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David Moyes: Is Real Sociedad boss on verge of being sacked?
By Andy WestSpanish football writer
David Moyes is in trouble.

The Scot's Real Sociedad team are marooned near the bottom of La Liga - they could be in the relegation zone by the end of the weekend - and a limp performance in Friday's 2-0 defeat against lowly Las Palmas has left his future in serious doubt.

Although Moyes, 52, could still survive through the international break, the club's board have been holding talks this weekend which may result in his imminent sacking.

This is how the story is unfolding.

At crisis point?
Moyes's potential departure from the Anoeta has been a slow burning story for the last few weeks, but in the last couple of days it has started to accelerate quickly.

Sociedad, known throughout Spain as 'La Real', have made a poor start to the season, winning just twice (both away from home) and have nine points from their opening 11 games.

But the real crisis point arrived with Friday's defeat at Las Palmas, which quickly led to reports that the San Sebastian club's president Jokin Aperribay is poised to act and end Moyes's time at the club, perhaps even before the first anniversary of his arrival in Spain on Tuesday.

After La Real's recent struggles, Friday's trip to Las Palmas was always billed as a significant encounter for Moyes's regime, but the general feeling was that his job was safe unless his team delivered a disastrous display.

Unfortunately for the former Everton and Manchester United boss,'disastrous' is pretty much the right word to describe the way his team performed - or didn't - against a Las Palmas outfit which had previously only won one game all season.

The hosts were clearly superior, deserved their goals from Jonathan Viera and Sergio Araujo, and were rarely seriously threatened by Moyes's team. It took no time at all for furious criticism to emerge from La Real fans - along with serious demands for the manager's head.

Media and fans furious
Until Friday night, the majority of Real Sociedad fans were, while frustrated with their team's results and sceptical about Moyes's ability to turn things around, not yet ready to express outright hostility.

But that all changed immediately after the loss against Las Palmas.

'Moyes' was a trending topic on Twitter in Spain after the game, with very few of the accompanying comments offering sentiments of support. Indeed, many of them finished with the hashtag #MoyesDimision ('Moyes resign') or #MoyesVeteYa ('Moyes go now').

The media was similarly critical, with a summary of the game in local newspaper Diario Vasco complaining that "when this team takes one step forward, it takes two back", and adding that their efforts on Friday night had been directed by "impulse" rather than a clear plan.


Real Sociedad suffered a sixth loss in 11 league games on Friday to increase the pressure on manager David Moyes

As noted by Mikel Encinas, the editor of newspaper Mundo Deportivo's coverage of the club, the main cause of anger was not the result itself but "the image presented by the team".

Most damning of all was a comment piece by Diario Vasco's Inaki Izquierdo, who concluded that Moyes "still bears the impression of someone who has only just arrived and doesn't understand the club, the players, the league, the city, the opponents, the referees, the languages, the stadia, the timetables…"

Moyes himself accepted that Friday's performance was below standard, acknowledging after the game that "the players have to improve, and so do I".

However, he also refused to quit, insisting that he wants to stay with the club until the end of the season, when his contract is due to expire.

Whether Aperribay feels the same way remains to be seen.

Early optimism to sceptical indifference
Initially, the appointment of Moyes in replacing Jagoba Arrasate a year ago prompted enthusiasm in San Sebastian, especially when his first two months in charge yielded a creditable draw in the all-important local derby against Athletic Bilbao, and an improbable home victory over Barcelona.

But the early bout of positivity gradually subsided into indifference and by the end of last season, which saw La Real finish in 12th position, the jury was still out.

Fears that the team were destined for another season of struggle - despite a significant summer outlay in the transfer market (see below) - were further heightened by a mundane start to the new season which saw the team draw their first two games 0-0 and then lose 1-0 at Real Betis.


Moyes is enduring a torrid time in Spain and is still waiting for a first home win of the season

Starting the season without a single goal in 270 minutes was not exactly the way to get the fans onboard, and a 3-2 home defeat against Espanyol in the next outing put Moyes under more pressure.

Still, though, there was a widespread acknowledgement that the team's performances had deserved more: Espanyol's winner was a scrambled effort in injury time, and La Real had created chances to take at least a point from the game at Betis.

A 4-0 win at Levante at the end of October bought Moyes some more time, and although that was followed by a 3-2 home defeat by Celta Vigo, it was widely thought he would be given until Christmas at least.

But then came the debacle at Las Palmas.

Big spender
Whatever complaints Moyes may have about his time in Spain, insufficient backing from his board in the transfer market cannot be one of them.

Considering the size of the club and their relative lack of resources, Real Sociedad spent heavily in the summer to put the most expensive squad in the club's history at Moyes's disposal.


Asier Illarramendi returned to Real Sociedad, just two years after leaving the club for Real Madrid

The biggest signing was midfielder Asier Illarramendi, who was brought back 'home' from Real Madrid after a disappointing couple of seasons at the Bernabeu for a club record fee of around 17 million euros.

Another big money signing was Brazilian striker Jonathas, who had impressed last season with Elche, while the arrival of Portuguese winger Bruma on loan from Galatasaray was another which increased expectation.

The club's board also secured the services of highly-rated young Argentine goalkeeper Geronimo Rulli, 23, who had spent the previous season on loan at the Anoeta and attracted serious interest from Valencia as they sought to replace injured first choice keeper Diego Alves.

The team's failure to progress despite such a heavy outlay will likely be a major factor in the club's decision over the future of Moyes.

What next?
If Moyes does survive through the upcoming international break, his task will hardly get any easier when action resumes in a fortnight.

La Real's next opponents are Europa League holders Sevilla, followed by a daunting trip to Barcelona at the end of November.

And after a cup rematch with Las Palmas and a local derby with Eibar, their year ends with meetings against Villarreal and Real Madrid.

Real Sociedad's next five games
21 November:
Sevilla (h)

28 November: Barcelona (a)

3 December: Las Palmas (a) - Copa del Rey

6 December: Eibar (h)

13 December: Getafe (a)

If Moyes does leave sooner rather than later, however, the man supposedly in the frame to replace him is Juan Antonio Pizzi, who was controversially sacked by Valencia at the end of the 2013/14 season to make way for Nuno Espirito Santo.

But there would also be plenty of pressure on the club's president Aperribay, who put a great deal of his personal reputation on the line by making such a big effort to snap up Moyes a year ago when a deal had already been drawn up to appoint ex-West Brom boss Pepe Mel (now back at Real Betis).

Many fans have included Aperribay in their criticism of Moyes, arguing that if the decision to appoint the Scot has proven to be erroneous, the man who made that decision should also be held responsible.
 
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Not really suited to a foreign job. Will land a mid table job in England and do well. That's his level.
 

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Shit manager, completely out of his depth. Was lucky to scrape by for so long at Everton. Be madness if another top flight club took him on.
 

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After Moyes' miserable season at Man Utd I was shocked Sociedad gave him the job. Seemed crazy then, still does now.
 

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Average manager. Couldn't believe Sociedad took him, mental that they went with him knowing he was completely out of his depth in his previous job. His level is Sunderland or Aston Villa.
 

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Two failed jobs in a row. His confidence must be rock bottom. Might be smart taking a step down to a Championship club in order to rebuild his reputation.
 

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I still can't believe he was here. He's bang average.
 

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Average manager. Couldn't believe Sociedad took him, mental that they went with him knowing he was completely out of his depth in his previous job. His level is Sunderland or Aston Villa.
I am genuinely sorry for the Societdad fans and set up. Moyes is a donkey.
 

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Not wumming at all. He's actually a terrible manager, and a bit dim. It surprises me more people can't see it.
Yeah I don't particularly think he's great, but I think it's harsh calling his time at Everton a fluke!

He's more delusional then anything else though. Believes himself to be a top manager. Mid table is his level.
 

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Best to keep him overseas, don't want that sort of negative hex power to be taken lightly. This is the man who for a short period last year nearly had Barcelona in meltdown.
 

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Yeah I don't particularly think he's great, but I think it's harsh calling his time at Everton a fluke!

He's more delusional then anything else though. Believes himself to be a top manager. Mid table is his level.
His time at Everton is just ridiculously overrated. His average finishing position was 8th, and they never came close to winning anything in all that time. He failed repeatedly in big games, with a horrendous record in matches against the big teams. It just wasn't particularly good - I have no idea how he got the United job.
 

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His time at Everton is just ridiculously overrated. His average finishing position was 8th, and they never came close to winning anything in all that time. He failed repeatedly in big games, with a horrendous record in matches against the big teams. It just wasn't particularly good - I have no idea how he got the United job.
And the one time they could've qualified for the CL they bottled it, of course.
 

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His time at Everton is just ridiculously overrated. His average finishing position was 8th, and they never came close to winning anything in all that time. He failed repeatedly in big games, with a horrendous record in matches against the big teams. It just wasn't particularly good - I have no idea how he got the United job.
Probably SAF's influence! Though the great mans tried to distance himself from that catastrophe recently by saying Moyes was 5th choice or something. But yeah, way out of his depth no doubt.

I just think he deserves credit for his Everton work. Always had them top half - even top 6 some seasons, with a small budget and he brought through some youth. He was the definition of stability, but if you aspire to "improve", I agree, he's not your man.
 

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Sooner or later he and Everton's path will cross again.
In the Capital One Cup, when he's managing Stevenage.

Seriously, though, what was he thinking going for the Sociedad job? Such an obvious miscalculation of his ability and adaptability.

Should stick to his bread and butter - middling PL teams.
 

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Initially, the appointment of Moyes in replacing Jagoba Arrasate a year ago prompted enthusiasm in San Sebastian, especially when his first two months in charge yielded a creditable draw in the all-important local derby against Athletic Bilbao, and an improbable home victory over Barcelona.
I'm actually beginning to get annoyed and find it disgraceful that media outlets such as the Guardian and the BBC have the nerve to continue this particular narrative. Either they're so incompetent they can't even be bothered into looking up the recent history of that particular fixture (Barça at Anoeta) or they're deliberately euphemizing because they think that's how to best placate their readership (same with any coverage on Bale, by the way).
 

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His time at Everton is just ridiculously overrated. His average finishing position was 8th, and they never came close to winning anything in all that time. He failed repeatedly in big games, with a horrendous record in matches against the big teams. It just wasn't particularly good - I have no idea how he got the United job.
So he's taken a midtable at best club to finishing from 8th to 6th with one season where he's taken them to 4th, hardly 'overrated'.
 

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I'm actually beginning to get annoyed and find it disgraceful that media outlets such as the Guardian and the BBC have the nerve to continue this particular narrative. Either they're so incompetent they can't even be bothered into looking up the recent history of that particular fixture (Barça at Anoeta) or they're deliberately euphemizing because they think that's how to best placate their readership (same with any coverage on Bale, by the way).
Its the former. BBC Sports journalists are incredibly lazy and don't bother to fact check. They continue to give an incorrect fee for Schweinsteiger's transfer despite it being public knowledge, for example.
 

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Never got this appointment. English speaking players in England couldn't understand what he wanted them to do so how on earth were they supposed to understand him in Spain?
 

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So he's taken a midtable at best club to finishing from 8th to 6th with one season where he's taken them to 4th, hardly 'overrated'.
At everton he's not, but during his time with us people overrated his achievements with everton as some sort of genious

Everton first 2 season was a success. It was par from then on with one season getting 4th

Nothing glamarous to be honest. Put a decent manager 5 years at one team he'll stabilize the shop and keep the position for himself.

Overrated for top job. Jusy about par for midtable teams
 

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It's a bit sad really. Totally out of his depth at United and this job was supposed to rebuild his reputation, and he's flopped yet again. He still won't have a problem getting a job back over here though.
 

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So he's taken a midtable at best club to finishing from 8th to 6th with one season where he's taken them to 4th, hardly 'overrated'.
He did well with Everton, but there was a habit of overstating his achievements. He managed to take a once successful club who'd had a bit of a shite spell, and stabilised them as an upper top half team over a number of years. It was impressive, but it's nothing compared to what, say, Klopp did with Dortmund, or Simeone's done with Atletico Madrid. Moyes' achievements here weren't all that much more impressive than Allardyce's with Bolton, or Mark Hughes' with Blackburn; clubs who struggled once their overachieving managers left. Granted, Moyes get an extra bit of credit for doing it for a longer period of time with Everton, but it's a decent point that while Moyes did well with Everton, he was more consistently decent as opposed to being brilliant.
 

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He did well with Everton, but there was a habit of overstating his achievements. He managed to take a once successful club who'd had a bit of a shite spell, and stabilised them as an upper top half team over a number of years. It was impressive, but it's nothing compared to what, say, Klopp did with Dortmund, or Simeone's done with Atletico Madrid. Moyes' achievements here weren't all that much more impressive than Allardyce's with Bolton, or Mark Hughes' with Blackburn; clubs who struggled once their overachieving managers left. Granted, Moyes get an extra bit of credit for doing it for a longer period of time with Everton, but it's a decent point that while Moyes did well with Everton, he was more consistently decent as opposed to being brilliant.
And, rightfully so, don't think anybody compares him to either Kloppo or Simeone. And for that reason, Simeone is probably wanted by biggest clubs in the world while Moyes' chance was rather a gift of our board of some sort, a one-time chance if you will, and now he and Kloppo are somewhat stuck with midtable clubs.
 

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And, rightfully so, don't think anybody compares him to either Kloppo or Simeone. And for that reason, Simeone is probably wanted by biggest clubs in the world while Moyes' chance was rather a gift of our board of some sort, a one-time chance if you will, and now he and Kloppo are somewhat stuck with midtable clubs.
That's the point though, it was never really perceived in that way at the time. Plenty of people preferred options like Mourinho and Guardiola, but the idea of Moyes being appointed, and eventually getting the job, wasn't all that ridiculous. There were many people who viewed it as an excellent appointment, and thought Moyes' performance with Everton was more than enough to warrant him getting the job, when in hindsight, his achievements there were okay, but nowhere near enough to warrant him getting such a massive job.
 

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To be fair, all the current british managers are bang average, so this comes as no surprise, nobody is going to go to spain or germany and add anything.