Do you agree with the protest today?

Do you agree with the protest today?

  • Yes

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  • No

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amolbhatia50k

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Absolutely. Proud of the fans who made the voices of all (nearly) Manchester United fans heard. Well fecking done.
 

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Agree with protesting owners for lack of investment in the stadium, chaotic transfer policy , having no footballing direction and the ESL debacle.

Yet the whole ‘anyone who doesn’t suspend disbelief about how realistic and achievable the aims of the protests are not real fans’ bubbles pretty close to the surface as it did in 2006 and 2010 and will be one of the reason why it fails

This will be overtaken by the Red Issue mob, their extremists will alienate fans, it’ll lose momentum, the Glazers will still be here and then they’ll spend the next years pretending that they’ve been supporting FC United exclusively all these years because of ‘plastics’.

Opportunity to make protests focused and achievable will be squandered for the third time
 

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Trying to stop the players getting to the ground is sabotaging your own team and the players have nothing to do with the owners so why were they targets?
If the aim is to hurt the Glazers financially protest at the locations of the big sponsors. That might have the potential to make the Glazers sit up and take notice.
Fair point. The protest should have been free of any violence, allowing the players and management to do their job and uphold the image of the club. The club, over the years, have always done everything with real class. From commemorating landmark Munich anniversaries to guards of honour but some of yesterday’s actions were just appalling. Forget the football rivalry, throwing a flare on a humane level is totally idiotic as is glassing a policeman. What were the police meant to do ? Stand aside and let it happen ? You can see that a lot of those so-called supporters on the pitch we’re enjoying it, revelling in the freedom and opportunity they had to create violence.
 

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Unfortunately, two words will always be associated with what had happened, "violent" and "storming".
 

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100% support the protests.

I think this is bigger than just about Man United.
We cannot let rich billionaires own everything in our lives and treat us as id**ts.

We as people have shown that UNITED we have the power to at least create some headache for the Glazers.
Lets not get divided over whether points will be deducted or whether we could have won the game. Lets unite behind the protests and force the solution we want.

Because a lot of these people have their heads in the cloud mate. They have zero understanding of business and finance and still think that protests like these have any impact on multi billion dollar businesses. The romanticism is commendable though. Just not in sync with the times unfortunately. Let's hope these "supporters" now table a proper offer to the Glazers to buy out the club. Or perhaps the crowdfunding thing. I will contribute to the extent I can, but will that be enough?
Actually if we continue with the protests, the commercial income and brand value of Man United will dip, really hurting the Glazers. Which can lead to two possible outcomes:
1) Their cash cow is becoming less profitable and they are forced to sell for well under 4bn (which can attract more potential buyers)
2) They are forced to account for fan-happiness as a value-driver and deliver on this aspect.
 

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Fair point. The protest should have been free of any violence, allowing the players and management to do their job and uphold the image of the club. The club, over the years, have always done everything with real class. From commemorating landmark Munich anniversaries to guards of honour but some of yesterday’s actions were just appalling. Forget the football rivalry, throwing a flare on a humane level is totally idiotic as is glassing a policeman. What were the police meant to do ? Stand aside and let it happen ? You can see that a lot of those so-called supporters on the pitch we’re enjoying it, revelling in the freedom and opportunity they had to create violence.
Protests are meant to cause inconvenience and disruption and I think the game postponement is the best case scenario possible, it's like a bonus that nobody expected. If it was a protest like we had last week, it would have been overshadowed by the game itself and it wouldn't even made the headlines. Now the entire world knows about it, it caused a big disruption and people saying Glazers don't care are completely wrong. They will care seeing their name tarnished globally in the media. Probably not to the point that they would sell but if we continue then who knows. You can bet Ed had to take some uncomfortable calls with the sponsors too. Nobody wants to be associated with the negativity.

The image being painted by some of you and the media is completely wrong. You make it sound like they went there with the sole purpose of smashing everything in their way and destroying the stadium which is far from truth. It just so happened that they gained the access to the stadium (which shouldn't have happened, everybody knew for like 2 weeks that there will be a big protest, plenty of time to prepare and have enough police officers to make sure they can't access the stadium) and yeah, some people got over excited but quite literally no damage was done to the stadium and everyone left after a few mins. There is simply no way that in a group of thousands of people there would be no incidents. It's bound to happen, some idiots will go overboard but it could have been so much worse, trying to label it as a violent protest is simply wrong. Hope it continues every home game we have left this season.
 

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100% behind the protest and very pleased that the game got postponed. I hope protesters are able to postpone all future games. We don't play until the club is sold.

Not keen on the few who got violent and/or started vandalising, though. Could have achieved the same without anyone getting hurt and expensive stuff getting broken.
 

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100% behind the protest and those who protested properly. No need for any violence though, strongly against that. This is something that should of been done a long, long time ago and has been brewing no doubt. Was inevitable. Would be there if I could, but in Australia, impossible. Would honestly have flown over for it. Enough is enough. #GlazersOut.
 

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Because a lot of these people have their heads in the cloud mate. They have zero understanding of business and finance and still think that protests like these have any impact on multi billion dollar businesses. The romanticism is commendable though. Just not in sync with the times unfortunately. Let's hope these "supporters" now table a proper offer to the Glazers to buy out the club. Or perhaps the crowdfunding thing. I will contribute to the extent I can, but will that be enough?
Leave it to someone with a Banker in the username to condescend people and tell them they know nothing about business and it's him/her who has all the knowledge while simultaneously saying 'show me the money'.

This all-together pathetic attitude is why big business and their politician buddies think they can get away with murder.

Change might not come easy or at all but playing ostrich from your high horse is such a pathetic attitude, I wonder why people bother.
 

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Leave it to someone with a Banker in the username to condescend people and tell them they know nothing about business and it's him/her who has all the knowledge while simultaneously saying 'show me the money'.

This all-together pathetic attitude is why big business and their politician buddies think they can get away with murder.

Change might not come easy or at all but playing ostrich from your high horse is such a pathetic attitude, I wonder why people bother.
Some of the reactions are hilarious tbh. "These protest won't achieve anything" "So you think this makes Glazers to sell the club" and all that.

So what should the ManUtd local fans do? Sit idle and hope something happens magically?

These are the fans who represent the club, the people for whom ManUtd is part of the family and part of their culture, attending every game home and away for years.

Easy to come up with nonsense like 'So what, these protests won't achieve anything", at least they care enough to move their arse from their comfortable couch to protest, to try and do something. It might lead to something when it snowballs into bigger protest or it might fade away but what's wrong in trying?

Even more hilarious and pathetic is people moaning about their sundays "Oh no, it ruined my sunday. I planned my day around this game".
 

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100% behind the protest and those who protested properly. No need for any violence though, strongly against that. This is something that should of been done a long, long time ago and has been brewing no doubt. Was inevitable. Would be there if I could, but in Australia, impossible. Would honestly have flown over for it. Enough is enough. #GlazersOut.
Exactly this @amolbhatia50k
 

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Agree with protesting owners for lack of investment in the stadium, chaotic transfer policy , having no footballing direction and the ESL debacle.

Yet the whole ‘anyone who doesn’t suspend disbelief about how realistic and achievable the aims of the protests are not real fans’ bubbles pretty close to the surface as it did in 2006 and 2010 and will be one of the reason why it fails

This will be overtaken by the Red Issue mob, their extremists will alienate fans, it’ll lose momentum, the Glazers will still be here and then they’ll spend the next years pretending that they’ve been supporting FC United exclusively all these years because of ‘plastics’.

Opportunity to make protests focused and achievable will be squandered for the third time
Even as someone who supports the protests, I will say that by far the most obnoxious posts on here yesterday came from posters supporting the protests who seemed to think that holding that opinion meant they could put their innate Top Red-ism into overdrive and start being pricks to people they disagreed with.
 

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:lol: So you've never actually supported any protest then. You just have an idealistic view of the kind of protest you'd hypothetically put your weight behind. Alright then.
 

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100% support the protests.

I think this is bigger than just about Man United.
We cannot let rich billionaires own everything in our lives and treat us as id**ts.

We as people have shown that UNITED we have the power to at least create some headache for the Glazers.
Lets not get divided over whether points will be deducted or whether we could have won the game. Lets unite behind the protests and force the solution we want.


Actually if we continue with the protests, the commercial income and brand value of Man United will dip, really hurting the Glazers. Which can lead to two possible outcomes:
1) Their cash cow is becoming less profitable and they are forced to sell for well under 4bn (which can attract more potential buyers)
2) They are forced to account for fan-happiness as a value-driver and deliver on this aspect.
How have you been treated as an idiot by rich billionaires?
 

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Some of the reactions are hilarious tbh. "These protest won't achieve anything" "So you think this makes Glazers to sell the club" and all that.

So what should the ManUtd local fans do? Sit idle and hope something happens magically?

These are the fans who represent the club,
the people for whom ManUtd is part of the family and part of their culture, attending every game home and away for years.

Easy to come up with nonsense like 'So what, these protests won't achieve anything", at least they care enough to move their arse from their comfortable couch to protest, to try and do something. It might lead to something when it snowballs into bigger protest or it might fade away but what's wrong in trying?

Even more hilarious and pathetic is people moaning about their sundays "Oh no, it ruined my sunday. I planned my day around this game".
I don't remember anybody asking to represent me. And I doubt the majority of the club's fans would like to be associated with what happened yesterday.
 

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Leave it to someone with a Banker in the username to condescend people and tell them they know nothing about business and it's him/her who has all the knowledge while simultaneously saying 'show me the money'.

This all-together pathetic attitude is why big business and their politician buddies think they can get away with murder.

Change might not come easy or at all but playing ostrich from your high horse is such a pathetic attitude, I wonder why people bother.
What makes you say that? Anything more specific, not just platitudes on an Internet forum?
 

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I don't remember anybody asking to represent me. And I doubt the majority of the club's fans would like to be associated with what happened yesterday.
Well majority of the people voting in this thread do, so tough luck on that one.
 

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I don't remember anybody asking to represent me. And I doubt the majority of the club's fans would like to be associated with what happened yesterday.
Well few idiots out of 1000s of protestors did stupid thing. That's common in any protests.

If you are local ManUtd fan or season ticket holder then you can say they don't represent you. IF not, you can always say they don't represent you.
 

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People often forget that peaceful protests are never taken as serious as actions like this. BTW, how did they get into the stadium so easily?
 

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I applaud the protests yesterday (violence aside of course) but we need to make this about more than united imo. It needs fan groups of every club to coordinate to stop an entire round of fixtures across the country.
That would have an affect.

We also need coordinated marchs made on Parliament Square to ensure the government take an interest beyond grabbing the free and easy headline quotes they're happily gobbling up without taking the issue any further

United are of course one of the worse victims of their ownership however it will only be with government legislation that we can truly protect the futures of ALL clubs in this country. As it stands, us forcing the glazers out will likely only result in us getting another set of equally unscrupulous owners
 

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Agree with protesting owners for lack of investment in the stadium,
Imagine the club having 100% of money in the budget to spend each year. The management need to allocate these 100% to different areas. Some of these areas increase competitiveness on the field, others do not. The stadium is one of the areas that do not.
chaotic transfer policy ,
That's an assumption, mostly fueled by what the media say. I would say that our transfer policy has been very manager-driven. Then you could argue in the appointments of managers. But again, that is subjective and you have the benefit of hindsight now. Moyes was chosen by Sir Alex. LvG looked like a great appointment at the time and Mourinho was a guaranteed success and trophy winner.
having no footballing direction
Another assumption. Can you elaborate what do you expect to see that would indicate clear "footballing direction"? Maybe even provide a few examples of well run clubs that do have such "direction"?
and the ESL debacle.
A Super League is something a lot of fans on here (and elsewhere) have been dreaming of for decades. Some may disagree with the proposed format and some of the details but overall I think people's anger blinds them to see something that most fans actually wanted for ages. And most of the arguments against it are incredibly weak.
Yet the whole ‘anyone who doesn’t suspend disbelief about how realistic and achievable the aims of the protests are not real fans’ bubbles pretty close to the surface as it did in 2006 and 2010 and will be one of the reason why it fails

This will be overtaken by the Red Issue mob, their extremists will alienate fans, it’ll lose momentum, the Glazers will still be here and then they’ll spend the next years pretending that they’ve been supporting FC United exclusively all these years because of ‘plastics’.

Opportunity to make protests focused and achievable will be squandered for the third time
The other big issue is about representation. People like Neville and Carragher now try to paint the protesters as accurate representation of the Manchester United fans worldwide. That's simply not true. I think the vast majority of the millioins of United fans would not support what happened yesterday. A big share of them would not even support any protests. Especially when there is no clear desired outcome. Because "force the Glazers to sell" is not one.
 

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I see some people making fun of the protest since it will not change anything. Attitudes like that makes me mad tbh. Doing nothing change nothing. Doing something will make a difference. History has thought most of us that if we want a change, we can’t sit on our arse doing jack shit. I am proud of our fans minus some idiots.
 

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Well few idiots out of 1000s of protestors did stupid thing. That's common in any protests.

If you are local ManUtd fan or season ticket holder then you can say they don't represent you. IF not, you can always say they don't represent you.
So, the people who the cameras captured yesterday are all season ticket holders and local fans? Is that right? And because I live elsewhere in the UK and am not a season ticket holder, am not a Manchester United fan? Or was there a point yesterday where they made the distinction between LOCAL SEASON TICKET HOLDERS and OTHER NON-LOCAL, NON-SEASON TICKET HOLDING FANS?
 

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So, the people who the cameras captured yesterday are all season ticket holders and local fans? Is that right? And because I live elsewhere in the UK and am not a season ticket holder, am not a Manchester United fan? Or was there a point yesterday where they made the distinction between LOCAL SEASON TICKET HOLDERS and OTHER NON-LOCAL, NON-SEASON TICKET HOLDING FANS?
No matter how much anyone denies or tries with their mental gymnastics, local ManUtd fans care about the club more than non local ManUtd fans and they are the one who represents the club. Club is/was/will be part of their culture for years.

Were all the protestors local? I dont know and couldn't care less.
 

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People often forget that peaceful protests are never taken as serious as actions like this. BTW, how did they get into the stadium so easily?
The guy that fecked the camera only the field also smashed a door in to get into the ground.
 

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No matter how much anyone denies or tries with their mental gymnastics, local ManUtd fans care about the club more than non local ManUtd fans and they are the one who represents the club. Club is/was/will be part of their culture for years.

Were all the protestors local? I dont know and couldn't care less.
You can get this embroidered on your pillow, still wouldn't make it true. And furthermore, why should local fans be more important and/or make decisions instead of ALL fans?
 

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Wow Jamie carragher got it spot on. Said everything I was thinking while Dave and souness shilled on and on. Sky are in a hard place on this but came off looking terrible today
I agree, and this was v interesting to me.. the fact that SKY (not the pundits) were also targetted by the fans, was notable. The unbelievable levels of profitability, and the strength of brand association that is driven by football, and maximised by certain sectors (media, food, gambling...) plays a part in all of this. Because broadcasting forms an essential component of the business model that these owners base their business planning and financial projections upon. I think SKY need to pick up on this (and BT etc..) because they will be wary of not being seen to be part of the problem, when, in fact, in my personal opinion, they are.
 

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You can get this embroidered on your pillow, still wouldn't make it true. And furthermore, why should local fans be more important and/or make decisions instead of ALL fans?
Well you can be in your deluded world that you care about the club more than the local ones, it won't make it true.

Who made the decision? I must have missed the news. Which decision was made?

Also local fans should be more important than the non local fans for any club decision. It's their club and we (foreign clubs) started to follow them for numerous reasons.
 

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I’m just waiting for one of the media to say we are selfish for doing a protest when its social media blackout weekend :D
 

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It's better than your post that's based on feck all
My post is based on observation. I am yet to see a worldwide survey of Manchester United fans to ask them of their opinion. An online forum with 951 (current results) users voting Yes is absolutely nothing for a club of Manchester United's size and following.