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Can we please sign this guy? Oh wait.
He wasn't "injured" because he was up a few seconds later arguing with the referee and he finished the game. He's just a whimp.He was injured?! Christ alive.
He wasn't injured, he was fine. He just expected the ref to stop play and he didn't. It was pathetic.He was injured?! Christ alive.
It was the only time I've seen a ref not stop play when a gk is down. It never happened before, and hasn't happened since.He wasn't injured, he was fine. He just expected the ref to stop play and he didn't. It was pathetic.
It looks like Leicester are going to stick with Danny Ward for the time being !!! Apparently we have no money to spend !!Why do these discussions always turn into De Gea vs Henderson whenever anybody says anything about either? Neither are good enough.
Pick basically any keeper from any midtable team and they'd be an upgrade on both. Sanchez, Raya, Martinez, Sa, Pope. All big upgrades. Pretty much anybody besides Danny Ward because Leicester haven't got in a replacement yet - and when they do I'd be shocked if whoever the feck that is isn't better than Henderson and De Gea as well.
Why was it ridiculous not to whistle? He wasn't injured. You play to the whistle. It hasn't happened before or since because other goalkeepers don't play dead while the ball is in play.It was the only time I've seen a ref not stop play when a gk is down. It never happened before, and hasn't happened since.
There's a lot to criticise De Gea about, and this scene shows his soft nature, but it was absolutely ridiculous not to whistle that dead
I think it's made worse that no united player stopped to check on him. If everyone stopped playing then the ref would be forced to stop play.It was the only time I've seen a ref not stop play when a gk is down. It never happened before, and hasn't happened since.
There's a lot to criticise De Gea about, and this scene shows his soft nature, but it was absolutely ridiculous not to whistle that dead
The ref had no way of knowing if this was the case or notWhy was it ridiculous not to whistle? He wasn't injured. You play to the whistle. It hasn't happened before or since because other goalkeepers don't play dead while the ball is in play.
Yeah that's a good point, we didn't really 'sell' it that well.I think it's made worse that no united player stopped to check on him. If everyone stopped playing then the ref would be forced to stop play.
If the ref thought that he was making a meal of it, and we now have VAR to check in case something actually did happen, why should be stop the game? He did absolutely the right thing.The ref had no way of knowing if this was the case or not
Was he feck. You're not telling me he was so badly hurt he couldn't get to his feet?He was injured?! Christ alive.
Ahhh the old world class forward goes clean through from the halfway line and puts it in the top corner making the keeper look silly routine.The crap Twitter accounts gassing up a man who stood eight yards off centre when one v one against Salah, because he saved a pen.
He's Pickford MK2. An over confident, t rex armed keeper.
Top corner?! It went in the middle of the goal, on the floorAhhh the old world class forward goes clean through from the halfway line and puts it in the top corner making the keeper look silly routine.
Yep mo salah running clean through from the halfway line and scoring past him is definitely a barometer with what to measure him by.
Bottom corner, certainly wasn't middle of the goal, and having probably the worlds best forward run clean through on goal from the halfway line with no defender in sight and slot it past you is really is a no hope situation for any goalkeeper.Top corner?! It went in the middle of the goal, on the floor
Please rewatch it. Everyone forgetting when punched one straight at him, into the net ?Bottom corner, certainly wasn't middle of the goal, and having probably the worlds best forward run clean through on goal from the halfway line with no defender in sight and slot it past you is really is a no hope situation for any goalkeeper.
Your only hope is the forward has a bad touch or fecks up the shot, but it was a very inform Mo Salah so there want much chance of that.
Look, I'm not saying he's good enough, but how long will we hold that error against him?The crap Twitter accounts gassing up a man who stood eight yards off centre when one v one against Salah, because he saved a pen.
Mate, I wouldn't even bother, some are trying to move on from de Gea's disaster class from yesterday.Look, I'm not saying he's good enough, but how long will we hold that error against him?
This is what I’ve been saying for at least 2 years now, I’d rather have a good all round modern keeper than a world class shot stopper who offers nothing else at all and even that has declined a lot every year for at least 4 years.Yeah I never understood that logic. It seems that some have decided that since Dean Henderson probably isn't "world-class" (or perfect), we might as well keep selecting DDG, who has been terrible for 4/5 seasons now
Surely in that scenario, even if you dont rate either that highly, you go with the lesser of the two evils?
Plus, as you say, DDG arguably isnt even a good shot-stopper now AND its debatable as to whether you even WANT a shot-stopper type. I read some interesting analysis on "throwback" goalkeepers like Loris and De Gea who rarely leave their line. In doing so, they buy themselves an extra split second to react to incoming shots, so thy might make one save in five other GKs wouldn't make. However, overall its a massively minus EV tactic because when it comes to goalkeeping, 'prevention" (i.e. sweeping/claiming crosses/smothering the ball/closing the angle) is far better than 'cure' (i.e. having to make a late reflex-save). An aggressive GK like Ederson or Allisson would likely have prevented three out of those five shots from ever being taken, or forced them to be taken earlier/from a more difficult angleThis is what I’ve been saying for at least 2 years now, I’d rather have a good all round modern keeper than a world class shot stopper who offers nothing else at all and even that has declined a lot every year for at least 4 years.
I want to see a keeper that talks to his defence and helps organise it, who’ll act as a sweeper keeper so the defence can play a high line, who is good with his feet rather than acting like the ball carries the plague when it’s near them, that will come for the ball at corners and free kicks whilst also doing the basics well which Henderson does for all and De Gea doesn’t for any.
I get Ederson but dont see many of these sweeper keepers in the Prem? Courtois isnt a sweeper keeper and looks more solid than any of them. Henderson was bang average when he played for us, had little presence and made mistakes. We dont play out from the back as our defenders arent great and our midfielders cant take the ball from the keeper like some sides.This is what I’ve been saying for at least 2 years now, I’d rather have a good all round modern keeper than a world class shot stopper who offers nothing else at all and even that has declined a lot every year for at least 4 years.
I want to see a keeper that talks to his defence and helps organise it, who’ll act as a sweeper keeper so the defence can play a high line, who is good with his feet rather than acting like the ball carries the plague when it’s near them, that will come for the ball at corners and free kicks whilst also doing the basics well which Henderson does for all and De Gea doesn’t for any.
I haven't read absolutely every post so I apologise if this has already been said: Nottingham Forest are pretty unlikely to have a recall clause in a season-long loan deal. Furthermore, because of the words spoken shortly after he arrived in Nottingham, it looked to me like Henderson himself expected this to be very much a loan leading to an eventual sale, not a return to United.There may be a Jan window recall clause in the loan deal - if so that’s the only way he’s going back to you - in this case though I don’t think there is.
Why not these clowns need exposingShould never have opened his mouth but I'm happy he's doing well and long may it continue. We will at least get a good fee for him.
The thing is ETH does want us to play out from the back though which is what’s led to problems and it’s easy for us to keep saying it’s the defence but who’s the common denominator in everything ? That would be De Gea, yes our defence isn’t great but how much more nervy do you think they are knowing De Gea is behind them ?I get Ederson but dont see many of these sweeper keepers in the Prem? Courtois isnt a sweeper keeper and looks more solid than any of them. Henderson was bang average when he played for us, had little presence and made mistakes. We dont play out from the back as our defenders arent great and our midfielders cant take the ball from the keeper like some sides.
I'm not getting further into the Henderson comment because it's been proven over and over again to be utter nonsense despite him being relatively average but I'll pick you up on Courtois.I get Ederson but dont see many of these sweeper keepers in the Prem? Courtois isnt a sweeper keeper and looks more solid than any of them. Henderson was bang average when he played for us, had little presence and made mistakes. We dont play out from the back as our defenders arent great and our midfielders cant take the ball from the keeper like some sides.
Mendy cost £25m I think.De Gea's not the answer but Henderson has shown emphatically he isn't either. There's absolutely no reason we couldn't pick up a better alternative for a mid-range, Chelsea got Mendy for something like 6 million and he's miles better than either De Gea or Henderson.
It's multiple games for Sheffield United and us where he outperformed DDG easily.Henderson is not the answer and never will be. It's one game. For Forest.
I agree that he doesn't seem the most capable on the ball. But he isn't scared of it the way Dave is which makes a fairly big difference.If we're desperate for a silky, smooth passing keeper neither De Gea nor Henderson are it.
Praise for Dean's performance yesterday is in order. Poor pk shot by Rice or not, Henderson saved the pk. And made some other fine saves.
At no point did he out perform DDG at SHU.It's multiple games for Sheffield United and us where he outperformed DDG easily.
It wouldn't have cost us a penny for a fairly big upgrade on Dave and we threw it away to protect the "investment."
Interesting.At no point did he out perform DDG at SHU.
2019/20 | David De Gea | Dean Henderson |
Games played | 38 | 36 |
Goals against | 36 | 33 |
Post shot expected goals | 37.1 | 38.2 |
Crosses dealt with % | 5.3 | 7.9 |
Sweeps per 90 | 0.29 | 0.47 |
Henderson has no place at United after his leaks last season, and his attack on the club this season. It doesn’t mean I think DDG is the answer, it just means neither of them are.Bring him back as DDG is passing through the same horrible bad phase he had before.