Coming from a neutral, England fans are far from being the worst as people have said in this thread. They just get the most publicity on their stupid actions because everyone consumes english media. Far worse shit happens in other countries, has everyone forgotten what Russian fans did in Euro 2016? Not to mention the ultra culture in Italy, Turkey, Balkans or South America for that matter.
England fans, what is wrong with England fans?
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Most of my (male) friends drank heavily each weekend all through their 20s, one got completely wasted each Friday and Saturday, others drank regularly during the week on top of it. A lot of them (highly functional) alcoholics, even by generous definitions. But none of them are or were the least bit violent. I think the drinking is just a lazy excuse. It makes you (more) annoying, more impulsive, but it doesn't into an aggressive xenophobe from 0 to 100. People booing anthems, trying to seriously hurt people for looking Italian, blocking buses so they can attack Danish (what have they ever done to anyone, except for Fox News?) families, obsessing over a war that's been over for more than 75 years, reacting with glee about a crying little girl. That's not something that comes from the alcohol, it's just a nasty mind set that gets revealed by it. We've seen plenty of it from Southgate and plenty of it over the course of Brexit.
Find it funny that a lot of England fans put it down to their country having 'a bad relationship with alcohol'. Considering you've got Ireland across the pond, who drink even more, and arguably have the best fans in the world.
Ultimately, there's just more self-entitled scumbag fans in England that think themselves, and their country, is better than everyone else. No respect for anyone or anything when the footie comes to town. Obviously, it's not every fan but it's a lot more than the 'few troublemakers' that people make it out to be.
Ultimately, there's just more self-entitled scumbag fans in England that think themselves, and their country, is better than everyone else. No respect for anyone or anything when the footie comes to town. Obviously, it's not every fan but it's a lot more than the 'few troublemakers' that people make it out to be.
What he done. I get the Brexit thing. Problem is the racism has been there for ever, but nobody had done anything about it. Yes there have been campaigns, saying nicely not to do it. It will take more than that to stop it. There is too much about how great we are, that people show complete lack of respect for other nationalities and cultures. It is like we are still Victorians living in the modern age. We are not an Empire any more and it is like some cannot accept it and are fighting against it.
I think this Is an interesting point.
You just know that the type of fans who think it is acceptable to storm barriers, fight with other fans/stewards, jump on top of buses, wreck a town centre, make the sort of xenophobic/aggressive remarks (go back to your own country etc) which have been reportedly made, towards fans coming to support their team, or harass Danish/German families on their way back from a match, are also the sort of people who think it’s reasonable (I won’t even use the word acceptable) to indiscriminately boo other national anthems.
Now, of course I am not saying those who boo are also doing all of the above, as it is no doubt a smaller subsection within. However, it ultimately comes down to basic common decency and respect. And I am absolutely certain that the fans who can go to an international football match and can respectfully observe the anthem of the other team, are not the same fans doing all of the above.
I’m not sensitive, I’m not precious. I actually think as a country, we’re probably going too far the other way in terms of cancel culture and limiting free speech. But when it comes to football, there is definitely a pronounced tribal, aggressive and base-type behaviour that seems to regularly rear its ugly head. When the sort of behaviour we saw yesterday gets reported in other countries, I’m embarrassed by it. We were effectively hosting an international tournament with half the world watching us and that’s how we behave.
Unfortunately, when something is as popular as football you will always have a percentage of A-holes. Football especially seems to attract a larger number than other popular activities. I suspect because the tribal nature of football is very attractive to people who are naturally discriminative (trying to be polite) to people who are different in some way from themselves.
You also have to look it from a historical point of view, abusive chanting, vandalism, and hooliganism in football have basically been acceptable up until the 80's. The routes run deep and that tradition is unfortunately still getting passed down from generation to generation.
I also think the drinking culture is a massive problem, so many people basically think good time = getting hammered. The number of reports that the area around Wembley was surrounded by people who were completely plastered by mid-morning, shows the issue, for many footballs was simply a reason to get rat arsed. That has always been an issue with football is an activity to watch while having a few pints. Unfortunately, as we know a large number of people turn into complete C**ts when there drunk. Combine this with the number of football fans and you have a problem.
You also have to look it from a historical point of view, abusive chanting, vandalism, and hooliganism in football have basically been acceptable up until the 80's. The routes run deep and that tradition is unfortunately still getting passed down from generation to generation.
I also think the drinking culture is a massive problem, so many people basically think good time = getting hammered. The number of reports that the area around Wembley was surrounded by people who were completely plastered by mid-morning, shows the issue, for many footballs was simply a reason to get rat arsed. That has always been an issue with football is an activity to watch while having a few pints. Unfortunately, as we know a large number of people turn into complete C**ts when there drunk. Combine this with the number of football fans and you have a problem.
I just hope that the friends and family of those half wits know what has happened and have a serious word with them. If that is the sum total of their achievements, then I feel sorry for them...
Execute them all. Kick hooligans out of football.
He talked about countries trying to invade England.
When being able to snort lines is all you've got to shout about, you've got a pretty empty life.
It's in throwing shoes over a pub territory.
Has anyone on here ever been to a Rugby Union match or international match? Plenty of booze is consumed and a lot of banter between fans but rarely any violence. I’m not saying there are not muppet supporters in rugby but there are a tiny tiny minority compared to the football ’fans’ who just don’t seem to be able to hold their booze or behave themselves in a civilised way. The media making a big thing about ‘fans’ storming the turnstiles last night and snatching tickets from other supporters, but not a word was said after the Liverpool CL game in Istanbul where the same thing happened. Scousers robbing Scousers. The expectation was pumped up to maximum by the media even to the extent of demanding a holiday today to celebrate the victory.
England is a country made up of descendants of people who invaded us ironically. Romans, Anglo-Saxon, Vikings, Normans. God only knows what they think a pure Englishman is.
I think the most damning thing is that it's 2021, the Euros final was hosted in London, and the away fans had legitimate cause for concern regarding their safety. That is just madness to me.
The jibbing into the ground was pretty shocking tbh. The sheer number of people doing it. I’ve seen a dozen or so fans try it at United games in the past but not even close to the extent of yesterday.
Not sure why there weren’t check points further up Wembley Way to prevent ticketless people getting that far.
Also seems The FA are either too tight to pay the Met to assist with games or don’t want them near the ground as they think it appears oppressive. Whatever reason it is, the sheer fact that in every video I’ve seen there’s barely any officers in sight speaks volumes.
An absolute clusterfeck from the FA/Wembley and all those cnuts trying to force their way in.
Not sure why there weren’t check points further up Wembley Way to prevent ticketless people getting that far.
Also seems The FA are either too tight to pay the Met to assist with games or don’t want them near the ground as they think it appears oppressive. Whatever reason it is, the sheer fact that in every video I’ve seen there’s barely any officers in sight speaks volumes.
An absolute clusterfeck from the FA/Wembley and all those cnuts trying to force their way in.
The biggest problem with England fans is that many can't separate club from country. They cheer for "their player" rather than cheering for the group. So Arsenal supporters will be crying for Saka to get more game time, and even though he is a very good player, there are others (like Grealish) who should be automatic starters. Mind you, for now most England supporters like Grealish. but wait until he gets his big move. If he ends up at city, he won't be England's golden boy anymore either...
Same reason as all the other shit we have to deal with in this country. There's a section of the country that are just inconsiderate and xenophobic idiots.
Nothing more to it other than political leaning.
Nothing more to it other than political leaning.
it is not just hooligans. @duffer had a thread condoning the behavior and said it is what the football experience is all about. Grown men acting like spoiled children all in the guise of getting under your opponents skin. All is acceptable if you make the opponents fans or teammates feel bad. If that is what reasonable people find attractive about attending games, there is a bigger problem than a low percentage of hooligans.
Good post and that point really sticks with me. It’s like people get drunk and try to outdo each other on the shitty behaviour front to stick it to the rich man from their own country and then to the opposition fans too. It’s basically a load of disenfranchised men with a weird sense of national pride in a country and game that doesn’t even really want them. This is their fk you back to them for trying to move on. We don’t care that we make you look bad. You created us, deal with it.
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Yup. As hosts it was their duty to ensure their guests safety. They failed terribly.
Whatever about its origins, the First Past the Post electoral system probably helps to perpetuate it imo.
The UK is unique among European countries in this respect, as it’s the only country with a parliamentary system that uses it.
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Having lived in Spain I reckon English culture is far more violent full-stop. This kind of aggression is ingrained in us from school because of toxic ideas about masculinity, bravery, defiance etc. And the crap weather and diet means we drink loads and lose control.
Sorry to sound negative. I love this country but you see all the flaws in our culture when England play. The cartoonish nationalism, the schoolboy bully-boy attitude, the giddiness, the pack mentality, the inability to control alcohol... Everything.
Yeah, exactly. The typical nasty drunk is someone who is nasty to begin with then let’s their guard slip and reveals their inner arsehole after a few beers. Alcohol doesn’t fundamentally change anyone’s personality.
In Ireland we have a serious problem with alcohol. We’re utterly dependent on it for all our socialising and consume far too much of it. When our football fans go on tour they’re pissed out of their face from dawn til dusk. Scots are similar. We saw what an absolute state they were getting in all over social media before their match against England. In the main, though, they’re happy drunks. Sloppy, messy and not much fun to hang out with if you’re sober but almost never threatening or frightening to be around.
Where England fans differ from the Scots and Irish is the aggressive edge that they seem to get when they’re boozed up. I honestly don’t know how to explain it. What is it within them that makes them more likely to be an angry drunk than a happy drunk but it’s a characteristic of those fans that you can’t ignore.
Looks like a few beered up morons have taken it upon themselves to dish out their own form of stewarding.
Quite disturbing when they're kicking much younger blokes, especially the Italian fella on the floor.
Could probably throw the Welsh in there, too, if we're going through the home nations. No group of people like a piss up as much as them, but in the main, they appear to travel very well like the Irish and Scots.
What national anthem are they booing next?
I get that impression too from having lived there, people in Spain are generally more laid back. They drink but it's a more relaxed vibe.
I don't know why but there's a real arrogance about English people, living in London they love being excessively loud on nights out and loud in general. And then you add in the openly nationalistic / xenophobic sub-culture and it's not a nice mix. I mean I'm sure it's not something that's unique to England but living here it's always magnified.
Yup. Bit depressing that every country in Britain and Ireland has such an obvious problem with booze but I guess that’s a different topic for discussion!
Hungary.
Booing taking the knee too whilst calling out Hungary’s homophobia too I hope
As a neutral from Europe,
thats why we love English fans.
Nothing is more amusing than seeing English hooligans lather each other.
On a different note, I dont think its a coincidence that England managed to win their wars and conquer half of the world.
But to be honest, guess thats also part of your strength (I was born in a country that got pummeled a few times by England. Guess we could have used some of that aggression, really).
thats why we love English fans.
Nothing is more amusing than seeing English hooligans lather each other.
On a different note, I dont think its a coincidence that England managed to win their wars and conquer half of the world.
You dont need to live in Spain to reckon English culture is more violent. Any place other than Russia would suffice.
But to be honest, guess thats also part of your strength (I was born in a country that got pummeled a few times by England. Guess we could have used some of that aggression, really).
Didn't really know where to put this but anyway it's somewhat interesting video
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I never understood the concept of justifying your own actions with "someone else does it too".
It does happen in other countries too and I remember the World Cup in France, a couple of (let's calm them) German's brightest lights beat a french policemen to hospital, almost killed him and caused damage for life. It was address properly in the media and the guys were severely punished as far as I remember. These guys were from the supporter/hooligan scene.
What I find so scary in Wembley is that these were "normal" guys punching the Italy supporters. Like the guys from the store next door. It actually shows a deep frustration within the English society and also that the inhibition threshold (hope that's the correct term) is very low.
England has already big social-society issues which is one of the causes of these misbehaviour of unfortunately not a few. The government and the FA should address these issues and should apologize publicly.
Yes we are all drunken animals and we deserve to be hated. The rest of the UK and Europe are a great bunch of lads and never put a foot wrong. You do get the impression that there are no social issues in any other country but England from reading this thread. Must be great to live in these crime free, social utopias.
I agree with this
Not even one team either, every team has atleast one or two players and then there is the full team of idiots
I gave that a watch expecting something really drastic, but other than 1 chav go over for a few shouts and 1 plastic beer cup thrown in the air, both sides were extremely similar or have I missed something? the youtube comments on that are People still talking about denmark and irish people congratulating italy.
I hope the OP reads this
There's was a couple of cups of beer thrown at the Italians fans(One woman at 5:00)and some England started pushing an Italians kid who was with his mum.
But I really posted it because it goes against the general view in this thread. There was even a nice handshake at the end.
Do you address an issue by deflecting from it or using whataboutism? Do you think England is inherently worse, outside of literal hooli' culture, than other places in Europe for violent outbursts and predictable outpourings of anti-social behaviour? Do you think things turn from 0-100 as rapidly, amongst seemingly normal folk (not hooligans) in mainland Europe as it does in England?
„Other do it as well“ never was a good excuse or explanation.