Dyke's Plan to Restrict Non-EU Players

[AKDevil]

I dont get it, whats the goal here? If its to make clubs buy english players thats not going to happen. You are basically replacing Non-EU players with EU(Except england) players due to them being cheaper and better.

It doesn't make sense. It's a half measure. All it will do is change the non eu and eu players clubs go for. If the goal is to increase English players and opportunities for English players they should simply introduce quotas at the very top level saying clubs can have x in squad, have to have x in match day squad etc. They are pussyfooting around the issue and just coming up with ideas to make people think they are doing something when in reality they are not. It's like when you're told to tidy your room and all you do is move the mess from one place to another.

 

[AKDevil]

There's no way it could happen, and I haven't put a lot of thought into it, so it could (and no doubt will) have major flaws in it but:

Why not introduce a salary cap for young English players under the age of 18? This would give players more reason to choose clubs where they will get more opportunities rather than choosing for money, and might even encourage more English players to go abroad.

Hopefully it would also leave young English players a little more grounded too, and not feel like they've made it before they can grow a beard.

I know this is probably rife with legal issues, but I'd be interested to know why it couldn't be done. Most likely discrimination laws, but surely they could be a way to circumvent those.

The laws are a cop out IMO. If they wanted to bring in rules that would improve the situation they could. There's not enough desire because PL and FA have opposing priorities and PL's is having the best and most attractive and rivalling la liga etc which basically means foreign.

 

[rcoobc]

One thing you have to say is that this is NOT in the Premier League's best interests. So that article about the FA cannot be made.

The FA and the Premier League are hilarious.

The FA: "Okay, we've decided that we want you to have your B-sides in the Football League"
Football League: "Err what?"
Premier League: "Thankyou FA, but we have too much respect for the football pyramid."
Football League: "YOU have respect for the football pyramid?"
The FA: "You've been asking for this for years! We've decided the time is right, we must improve the English National Team."
Football League: Don't I get a say in this?"
Premier League: "Sorry, but we would rather continue with our Under 21 Model. Thankyou for the offer though"
The FA: "You will improve the England Team Premier League. One way or another. Mwhahahahaha"

 

[Globule]

I'm going to add a few more suggestions to my suggestion above. I'm mainly just throwing sh*t at the wall and seeing what sticks (hey, I could run the FA), so bear with me.

1. English players under the age of 18 cannot earn more than X amount. (make this low enough so that most teams are on a level playing field - 2-5k a week perhaps - encourages players to find right club and not choose more lucrative offers at the expense of their careers)
2. All English under 18s must have an FA representative as an agent
3. U-18s are free to leave their contract at the end of any season if certain criteria are not met (minimum of 5 appearances for PL, maybe more for lower leagues)
4. PL clubs can only play homegrown and U-21s in the League Cup
5. Transfer fees are fixed depending on criteria (appearances/division of selling club/division of buying club/how long the player has been with club) with prices agreed annually by the FA depending on the market

For 5, I was thinking: If a player has appeared in 50% of games for a League two side and is being bought by a League One side, the fee might be fixed at £500,000. If the same player gets an offer from a PL club, the fee will be fixed at £3 million, for example.

The difficult is balance things so that it's fair to clubs, but gives more freedom to young English players while ensuring that they are still protected.

 

[RedRover]

Sorry if this has been posted already, I looked for a relevant thread but couldn't find it.

Dyke's plan to restrict the quality and numbers of non-EU players coming to this country is basically laid out here :

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...-to-slash-number-of-non-EU-players-in-England

Without going into the arguments for and against, I'm broadly for it. I think there are too many average -class non-EU players in our game, just because they're cheap to get.

What do you think?

I think he needs to address why clubs will buy average non-EU players rather than promote English lads from the youth team.

It's clear that however cheap a player is, it's not as cheap as promoting a youngster. The issue then is evidently that they aren't good enough.

First thing Id do is go and find the best youth coaches at La Masia or Ajax and offer then a shit load of money to come here and tell us why our coaching isn't working. We can then incorporate that into the training if new coaches at the centre of excellence and send them out to put it into practice.

Instead what he's doing is trying to arse about with League 2 with "B" teams, bribing clubs to let their young stars cone and get kicked all over. We have that already by the way - it's call the loan system.

This limiting EU players won't get off the ground because the PL won't go for it and it makes sod all difference anyway. More english players might get a game but if they weren't good enough to do so before why will they be now? All this will do is reduce the standard of the league rather than address why these young lads aren't good enough.

 

[AKDevil]

Prices of English/British players and premium is a real problem. Makes them off putting. If you don't get a kid from a 'smaller' club and he moved to a 'medium' club for a reasonable fee when the time comes for move to 'big' club, fee is a joke.
Think a pricing scale needs to be introduced to make prices set in stone.
Take the valuing of players out of hands of clubs.
I don't care if that sounds wrong, for the greater good it needs doing.
For example deeney, mcgoldrick, McCormack types...champ clubs should never, ever be allowed to charge fees they did.
They've only scored goals in championship.
Faced with that off course you'd look abroad.
Save would be along lines of a price for each champ goal or 10 goals, appearances etc with more money paid as add ons for potential achievements appearances like goals, appearances, international caps.

I'm going to add a few more suggestions to my suggestion above. I'm mainly just throwing sh*t at the wall and seeing what sticks (hey, I could run the FA), so bear with me.

1. English players under the age of 18 cannot earn more than X amount. (make this low enough so that most teams are on a level playing field - 2-5k a week perhaps - encourages players to find right club and not choose more lucrative offers at the expense of their careers)
2. All English under 18s must have an FA representative as an agent
3. U-18s are free to leave their contract at the end of any season if certain criteria are not met (minimum of 5 appearances for PL, maybe more for lower leagues)
4. PL clubs can only play homegrown and U-21s in the League Cup
5. Transfer fees are fixed depending on criteria (appearances/division of selling club/division of buying club/how long the player has been with club) with prices agreed annually by the FA depending on the market

For 5, I was thinking: If a player has appeared in 50% of games for a League two side and is being bought by a League One side, the fee might be fixed at £500,000. If the same player gets an offer from a PL club, the fee will be fixed at £3 million, for example.

The difficult is balance things so that it's fair to clubs, but gives more freedom to young English players while ensuring that they are still protected.

 

[peterstorey]

I think he needs to address why clubs will buy average non-EU players rather than promote English lads from the youth team.

All this will do is reduce the standard of the league rather than address why these young lads aren't good enough.

Right and right again. Off the top of my head: Italy, Spain and Germany have over 30000 qualified coaches, the UK as less than 3000. Dyke's just a media arse.

 

[Ramshock]

If they went on a huge recruiting drive to hire thousands of new coaches and trained them to the highest standard and relaxed training hour rules then the english/home nation kids will make their own way into squads

 

[RedRover]

Dyke is attacking the problem from the wrong angle as usual.

Give the players the choice of decent quality English players and I am sure they would take it.

Just saying here, there you go fellas you can't have any more Colombians, Africans, Argentinians etc shove that in your pipe and smoke it.
Then low and behold the league is full of world class players from Putney and Slough, doesn't happen.

Get local football clubs run by the FA, get football camps run by the FA, get FA talent scouts in at schools, local leagues, liase with clubs and and get them to see what you are doing and offer them a CHOICE first.

Spot on. They wouldn't be buying these players if what they had already was good enough. It's why Spain doesn't have this problem.

 

[Ramshock]

I'm going to add a few more suggestions to my suggestion above. I'm mainly just throwing sh*t at the wall and seeing what sticks (hey, I could run the FA), so bear with me.

1. English players under the age of 18 cannot earn more than X amount. (make this low enough so that most teams are on a level playing field - 2-5k a week perhaps - encourages players to find right club and not choose more lucrative offers at the expense of their careers)
2. All English under 18s must have an FA representative as an agent
3. U-18s are free to leave their contract at the end of any season if certain criteria are not met (minimum of 5 appearances for PL, maybe more for lower leagues)
4. PL clubs can only play homegrown and U-21s in the League Cup
5. Transfer fees are fixed depending on criteria (appearances/division of selling club/division of buying club/how long the player has been with club) with prices agreed annually by the FA depending on the market

For 5, I was thinking: If a player has appeared in 50% of games for a League two side and is being bought by a League One side, the fee might be fixed at £500,000. If the same player gets an offer from a PL club, the fee will be fixed at £3 million, for example.

The difficult is balance things so that it's fair to clubs, but gives more freedom to young English players while ensuring that they are still protected.

Progressive thinking there..but dont restrict it to english lads. Irish Scottish and Welsh too

 

[RedRover]

Right and right again. Off the top of my head: Italy, Spain and Germany have over 30000 qualified coaches, the UK as less than 3000. Dyke's just a media arse.

He's looking for a quick fix but it isn't happening. Coaching isn't good enough here and that's something that's going to take years to address from the top down.

The problems are due to the fact that the FA are ran by old farts on suits who haven't a clue about the game. Case on point - John Beck working at the new centre of excellence. Jobs for the boys.

 

[devilish]

I don't get this club vs country BS to be honest. If the big clubs had a choice they would always invest on homegrown talent. I mean, the list of advantages on that are obvious. These players tend to stick around with the club more, there is little adaptation risks and they understand the game style and what is expected out of them. No wonder why clubs like United had spent ridiculous amounts of money on local teenagers and English players despite being fully aware that they don't represent value for money.

Also by weakening the big clubs through restrictions, there's no guarantee that that would translate in better players for the national team. The Serie A is in shambles but that hasn't boosted their national team but has actually made it worse as clubs are cutting off expenses by not employing expensive personnel (ie quality managers and youth staff), trimming their youth academies and opting for loaned players whose salary is heavily subsidised by the parent club (ex Torres). Such thing had a devastating effect on smaller clubs who had always relied on producing and selling youth talent as there are few buyers around.

I think that the first thing the FA should ask if player's talent is really the most pressing issue here. I mean take England during the WC. It was outclassed by Italy who are a mess at the moment and then it lost against Uruguay and drew against Costa Rica. With all due respect but while one has to respect nations who had produced great talent such as Suarez, they really aren't at England's level in terms of quality players. Which brings us to ask the next question. What had England achieved when it had some real talent. A bit more then a decade ago Manchester United went on to win the treble. Liverpool and Chelsea followed the lead by winning the CL and Arsenal went close by reaching the finals. Surely the amount of foreigners in their team helped, however what had England achieved with the likes of Scholes, Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard, Owen, Rio, Rooney and Sol Campbell (hence I would probably be called a racist by him)? We all know the answer. So one must really ask if these no shows and erosion in talent is down the fact that England lack of quality coaches at all possible levels.

Another thing which worries me is that football takes two different routes in England. There's the ones who play continental football because that's the only way to thrive in the CL and others who simply don't care about that and play a style of play which is completely unacceptable on a continental level. The FA is guilty for that for allowing referees to close an eye to the physicality of the English game knowing that it is appreciated by the masses. Now tell me, how can anyone ever hope of building a solid national team when a substantial number of clubs produce players who would be more suited for rugby then to teams like Manchester United and Barcelona? How can you ever hope that clubs like United would pay real money for youth talent when such youth talent simply do not exist? No wonder why barely any English youth talent is 'poached' by foreign clubs. This talent are either at fairly rich clubs who have no need to sell or else are busy learning how to knock players out or head the ball from crosses and long balls.

Not to forget that many mid term/small term clubs in Spain/Italy/Germany produce quality youth talent because they have to. They simply lack the funds to get quality players from abroad and often rely on selling their best players to the top clubs to balance the books. In England that simply does not happen. Even the smaller EPL clubs can resist any bids for their own players and can get decent players from abroad.


I think that a holistic approach need to be taken where the focus need to be of producing as many quality talent possible with the right skills to play anywhere (top clubs in England, Germany, France, Spain, the Netherlands etc) and give them their first step in the EPL. There should also be rules that allow more movement for youth talent as long as the 'seller' club get compensated adequately. Football at all levels need to be harmonized around continental football in such a way that a kid from lets say Stoke can move at United without looking too much out of place.