Do you think the board would approve funds for 2 top attackers & a full back?

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Obviously, we have the means to make deals for two top attackers and a top full back but in 2018 that is going to be some serious coin to achieve.

Two top attackers - of the calibre we are desperate for - could easily cost £200m if they are of the right age and profile. Easy.

A top LB at market rates is £50m. Maybe we can get a prospect for less?

Can we raise much from player sales?

We cannot expect a for-profit company lie United to keep investing most of our earnings on players forever.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Obviously, we have the means to make deals for two top attackers and a top full back but in 2018 that is going to be some serious coin to achieve.

Two top attackers - of the calibre we are desperate for - could easily cost £200m if they are of the right age and profile. Easy.

A top LB at market rates is £50m. Maybe we can get a prospect for less?

Can we raise much from player sales?

We cannot expect a for-profit company lie United to keep investing most of our earnings on players forever.
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Definitely way to try, especially with ambitious plans in mind. Players returning from loan could also add to reinforcing the squad after possible sales.

Still not sure if club can make two huge purchases in one window, but from time time you can find genuine quality for less.
 
Dont think we can even accomodate two top attackers while we have so many players. I can only see us signing two if we sell mkhi and zlatan leaves a end of season. I think we will get one attacker one mid and two fullbacks as Valencia is not getting younger and so is young. We essentially have too many average fullbacks and none class ones.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Obviously, we have the means to make deals for two top attackers and a top full back but in 2018 that is going to be some serious coin to achieve.

Two top attackers - of the calibre we are desperate for - could easily cost £200m if they are of the right age and profile. Easy.

A top LB at market rates is £50m. Maybe we can get a prospect for less?

Can we raise much from player sales?

We cannot expect a for-profit company lie United to keep investing most of our earnings on players forever.
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You need to open your mind to the world of possibilities that are available. Rather than spend 150m on Dybala and 90m on Griezmann/Bale and 50m on Rose there are tons of good players that are available for a lot less. How about instead of spending 290m on those three players we upgrade our entire squad with the same money, for example, we could get:

Ghoulam on a free
Manolas on a free
Tah 22m release clause
Fabinho 50m
Jorginho 40m
Leon Bailey 40m
Fekir 50m

So for 202m we could have upgraded both fullbacks and CB's and midfield and number 10 and right wing. The 202m potential spend is easily within our budget as we normally spend 150m per season on transfers with zero player sales. If we sold some of the deadwood like Smalling, Blind, Lingard, Mata, Miki and Darmain we could easily raise enough to buy a world class CB like Laporte or a potential world class midfielder in Savic or another wide player like Thomas Lemar. If we avoid the siren song of the marquee player we can upgrade our entire squad for less than it would cost to buy just two marquee players and we would slash our wage bill at the same time. Look at how Spurs and Man City handle their transfer business they aren't buying 100 million pound players instead they are buying good quality younger non marquee players at reasonable prices.
 
If recent history is anything to go by, I think we’ll get around £130-150m to spend net of player sales each year. How many players that gets us is anyone’s guess right now.
 
Plenty of bargains to be had. Just because City spent 50m each on fullbacks doesn't mean it's their going price. That's just a huge price for players that their teams didn't want to let them leave and can afford to hold on to them unless stupid money is offered. For left back, a signing who would almost definitely be made if Fergie was still manager would be Tierney. It's a no brainer. Promising, pretty good right now, from Scotland, young, and wouldn't be at a huge cost.

Plenty of other decent players have contracts expiring too. Ghoulam as the guy above put, or in midfield I know Goretzka has his contract expiring, Seri has his contract expiring in 1.5 years and wouldn't command a huge price, etc.. Big name players, ok, obviously will demand a huge price. Go for more promising players before they've exploded (like Malcom for the right wing potentially, or even Gelson Martins probably wouldn't cost loads), develop them here and turn them into top players and we won't end up spending 50m for an average signing. That's just craziness.
 
Varun said:
Why do we even need 2 top attackers?
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RW & No.10. We don't have a capable RW. If you notice, we do most of our attacking on the left flank which makes our attack predictable and narrow. As for a No. 10, the reason Lukaku hasn't been able to score lately is because we need the link between Midfield and Attack which is usually the No. 10 and Mhiki and Mata are just not good enough to perform in that role consistently.
 
Slapping £40M and £50M price tags on players who aren't in the last year of their contracts, just because you want them isn't realistic, last summer set the new tone, not only the Neymar deal but the fact Barca paid £130M for a kid with one and half seasons under his belt who Dortmund had paid like £12M for just a year earlier, no way the clubs are going to give up their best assets to us for the fees some seem to think, they'll be looking to bleed us dry.
 
DelPotro said:
Why not? A RW and a no.10 to replace Mata and Mkhi.
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beingshe7don said:
RW & No.10. We don't have a capable RW. If you notice, we do most of our attacking on the left flank which makes our attack predictable and narrow. As for a No. 10, the reason Lukaku hasn't been able to score lately is because we need the link between Midfield and Attack which is usually the No. 10 and Mhiki and Mata are just not good enough to perform in that role consistently.
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If we sell both, sure. Doubt that's going to happen though in which case we need one. Moreover, I'd rather we made both martial and rashford work together instead of perennially competing for 1 spot.
 
Devil may care said:
Slapping £40M and £50M price tags on players who aren't in the last year of their contracts, just because you want them isn't realistic, last summer set the new tone, not only the Neymar deal but the fact Barca paid £130M for a kid with one and half seasons under his belt who Dortmund had paid like £12M for just a year earlier, no way the clubs are going to give up their best assets to us for the fees some seem to think, they'll be looking to bleed us dry.
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You are just used to us overpaying for our transfers. Most other teams handle their transfers business much better than us for example when we missed out on Morata after bidding 75m people speculated that Chelsea would be paying over 90m whereas they paid 57m. There are tons of proof that we are useless when it comes to transfers, for example, we brought Di Maria for 70m when Arsenal paid 35m for Alexis Sanchez during the same window. Spurs got Victor Waynama for 11m and Serge Aurier for 23m which are great deals that we wouldn't have been savvy enough to pull off. Look at what we tried to bid for Vidal and Fabregas and compare that with their eventual sale prices. Even moneybags City and Chelsea get players in at better prices than we have and get more for their discards. We would get better value for money if we cast out nets wider for players for example why stop at Persic for a winger when there are tons available, why only look at Rose as our potential left-back? If we had more options then we wouldn't be held hostage to the selling clubs. If rich teams like Man City, Real Madrid, Bayern and Chelsea can get good players at good prices there are no excuses for us paying over the market price for every single transfer.

The prices I priced the above transfers at are probably going to be in line with what other clubs will buy those players for. The prices are similar to what the papers are speculating the cost for those potential transfers. We could pay similar prices if we improved our scouting and negotiating teams.

Another issue that annoys me is why we overpay almost every single player at United. Just look at the money Lingard, Lindelof, Young, Shaw etc are on and compare to similar players in other teams even rich clubs like Man City and Chelsea and Real Madrid pay less than us. I don't understand why we are paying Lindelof and Young 120k a week when Harry Kane only earns 120k and Dybala 110k. Apparently, Fellaini is not happy with the 120k offer we have presented him with and is holding out for 150k which is simply madness. Overpaying for players means we can't shift players at decent prices as who wants to takeover Lingards contract at 100k per week?
 
We definitely can but why do we need two top attackers? I reckon one established attacker and a younger one with potential/hidden (raw) gem would do just fine.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
We definitely can but why do we need two top attackers? I reckon one established attacker and a younger one with potential/hidden (raw) gem would do just fine.
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I would agree normally but right now we have 2 of them and the manager doesn't want to use them much or together much due to the balance.

And, he is hardly the one we should be trusted with those kind of gems. Would probably turn out some waste of money.
 
They will get a whiff of glory and go for it. I think they see we are these signings off from being very dangerous and they will do the job.
Not only for the glory of course, but also because a dangerous side is great business.
 
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First we need to sell.

Expecting Mata,Mickhi ,Young,Darmian,Shaw and Fellaini to leave and carrick to retire. Think one of smalling/rojo/blind will leave too

Fullbacks : Valencia , F Mensah , O’Connor & New Left Back + Rojo+Demetri Mitchell
CB : Baily , Jones,Smalling,Rojo,Lindelof,Tuanzbe ( Tuanzbe should start playing next season )

Mid : Matic,Pogba,Ander,Pereira+ new signing

Wingers : New signing + Martial/Rashford

Forwards : Lukaku , Martial , Rashford

If we are planning to play 433 then I would add a LB,CM and RW
If we are plannig to play 4231 then add LB,RW and a number 10.

LB and RW is a must this summer , and depending on the style CM or a Number 10.
 
reddevilzZ said:
First we need to sell.

Expecting Mata,Mickhi ,Young,Darmian,Shaw and Fellaini to leave and carrick to retire. Think one of smalling/rojo/blind will leave too

Fullbacks : Valencia , F Mensah , O’Connor & New Left Back + Rojo+Demetri Mitchell
CB : Baily , Jones,Smalling,Rojo,Lindelof,Tuanzbe ( Tuanzbe should start playing next season )

Mid : Matic,Pogba,Ander,Pereira+ new signing

Wingers : New signing + Martial/Rashford

Forwards : Lukaku , Martial , Rashford

If we are planning to play 433 then I would add a LB,CM and RW
If we are plannig to play 4231 then add LB,RW and a number 10.

LB and RW is a must this summer , and depending on the style CM or a Number 10.
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Why do everybody keep in forgetting McTominey? Plus Young aint going nowhere..
 
reddevilzZ said:
If we get a new LB , young should move on.
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Why? He'd more useful as cover for LB than Carrick is (or has been) for CM. The aim is to create competition for places which is why all top clubs have large squads. On paper, Shaw, Darmian and even Blind should have been the solutions to LB. Shaw is a write off, Blind is a squad player and it's hard to see Darmian here past the summer. Young will be here next season. Best form in years.
 
Varun said:
If we sell both, sure. Doubt that's going to happen though in which case we need one. Moreover, I'd rather we made both martial and rashford work together instead of perennially competing for 1 spot.
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Martial and Rashford are not going to be playing together regularly. Mourinho does not support that idea since he has very limited options of the bench if the team isn't firing. He's opposed to the idea of playing Martial and Rashford on either flanks. In fact in the game against Newcastle, he played this weird asymmetrical formation which is as follows:

-----------------------------------------------------------Lukaku----------------------------------------------------------
------Martial--------------------Rashford----------------------------------Mata------------------------------------------
------------------------Pogba ---------------------------------- Matic -----------------------------Valencia--------------
Young-----------------------Smalling--------------------Lindelof---------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------De Gea-------------------------------------------------------------------

As you can tell, the formation is so lob sided and asymmetric which not only makes our attack predictable but also we are succumb to conceding goals because of the gaping holes. Martial and Rashford were playing most of the time on the left side of midfield. I would very much like to have Rashford be tried out on the Right but unfortunately he's not a genuine RW. I'm sick and tired of people trying to use players to fill positions that's not their strength. We need specialists. A proper RW who can (for god sake) crosses the freaking ball and offer some attack and width on the right. Valencia for all his work rate does not provide a good quality cross consistently and it would be unfair for him to be responsible for working the right side completely. We need a proper No.10 who can basically work like Amazon.... Connect the midfield (buyers) to attack (sellers). Someone who can run at the opposition as well as outmuscle them. Mhiki has been really poor. His biggest strength is running at the opposition and he's failed miserably. Mata shouldn't be a starter for the biggest teams in the world. He's at best a bench player and if I were Mourinho, I would keep Mata and sell Mhiki and buy a No. 10 that's able to tune in with Pogba from midfield as well as Lukaku in attack.
 
charlenefan said:
That would be a great window if we got those 3 (or replace Dybala with Griezmann)
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And I think that's quite possible if we get Ozil on a free, Dybala for 150m and Rose for 40m. I think that should cover the roles that we have. I think we're bound to losing Shaw and probably even Mhiki unless he works wonders in the second half of the season.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Obviously, we have the means to make deals for two top attackers and a top full back but in 2018 that is going to be some serious coin to achieve.

Two top attackers - of the calibre we are desperate for - could easily cost £200m if they are of the right age and profile. Easy.

A top LB at market rates is £50m. Maybe we can get a prospect for less?

Can we raise much from player sales?

We cannot expect a for-profit company lie United to keep investing most of our earnings on players forever.
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So where would you expect the club to spend its money? If we don't purchase expensive, high profile players, then we'll be earning less revenue, due to being less successful. Very little has been invested in the stadium for the last decader and it's beginning to show.
 
Devil may care said:
Slapping £40M and £50M price tags on players who aren't in the last year of their contracts, just because you want them isn't realistic, last summer set the new tone, not only the Neymar deal but the fact Barca paid £130M for a kid with one and half seasons under his belt who Dortmund had paid like £12M for just a year earlier, no way the clubs are going to give up their best assets to us for the fees some seem to think, they'll be looking to bleed us dry.
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Whilst i agree with this im pretty sure Inter will now think....hmmm, we would now like 42 or so mill for Perisic. We showed with that situation that we ARE willing to walk away, which bodes well for future prices.
 
SS said:
Yeah, Ozil or Soler I think.
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Reasons that Ozil will come to United
1. Ozil rumors very strong
2. He's supposedly rejected Fenerbache and joining us in the summer
3. Barcelona were interested but can't match his wages
4. Ozil to United on a free is as good a deal as the Zlatan one
5. We can actually match his ambitions and wage demands
6. Although an estranged relationship with Mourinho, Ozil respects him and would like to play for him again
7. Ed would want a marquee signing to take on the No.10 shirt after Zlatan leaves in the summer
8. Mhiki and Mata are just not working well in the No. 10 role and lack consistency and creativity
9. Mourinho likes his players to be experienced and Ozil will be 29-30 if he were to join us
10. So far all the players which Mourinho has bought (Zlatan, Lukaku, Matic - who he has worked with) have turned out to be good signings and Ozil could very well be another masterstroke.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
Why? He'd more useful as cover for LB than Carrick is (or has been) for CM. The aim is to create competition for places which is why all top clubs have large squads. On paper, Shaw, Darmian and even Blind should have been the solutions to LB. Shaw is a write off, Blind is a squad player and it's hard to see Darmian here past the summer. Young will be here next season. Best form in years.
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I agree we could keep Young as he is a decent squad player with an ability to cover for LB, RB and RW. No point in selling Young because he's unlikely to generate much revenue as he's 32 years old. We should upgrade all three wide positions with new first-team players and keep Young as a utility with an ability to cover for all three first-team players. As you said Blind, Shaw and Darmain aren't up to the required standard to be first team players and could be sold and the funds put towards first-team players for LB, RB and RW. We need an improvement in the quality of the squad and a reduction in the quantity.
 
200m on two top attackers? Nah, that's probably beyond out reach. We don't actually need to spend tons on attackers; we could easily get two class attackers for less than 130m. Forsberg and 40m for Rose has been rumored, an upcoming RW will do too.
 
poacher said:
You need to open your mind to the world of possibilities that are available. Rather than spend 150m on Dybala and 90m on Griezmann/Bale and 50m on Rose there are tons of good players that are available for a lot less. How about instead of spending 290m on those three players we upgrade our entire squad with the same money, for example, we could get:

Ghoulam on a free
Manolas on a free
Tah 22m release clause
Fabinho 50m
Jorginho 40m
Leon Bailey 40m
Fekir 50m
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as if any of them will be 'united quality' after they are signed. just useless

also I suggest you to look up team which actually win stuff
they have a core of absolute top, top players and often lots of average ones in their squad

no squad of 25 'good' (the kind what you would suggest) players wins a damn thing
 
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@poacher, you could change your username to Whopper and I would still be able to point out your transfer forum posts. :wenger:
 
Schneckerl said:
as if any of them will be 'united quality' after they are signed. just useless

also I suggest you to look up team which actually win stuff
they have a core of absolute top, top players and often lots of average ones in their squad

no squad of 25 'good' (the kind what you would suggest) players wins a damn thing
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If I am understanding you correctly you are a proponent of the strategy of marquee signings. The problem of the strategy of signing marquee players and filling the rest of the squad with bang average players is that it does not work. We have tried this strategy for years and it does not work because for every Paul Pogba we have a plethroa of players like Daley Blind, Fellaini, Miki, Darmain, Lingard etc that are getting lots of playing time. Other problems of the strategy you are proposing is that it leaves us with an incredibly thin squad that's vulnerable to injuries as occurred with Pobga recently. The team that I am proposing has much greater depth and wouldn't be as vulnerable to injuries for example if Pogba was injured we could have moved Fekir into a midfield three or moved Fabinho from RB and into midfield and we wouldn't have been overrun in the midfield and had to resort to hoofball.

You say that signing good players rather than marquee players have never worked however it is working at Man City. Has Man City signed the 100m plus marquee signings that many on here are advocating? No Man City are signing the 30m to 50m quality non-marquee players that I am advocating and are doing rather well. Man City have been able to build an incredible squad by signing the exact kind of players that I am advocating. By signing cheaper non-marquee players Man City has built an incredible squad depth that we can only dream of. You can't build squad depth if you are blowing most of your budget on one marquee signing. Jose has spent 300m since he has arrived and yet we still have holes all over the squad. Jose could have built a much more competitive team if he had spent the 300m on cheaper players. If he had not blown 164m on just two players and then another 31m on the useless Lindelof maybe we wouldn't have to play failed wingers as fullbacks and failed AM as wingers and we wouldn't have had to resort to hoofball due to the Pogba injury.

You say that the players I have listed are not United quality well they are superior to 90% of the players currently at the club. Lets see are Lingard, Mata, Miki, Shaw, Jones, Darmain, Smalling, Young, Lindelof, Carrick, Fellaini better than the players I listed? I would say NO! Do those bang average players already at the club meet your mythical 'United standard'?

The definition of insanity is to do the same thing again and again and expect a different approach. We have tried the approach of signing marquee players like Bastian, Pogba, Zlatan, Falcao, Lakaku and it has failed again and again as evidenced by our league finishes since SAF left. I am advocating that we move away from one or two marquee players surrounded by bang average players and instead bring in young dynamic technically gifted non-marquee players and developing a team rather than relying on a moment of individual brilliance from the one or two superstars in the team.
 
I'd rather to focus on getting two full backs and if its the case let the rest to next window.
When you watch the best teams is clearly the crucial role of the modern full back.
 
Sparky10Legend said:
Whilst i agree with this im pretty sure Inter will now think....hmmm, we would now like 42 or so mill for Perisic. We showed with that situation that we ARE willing to walk away, which bodes well for future prices.
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I think the diufference there was that he's a middle of the road player in his late 20's with no marketing value and no one else was after him, so our money men drew a line, some of the young attackers being mentioned here are going to have a lot more competition for their signatures.
 
reddevilzZ said:
If we get a new LB , young should move on.
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Young's fine as backup. One of the best attitudes I've seen, and often does something when called upon. Never invisible. Just what you need from a squad member really. Shame he's 32.
 
VeevaVee said:
Young's fine as backup. One of the best attitudes I've seen, and often does something when called upon. Never invisible. Just what you need from a squad member really. Shame he's 32.
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Young as a backup is fine with me too. But since his contract is expiring I am not sure we will give him a new one.

Ideally Darmian , Shaw and Blind should leave and we should get a new LB

Valencia + Mensah on right
New LB + Young on left

Mitchel should allowed to leave on loan. And we should be looking at O'Connor as long term Valencia replacement . This kid is special
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
Why? He'd more useful as cover for LB than Carrick is (or has been) for CM. The aim is to create competition for places which is why all top clubs have large squads. On paper, Shaw, Darmian and even Blind should have been the solutions to LB. Shaw is a write off, Blind is a squad player and it's hard to see Darmian here past the summer. Young will be here next season. Best form in years.
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Young as a backup is fine with me too. But since his contract is expiring I am not sure we will give him a new one.

Ideally Darmian , Shaw and Blind should leave and we should get a new LB

Valencia + Mensah on right
New LB + Young on left

Mitchel should allowed to leave on loan. And we should be looking at O'Connor as long term Valencia replacement . This kid is special
 
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