Do you want Ronaldo to stay or to leave?

[sullydnl]

I voted stay but on second thought, I am not seeing how it is viable. Ronaldo will never accept a role that is anything other than guaranteed starter for the games he wants to play. The man is a champion.
The people saying he does not need to press are getting it wrong imo. You bring a manager with a specific way of playing and with a mandate to instill that playing style. Right from the get-go, you are asking him to compromise. Look at Norwich's second goal yesterday. At no point did Ronaldo or any of the forwards engage the Norwich player on the ball or off it until it was to late. Our performance off the ball has never been great but it has gotten considerably worse this season. For all Ronnie's magic, you'd be naive if you think he hasn't contributed in any way towards it.
We have now hired a manager whose team presses harder than Klopp's for that matter. I think it's unfair on him if he's forced to play a guy who can't/won't press. He's 37 and wants to play till he's 40. I can't see how he accepts that kind of strain on his body. There have been reports over the last few days that ETH doesn't see Ronaldo as part of his plans and I can't blame him. Ronaldo could be tough player to handle if he isn't or is playing.

Agree.

It would be less of an issue if Ronaldo was willing to gracefully accept being dropped from the first eleven, because at that point the new manager could have his cake and eat it to a certain extent. Have a first 11 that can function the way he wants it to but without having to immediately get rid of Ronaldo from the squad.

Because we don't believe Ronaldo will accept that, the new manager has to make a big call on him immediately. Play him as much as he wants and the manager has to fundamentally compromise the approach we brought him in to instill and slow our progress in adopting that style of play. Sell him and risk the early lack of goals (and ire of Ronaldo's more cultish fans). Or try for that middle ground and risk a season of negativity and petulance from your highest profile player.

 

[Bastian]

Why are we even worse when he doesn’t play?

I mean, we instantly looked a better and more balanced team when we swapped out Ruud for Saha.

That follows the same logic. We've not evolved as a team this season without him. I'm not arguing for Martial, or any particular player as such, but he'd obviously not have gone on loan. The point is, it's just impossible to say how we would have been had Ronnie not been signed. You can't just take the season as it's panned out and detract Ronnie's contribution and think that's sound logic. It isn't.

 

[Devil_forever]

He has to stay, even at 37 he’s as good as prime Lukaku

Show me when prime Lukaku scored as much variety of goals as Ronnie has this season.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

I could understand people saying leave if we had a situation like where Tevez was starting on the bench and/or we were going to sign one of the leagues best strikers.

But how are people asking our best striker to leave when we have absolutely no cover and nobody lined up. Obviously not too bright

 

[sullydnl]

I could understand people saying leave if we had a situation like where Tevez was starting on the bench and/or we were going to sign one of the leagues best strikers.

But how are people asking our best striker to leave when we have absolutely no cover and nobody lined up. Obviously not too bright

Rangnick said it was obvious that we need to sign a CF this summer and it's been repeatedly stated in the press that a CF is our main priority along with a midfielder, so we're operating under the assumption that will happen. Obviously if it didn't then that would be different but there's no reason to think we won't.

And as many in the thread have already said, the issue is the perception that Ronaldo won't then be happy to be second choice. Because obviously if he was then you'd keep him in the squad even with a new CF signing due to our lack of numbers.

 

[Bestietom]

Leave, bring in Nunez and give some youngsters a chance. His wages could pay at least 3 others.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Rangnick said it was obvious that we need to sign a CF this summer and it's been repeatedly stated in the press that a CF is our main priority along with a midfielder, so we're operating under the assumption that will happen. Obviously if it didn't then that would be different but there's no reason to think we won't.

And as many in the thread have already said, the issue is the perception that Ronaldo won't then be happy to be second choice. Because obviously if he was then you'd keep him in the squad even with a new CF signing due to our lack of numbers.

It’s been obvious we need other positions too before and we haven’t.

And I have absolutely no faith that United will get one of the required quality.

Ronaldo is still world class

 

[crossy1686]

Leave, bring in Nunez and give some youngsters a chance. His wages could pay at least 3 others.

Who?

 

[glazed]

I voted stay but on second thought, I am not seeing how it is viable.

Yeah when you think about it you realise we are in an awful mess and Ronaldo is an obstacle to implementing the solution. He is the bottle of whisky of a self medicating drunk that makes the pain go away for a while only to come back twice as bad next day.

This is probably why most fans don't want to think about it.

 

[Bondi77]

Up to the boss.

 

[horsechoker]

Ronnie you've got let us know
Will you stay or will you go
If you say that you are fine
You'll be here till the end of time

 

[Bestietom]

Who?

Someone much younger than Ronaldo, but with plenty of fire and enthusiasm. If we havn't got them in the club then bring them in.

 

[sullydnl]

Yeah when you think about it you realise we are in an awful mess and Ronaldo is an obstacle to implementing the solution. He is the bottle of whisky of a self medicating drunk that makes the pain go away for a while only to come back twice as bad next day.

This is probably why most fans don't want to think about it.

You could make an argument that both Ronaldo and De Gea carried us this season while also arguing that they're both impediments to developing under ETH in a way that would stop us from needing to be carried. It's a sign of a dysfunctional team when your poison is your cure and vice versa.

 

[SirScholes]

If he accepts he’s there for others to learn from, a voice in the dressing room and we sign a new striker then stay

sadly I don’t think he will accept that, and will need to leave if he wants 1st team action

 

[crossy1686]

Someone much younger than Ronaldo, but with plenty of fire and enthusiasm. If we havn't got them in the club then bring them in.

Who? Which clubs are these youngsters at?

People keep saying "give the youngsters a chance" without actually saying who these youngsters are, like we're sitting on a bunch of potentially world class players just waiting score 30 goals a season...

but only if Ronaldo isn't at the club.

 

[Bestietom]

Who? Which clubs are these youngsters at?

People keep saying "give the youngsters a chance" without actually saying who these youngsters are, like we're sitting on a bunch of potentially world class players just waiting score 30 goals a season...

but only if Ronaldo isn't at the club.

Yes we have some very good youngsters coming through, but I never said anything about having any young player scoring us 30 goals a season.
I said we should bring in Nunez then add some younger players to our squad. If we havn't got them at the club then bring them in. Nkunku and Antony are examples. If Ten Hag feels the likes of Mejbri and Garnacho are good enough then add them to the squad.

 

[glazed]

You could make an argument that both Ronaldo and De Gea carried us this season while also arguing that they're both impediments to developing under ETH in a way that would stop us from needing to be carried. It's a sign of a dysfunctional team when your poison is your cure and vice versa.

Exactly so. Doctor TenH is the cure, not Ronaldo.

 

[Foxbatt]

Who? Which clubs are these youngsters at?

People keep saying "give the youngsters a chance" without actually saying who these youngsters are, like we're sitting on a bunch of potentially world class players just waiting score 30 goals a season...

but only if Ronaldo isn't at the club.

Agree with you. These people are crazy. Who are these youngsters who are currently better strikers than Ronaldo that is at United? If we spent millions in getting a top quality striker to replace Ronaldo then what happens to the replacement of McFred? And AWB, And Maguire and Lindelof? Shaw is injured. What about replacing Pogba who is going on a free? And DeGea who cannot come out and take command of his box? Yeah replace Ronaldo and all of a sudden McFred becomes peak Inniesta and Xavi and Busquests combined. Maguire becomes Baresi and Lindelof into Rijkaard. AWB into Phillip Lahm.

 

[crossy1686]

Yes we have some very good youngsters coming through, but I never said anything about having any young player scoring us 30 goals a season.
I said we should bring in Nunez then add some younger players to our squad. If we havn't got them at the club then bring them in. Nkunku and Antony are examples. If Ten Hag feels the likes of Mejbri and Garnacho are good enough then add them to the squad.

We're still short so it doesn't make sense to get rid of Ronaldo, and I would guarantee that even if we wanted him gone and he wanted to leave, no one will pay his wages anyway.

The kids aren't ready otherwise they'd be playing in what is the worst and weakest squad we've had in 10 years. Elanga is the only one to break through this season and he doesn't exactly look like he's going to set the world on fire. If we swap Ronaldo out for another Elanga then we're down about 20 goals a season and some poor kids fronting the ire of the fans.

Those kids you mentioned need loans to PL clubs first, tearing it up at youth level isn't worth much to anyone.

 

[Foxbatt]

Yes we have some very good youngsters coming through, but I never said anything about having any young player scoring us 30 goals a season.
I said we should bring in Nunez then add some younger players to our squad. If we havn't got them at the club then bring them in. Nkunku and Antony are examples. If Ten Hag feels the likes of Mejbri and Garnacho are good enough then add them to the squad.

Do you understand that there are more important positions that we need to replace. The midfield for instance? a RB and a right winger too? Pogba is leaving and so is Lingard so that is two positions in midfield we need to fill? Then Matic is leaving too so our only DM is leaving? And you talk about replacing Ronaldo as the biggest priority?

 

[AndySmith1990]

I voted stay but on second thought, I am not seeing how it is viable. Ronaldo will never accept a role that is anything other than guaranteed starter for the games he wants to play. The man is a champion.
The people saying he does not need to press are getting it wrong imo. You bring a manager with a specific way of playing and with a mandate to instill that playing style. Right from the get-go, you are asking him to compromise. Look at Norwich's second goal yesterday. At no point did Ronaldo or any of the forwards engage the Norwich player on the ball or off it until it was to late. Our performance off the ball has never been great but it has gotten considerably worse this season. For all Ronnie's magic, you'd be naive if you think he hasn't contributed in any way towards it.
We have now hired a manager whose team presses harder than Klopp's for that matter. I think it's unfair on him if he's forced to play a guy who can't/won't press. He's 37 and wants to play till he's 40. I can't see how he accepts that kind of strain on his body. There have been reports over the last few days that ETH doesn't see Ronaldo as part of his plans and I can't blame him. Ronaldo could be tough player to handle if he isn't or is playing.

Correct. Bottom line for me is: Team > individuals. No compromises

 

[Big E]

Why would you want him to leave. Given the right service and support he can still score goals for united..

 

[Bestietom]

We're still short so it doesn't make sense to get rid of Ronaldo, and I would guarantee that even if we wanted him gone and he wanted to leave, no one will pay his wages anyway.

The kids aren't ready otherwise they'd be playing in what is the worst and weakest squad we've had in 10 years. Elanga is the only one to break through this season and he doesn't exactly look like he's going to set the world on fire. If we swap Ronaldo out for another Elanga then we're down about 20 goals a season and some poor kids fronting the ire of the fans.

Those kids you mentioned need loans to PL clubs first, tearing it up at youth level isn't worth much to anyone.

If Ronaldo does go the new manager is not going to leave us bare up front. I am sure he will go all out to compensate for the loss of Ronaldo's goals.
Nunez and Nkunku are 2 players that can score goals and if Ten Hag is manager I am sure he can get more from others also. He likes to play attacking football all the time, but with a good defence also.

 

[Adisa]

Up to the boss.

Is it eeally? If Ronaldo can't find a taker, he's here next season.

 

[Bestietom]

Do you understand that there are more important positions that we need to replace. The midfield for instance? a RB and a right winger too? Pogba is leaving and so is Lingard so that is two positions in midfield we need to fill? Then Matic is leaving too so our only DM is leaving? And you talk about replacing Ronaldo as the biggest priority?

Yes I do understand all of this but the conversation I am having is just about our forwards for now, if you don't mind.
If you want to talk about midfield , Tchouameni and Enzo Fernandez would be my choices.

 

[crossy1686]

If Ronaldo does go the new manager is not going to leave us bare up front. I am sure he will go all out to compensate for the loss of Ronaldo's goals.
Nunez and Nkunku are 2 players that can score goals and if Ten Hag is manager I am sure he can get more from others also. He likes to play attacking football all the time, but with a good defence also.

Have you seen the state of our midfield? Whatever the plan is at board level I promise you it's to sign the customary 3 players this summer, 2 midfielders and 1 striker. Then the budget's gone and they start planning for next summer's 3 players. A new manager isn't going to fix anything and we're going to end up weaker and weaker in all departments unless the incoming manager can find a way to get something out of the current squad as it is.

In the summer we lose:

Pogba
Matic
Mata
Lingard
Cavani
Greenwood
Martial (maybe)
Bailly
Henderson
Chong
Tuanzebe

We can't afford to lose Ronaldo on top of that.

 

[RORY65]

I don't think he will fit into what Ten Hag wants at all so the best case scenario would be for him to leave to get off his huge wages and to give the new manager a blank slate (people talking about him having the option to drop Ronaldo at times as if that wouldn't cause huge issues within the club and from Ronaldo's camp are out of their minds). He will be here though because he's on such big money so I think Ten Hag will have to be pragmatic in his first year and make some allowances for the fact that his starting striker doesn't fit with his plans.

 

[Bestietom]

Have you seen the state of our midfield? Whatever the plan is at board level I promise you it's to sign the customary 3 players this summer, 2 midfielders and 1 striker. Then the budget's gone and they start planning for next summer's 3 players. A new manager isn't going to fix anything and we're going to end up weaker and weaker in all departments unless the incoming manager can find a way to get something out of the current squad as it is.

In the summer we lose:

Pogba
Matic
Mata
Lingard
Cavani
Greenwood
Martial (maybe)
Bailly
Henderson
Chong
Tuanzebe

We can't afford to lose Ronaldo on top of that.

I honestly think there will be a couple of players sold on top of the ones you named, and at least 4/5 players brought in. That's only my opinion mate. We will have to wait and see, and agree to differ until then.

 

[crossy1686]

I honestly think there will be a couple of players sold on top of the ones you named, and at least 4/5 players brought in. That's only my opinion mate. We will have to wait and see, and agree to differ until then.

I hear you mate and I hope you're right, I want the same as you but unless we can get some unbelievable deals for Ajax players and Menghi/Garner/Hannibal are ready to play some part, it's going to be a tough season next year.

 

[Adisa]

Have you seen the state of our midfield? Whatever the plan is at board level I promise you it's to sign the customary 3 players this summer, 2 midfielders and 1 striker. Then the budget's gone and they start planning for next summer's 3 players. A new manager isn't going to fix anything and we're going to end up weaker and weaker in all departments unless the incoming manager can find a way to get something out of the current squad as it is.

In the summer we lose:

Pogba
Matic
Mata
Lingard
Cavani
Greenwood
Martial (maybe)
Bailly
Henderson
Chong
Tuanzebe

We can't afford to lose Ronaldo on top of that.

Has he been charged?

 

[crossy1686]

Has he been charged?

Not yet but there would have to be a massive climb down from the defendant for him to come back you would imagine, and even then you would think his time at United is over.

 

[Marwood]

Add another striker to the squad but can't imagine why anybody would want him to leave.

 

[Bestietom]

I hear you mate and I hope you're right, I want the same as you but unless we can get some unbelievable deals for Ajax players and Menghi/Garner/Hannibal are ready to play some part, it's going to be a tough season next year.

I really hope not mate. This season was far too hard to bear. I havn't been to a game since January when I seen this lot not even trying, I walked out and went to pub.
Rangnick and Ten Hag can spot talent and I hope they can do it together next season. Let's keep our hopes up Mate.

 

[Idxomer]

It’s been obvious we need other positions too before and we haven’t.

And I have absolutely no faith that United will get one of the required quality.

Ronaldo is still world class

No, he isn't.

In some games, he shows why he was but most of the time he barely looks like a good player never mind a world-class one.

 

[Foxbatt]

Yes I do understand all of this but the conversation I am having is just about our forwards for now, if you don't mind.
If you want to talk about midfield , Tchouameni and Enzo Fernandez would be my choices.

Yes but you can't simply have a conversation about replacing a forward without looking at the whole team. It does not work in real life. Replacing Ronaldo is not the most important priority for now.

 

[Bestietom]

Yes but you can't simply have a conversation about replacing a forward without looking at the whole team. It does not work in real life. Replacing Ronaldo is not the most important priority for now.

Look Mate I know this. I am just having a conversation with this gentleman OK.

 

[crossy1686]

No, he isn't.

In some games, he shows why he was but most of the time he barely looks like a good player never mind a world-class one.

He’s turned into a flat track bully, which earned Lukaku a big move. We can still use him in some games

 

[DevTheRed]

Fine with him staying as long as he understands that he may not start every game. I don’t want a situation where we bring in a young talented striker and Ronnie has a hissy fit because he isn’t starting week in week out.

One thing is for certain, if he plays in a team which creates good quality chances (which hopefully Ten Hag will do) he’ll score goals for fun.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

No, he isn't.

In some games, he shows why he was but most of the time he barely looks like a good player never mind a world-class one.

I’m not sure I could explain my point to you without crayons. When you go back to school on Tuesday try to listen when the teacher speaks a bit more often

 

[Berbaclass]

Leave, for the good of the team as a whole if he can't fit into ETH's plans. If he can then I'm fine with him staying.