He's clearly a top level coach, no one is disputing that, but he's led Liverpool to a very lonely one domestic title in a decade of football. He broke multiple transfer records for that acomplishment too.
Would you rather we kept Klopp for another five seasons? It's the best way to guarantee not many more trophies, right?
If he overachieved with both then its not overachievment anymore. The man knows how to build a RockNRoll gegenpress machine on a less than max budget.
What's with all the hypotheticals?
But the fact Liverpool where 30 years without a title and where just a big club who averagely finished 4-6th and now are considered the best team(or 2nd best) in the world.
I disagree. You cannot have the edge over someone that has 3 times as many trophies as you when he's been managing half as long. And that's even allowing for your point about budget differences.
Look, Liverpool's title drought was a travesty of the ages. We all felt deep, heartfelt sorrow for their abysmal plight. We'll never forget those totally legit feels, ya know? Brings a tear to my eye just thinking about it. Sniff.
One quadruple would trump all of those trebles and trophies combined. He would instantly become the greatest manager of all time in any sport ever.
That's just an arbitrary metric to compare them that removes the need for any context.
No, and that is 100 percent down to the outstanding work done by Klopp. He is a fantastic manager and deserving of all the praise he gets.
That's not my logic at all. If Zidane had 3 times the trophies that Pep does after managing for half the time, then you'd have a point. But he doesn't.
Eh no not really as player experience and maturity is important too. Messi quite clearly hit a new level. Claiming guardiola rebuilt that team is sort of ridiculous. It was a maturing team that he did a great job with but took over at a dream moment
That’s not how it works, otherwise AVB would be rated way higher on the list of greatest ever managers
It was just a question, there's really no need for you to use terms like 'weird' and 'infantile'.
It is not ridiculous. Those players point their progression to him and his methods, Xavi pretty much swears by it. Henry, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, etc, a bunch of others all point to Pep. There is no explanation on the planet that fits better than that Pep is one of the GOATs of coaching and he made that team tick. Tbh it's ridiculous to claim otherwise, when the people closest to that time themselves, the players themselves, affirm his gigantic influence.
listen); born 16 June 1967) is a German professional football manager and former player who is the manager of Premier League club Liverpool. He is widely regarded as one of the best managers in the worldThere was just a little hint of sarcasm in my post. I still thought it was quite obvious. Maybe I need to use more emojis.
Absolutely, its why I feel he'll need to "prove" it at a club that will win consistently. He's a great manager but he needs a trophy haul to match the other greats. He may do that at Liverpool and imho that would make him the greatest but also being runner up to City forever would leave him shy in the trophy count for the greats long term. He needs to prove he can win consistently.This is a Klopp thread which seems to have (regrettably) turned into a Klopp v Guardiola thread, but I thought it was interesting what was written on their respective Wikipedia pages. For Guardiola:
Josep "Pep" Guardiola Sala (Catalan pronunciation: [ʒuˈzɛb ɡwəɾðiˈɔlə]; born 18 January 1971) is a Spanish professional football manager and former player, who is the current manager of Premier League club Manchester City. He is considered one of the greatest managers of all time
For Jurgen:
Jürgen Norbert Klopp (German pronunciation: [ˈjʏʁɡn̩ ˈklɔp] (
Make of that what you will. Could this season change Klopp's legacy?
There are coaches who only work being underdog. When they have more resources available they get lost. IE : Mourinho
This is because of his style of play and football philosophy.
So you have no argument as usual. Come in, spout nonsense, get asked to validate your opinion, cry.
mother of meltdowns. I stated a fairly commonly held opinion about guardiola and you started demanding 'proof' which again, can't be provided for an opinion on a hypothetical situation. I steered clear of conversing with you, well, for exactly this reason. You're incredibly hyperbolic and defensive to any criticism of city's murderous owners.You mean the same me who's last mention of our owners was they should be gone? Did I deny what they were in either of your posts? I asked you to back up why Klopp would be successful at City nothing more or nothing less.
Im sorry to have mistaken you for Irish, but im Irish and you seem to be trying to tie me to some anti Irish sentiment which is very weird. I was sure you once said you were Irish so it was a simple mix up, but in any case the nationality of the countless murderous thugs harboured by UAE shouldn't really matter. Again, its probably best not to go on because i find the mental gymnastics and rationalising pretty hard to stomach where dubai is concerned and its a detour too far which i instigated and should stop for sake of the thread.
Im sorry that my opinion that guardiola couldn't do what klopp did at Liverpool aggravates you so much. But im only one little person on the Internet and you can ignore me
Im going to suggest a night's sleep on this, its getting a bit rambling for me. Maybe read our interaction in chronology in the morning, i don't think any comment about your owners that upset you so much was out of place. I've apologised already for thinking you're Irish i was sure you once said you were. For what it's worth i was hugely against chelseas takeover too, and Newcastles now. It took near genocide in Ukraine for some to acknowledge that people's aversion to Abramovich wasn't just sporting jealousy. Night
I said your comment on our owners was fine, like literally in the post you quoted, I said you avoided what I asked in my quote of you to post nonsense which you did. Maybe you just can't read well, good night and take care.
His first real test.
This is a bit of a straw man though. I think he did an incredible job at barca, its clear to see, but to say he rebuilt them in the context of what klopp did at Liverpool is a stretch. He added Dani Alves to an absurdly talented squad and yes, absolutely, got them playing brilliantly
If who was a decent mgr?
