I don't disagree, but we're a bit screwed. There's no way we can justify paying him 350k a week or whatever to be our #2, and who is going to buy him? Can't even think of someone that could afford him who actually needs a new GK that badly, on such wages. PSG? I don't know. Either way, it's a conundrum, but I can see Henderson leaving.
Dean Henderson has to be our #1 next season? Poll added
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I don't disagree, but we're a bit screwed. There's no way we can justify paying him 350k a week or whatever to be our #2, and who is going to buy him? Can't even think of someone that could afford him who actually needs a new GK that badly, on such wages. PSG? I don't know. Either way, it's a conundrum, but I can see Henderson leaving.
Maybe in the past when we are still serious title contenders, the pressure is definitely high. But not anymore in recent years I guess, where we could only managed 6th place finish, and spend most of the time hovering around at 5th to 8th place. I don’t think pressure is really an issue anymore.
Well, it definitely is not straightforward. Firstly, I suspect the alleged 350k is a bit strong and in view of us paying a relatively modest amount for him, we’ve probably had our money’s worth. In view of which, if we went easy on the transfer fee we’d be offloading maybe around 12m per annum and still netting a fee. If you look at the merits of two good alternatives that we have, and weigh the net pluses and minuses against Dave’s, I really don’t think there’s much in it. Maybe it hasn’t come to this yet but it is far from knee jerk. The mistakes aside, he is seriously lacking elsewhere and I can’t see that changing. Romero has been very steady and Henderson....... ? We’ll never know unless we give him a go but I don’t think the risks are that great and the financial gains can be pu to good use
It will be ok for him to spend next 1-2 seasons loaning out to other club for first team football. But after that, he will be 24 with 3 years of top flight experience. If he has abit of ambition, he wouldnt want to extend his contract without guarantee 1st team football here. I assume he will want to play for big club with good contract.
Has always been a critique of mine with him. He does not command his box well. Rarely comes out for balls. When he punches a ball it’s such a nervous situation because you don’t know if he’s going to be successful. Ole stated he wants strikers that are willing to break a nose to score goals. How about a keeper willing to break a nose to stop them?
Yet when he didn’t play, against a team that struggles for goals, you shipped 3 goals. Hmm...Exactly. He’s not all that, it’s our dull tactics and us parking the bus that makes his stats look so good
Henderson is getting first team football at Sheffield. When his contact has a year left on it a decision needs to be made. There is no benefit in selling him now.
Not now, but next summer. His contract will be up by 2022
Reality is De Gea has gone from saving us 10-15 points a season to costing us at least 5 points a season since the World Cup and with Henderson having a very good season at a team with far more to do than us I think it makes sense to move De Gea on if we can find a buyer.
I think Real would be interested still if he was available and I think PSG and Juve would both definitely jump at the chance at the right price, I think we’d get £50 million for him which with his wages being off the wage bill too is a massive deal for us.
If we manage to sell Pogba and De Gea as well as Rojo and Pereira then we’re looking at around £200 million brought in through sales which would be neat enough for Sancho, Grealish and a quality defensive midfielder without really going into our set aside transfer budget too much and those three signings transform us from struggling to make top 4 to at least definite top 3 and a great platform to build from.
I think Real would be interested still if he was available and I think PSG and Juve would both definitely jump at the chance at the right price, I think we’d get £50 million for him which with his wages being off the wage bill too is a massive deal for us.
If we manage to sell Pogba and De Gea as well as Rojo and Pereira then we’re looking at around £200 million brought in through sales which would be neat enough for Sancho, Grealish and a quality defensive midfielder without really going into our set aside transfer budget too much and those three signings transform us from struggling to make top 4 to at least definite top 3 and a great platform to build from.
Yeah absolutely.
I got De Gea's contract wrong, I thought it was much longer term but it is until 2023 (with the option to extend for a further year).
So Summer 2021 it needs to be sorted - do we sell De Gea or make Henderson our no.1 and offer him a long-term deal.
We've got next season to assess the situation. A lot can change in 18 months.
Ah, no John Egan that day you see
Ddg best days are not behind him. He is only 29. That's still 7 to 8 seasons in keeper years. But he is clearly not happy and a potential move to Madrid, PSG or even Italy would do him (and us) a world of good. I said it earlier that I don't know if Henderson is the solution but he deserves a shot. And we could surley buy a player or two with the Ddg money
He was joking
You could be right, but Henderson always says he's mad to make it at United. Maybe a more careless keeper in that sense would press to get a starting role or move elsewhere with no regrets, but he seems determined to succeed here and that could mean taking the routes you're being offered.
Accepting that challenge would be the first step and a sign of determination to make it here actually, because if he demands the role for free after one season in the PL then he's starting badly for me. But I think the guy has balls to come here and fight with De Gea for his place, and if he doesn't make it then he can always move elsewhere, but giving it a chance before.
I don't know what the club and the staff are thinking about this, if they prefer him to play another full season at Sheff Utd or something, but if they want Henderson back next season I think the man will be here.
I really agree. Henderson has the advantage of being the jar that everyone puts their new hope in, without having seen him that much. He has mistakes in him too, and is not as good a shot-stopper.
An example was at last summer's U21 tournament. Before the tournament, he claimed he was ready to take over from De Gea. The next game for England he dropped miserably.
One have to ask if Henderson's top-level will ever reach De Gea's top level. Who's to say if Henderson is even better than Romero? (Best backup goalie in the PL)
Extend + Loan for a year more, and let's see if he reaches the very high level that De Gea can perform at.
I think the most suitable course of action is to let him and DDG legitimately fight for the spot next year, DDG needs the kick up the backside and Henderson deserves a real shot.
Henderson's communication is top-notch. He's already a leader.
His passing is better than de Geas.
Yup.
This is our only option. It's a great place to be in too.
So, we can't just ship De Gea out and let Hendo have a shot because there's a big chance he might not be able to handle the pressure despite having all the talent in the world. This is a very real situation at this club, it's even harder when you're a GK because the pressure is magnified. One mistake and you've cost your team the game potentially. (e.g Foster).
So what we absolutely must do next season is bring him back and let him play in all of the cup games and Europa (or some CL games if we make it). Then we start De Gea for the prem games and if Hendo looks better in training then he gets eased in against some of the minor opposition at home games only, to begin with. If he handles the pressure and continues to look better than De Gea in training then he stays in goal. Likewise, if De Gea makes a mistake like today then he comes in.
I never thought this was going to work, but with De Gea's form I think this would be for the best. I'm sure both would accept that situation right now.
Also, as good as DDG has been - it is far from kneejerk to complain about the GK that has cost his team the most goals directly, since the beginning of last season. That is not an acceptable statistic for a GK. DDGs superhuman performances are dwindling now, he's been incredible in previous seasons but nowadays he's levelling out to just being 'good' while costing us games too often.
United should try to find a sweeper keeper.
Rinse and repeat, I called this exact scenario back in December, and many more times before that (because it's so grimley predictable).
I think it's an absolute no brainer that we should at least experiment with another first choice keeper but it's not going to happen so long as (a) so many of our fans remain in complete denial about this blindingly obvious issue and (b) more importantly, our manager is constantly failing to see what's right in front of him.
For instance, how can Ole come out and say after the game yesterday that he can only remember De Gea making two mistakes all season, is he even analysing our games then?
I can understand the Fans getting their analysis badly wrong as we all have other things we have to do, but Ole's full time job is to analyse our games and if he genuinely thinks De Gea has only made two mistakes all season then he should be fired for negligence because, as I said, he's clearly not re-watching/analysing our games.
Can't see it happening just yet, DDG has just signed new money bags deal, he's not going to be number 2, Henderson is probably the right Keeper to take over, can see him staying on loan next season then he be number 1 at OT. Surely DDG cannot make any more major cock ups.
Rooney declined early, in his late twenties, and people wondered if it was due to playing at a high level at a younger age. De Gea also played at a high level rather young, so there are many similarities (even both getting silly contracts while showing signs of decline).
This dip in his form has continued way longer than it should, so it's understandable to worry whether it's a 'blip' or a decline.
Our manager is talking crap to the media all the time. Sometimes on purpose and sometimes he is clueless.
The issue is that he is so far up De Gea's ass (sorry for the expression, but it fits) that i fear he doesn't want to give others a chance there. I really hope we see Dean given a proper chance, not only in pre season and cup games. I just don't think Ole has it in him to make it happen. De Gea is the undisputed number one, no matter what happens. He is biased by his good years that he will always believe he will come back to his world class reflexes without mistakes again. Him not playing Romero at the end of last season while De Gea was giving away goals to everyone was everything you need to know
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Why not just let them fight for the jersey. Henderson should be our No2 now, which should mean all domestic cup comps and then pushing DDG for the starting spot. If DDG needs to be dropped, which I think he doesn't really fear currently, Henderson comes in as a PL proven GK. We do tend to overrate our young players probably more at United than anywhere but in this case, Henderson is proven now and has a legitimate argument given DDG's form to be arguing his case to start for us next season. Competition for places is what we need - you can see it's effect on Shaw - when a young guy comes in it lights a fire under the senior player who has become too comfortable in their position, they either get displaced or push on.
Some out of this world saves in the vid. But the one against Cantwell he had no right to save. Absolutely unreal save that.
If our new media guy is worth his salt he’d have some collaboration between Sheffield United. Even some casually entertaining stuff like “Can we keep him?” that’s promoted by both clubs.
Whether he stays or goes, Some level of cross pollination would add value.
A link to a Blades forum discussing Dean Henderson below.
One fan says Hendo saves at least one goal a game. Another credits Hendo with at least a extra 12 points a season. Another one says Solskjaer must be on drugs if he doesn't make Henderson #1 next season. One of their fans also wants Henderson to make a few mistakes so their chances of keeping him increase.
https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/dean-henderson.77753/
One fan says Hendo saves at least one goal a game. Another credits Hendo with at least a extra 12 points a season. Another one says Solskjaer must be on drugs if he doesn't make Henderson #1 next season. One of their fans also wants Henderson to make a few mistakes so their chances of keeping him increase.
https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/dean-henderson.77753/
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For where we currently are we don’t need DeGea. However we cannot shift him now without taking a big loss in transfer fee.
A lot of us said it wasn’t smart business to give him this contract at the time.
A lot of us said it wasn’t smart business to give him this contract at the time.
So many of our fans are financial analysts.. Get my taxes done, will ya?
DdG is going nowhere. Step 1: kick up the a**e. Step 2: drop for Romero. That's 2020-21 sorted.
DdG is going nowhere. Step 1: kick up the a**e. Step 2: drop for Romero. That's 2020-21 sorted.
Just can't see him taking over from De Gea this summer, 2021 very big possibility though.
Ive seen the DDG mistake clip like 40 times now. I can not comprehend what happened. Its like no one was home for a second.
Im beginning to wonder if hes dealing with personal issues that we dont know about.
It's crazy. I don't know if it's the camera angle but their attacker covered space so well, however, DDG angles that and it's not a goal. I do think he genuinely switched off for a second as he took way too much time on the ball.
Didn't his girlfriend move away recently. I'm struggling to save its his reflexes dying our, as some have said, because he has even shown he has very good reflexes. It's mind boggling.
I thought she came back?