" and "starters". If his performances are better than his peers then he should be in the team.Decent squad player, should not be a starter, end of.
i agree, its not the contract or salary that decide who will play, if rooney or roanldo or ferdinand is not playing well, he/they should be dropped from the team to someone who is scoring goal or is in form and thats was SAF did against Bolton.This is a rather childish argument. You can't just label people as "squad players" and "starters". If his performances are better than his peers then he should be in the team.
My what a few years difference it makesGood player though and seems to be the most fasionable player on here at the moment thats for sure.
Sadly,Spot on.I find this to be a bizarre thread.
United have had a very, very mediocre start to the season, and Fletcher has been played in all bar one game.
The last time he was so integral to the team was pre-Carrick and I think our results spoke for themselves.
He's a great squad player but, like Park, you don't win Champions Leagues and Premierships with them being anywhere near your first choice XI.