Yeah. It's particularly silly for the ODI side given no one really thinks he'll play on until the next tournament.
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Morgan often goes through periods where he looks like he's never picked up a bat before, but he has always come through them and got back into form previously.
Starting to think the upcoming T20 World Cup might be his last playing for England though.
Starting to think the upcoming T20 World Cup might be his last playing for England though.
Why is Malan so nervy playing against the fecking Netherlands.
Needing a single to win and he somehow grinds out a maiden...
Moeen must have been watching that totally bemused.
Needing a single to win and he somehow grinds out a maiden...
Moeen must have been watching that totally bemused.
A good comfortable win in the end. Dane and Croft made it look like an absolute road after Notts struggled so much, could well be decisive with the knockout spots. Fairly lucky with the draw that it’s Durham on Thursday who are right down the bottom of the table, hopefully we start getting England players back after that.
He’s the antithesis of this side. He’s in there to anchor but he’s too negative for me. Root should take the 3 spot in both sides for me, he’d put his foot down once his anchor job was done (obviously Malan is just covering for him in the Netherlands, but I’d be swapping Root into the T20’s now he’s given up captaincy)Why is Malan so nervy playing against the fecking Netherlands.
Needing a single to win and he somehow grinds out a maiden...
Moeen must have been watching that totally bemused.
Some top 6 should they all be available for the last 3 games (plus quarters/finals hopefully)...
Salt
Buttler
Croft
Livingstone
Vilas
David
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hi...ounty-circuit-report-101655822707800-amp.html
Sundar to play for Lancs apparently.
Sundar to play for Lancs apparently.
Bit surprised Buttler has won the toss and put the Netherlands in to bat!
I thought given half a chance we would be going for the magic 500!
Obviously the pitch and on the day tactics take precedence but still feels like an opportunity missed.
Perhaps there's an earlier ferry they want to catch!
I thought given half a chance we would be going for the magic 500!
Obviously the pitch and on the day tactics take precedence but still feels like an opportunity missed.
Perhaps there's an earlier ferry they want to catch!
England always back themselves chasing and as VC, Buttler is effectively auditioning for the role as Captain. A loss here would set that back.
There is no possible way England lose to the Netherlands batting first, there just isn't.
Chasing 5 an over there is a small chance, however I still think they will cruise it.
I think in cricket a lot of teams are specialists either batting first or second.
My team, Derbyshire cannot set targets and fortunately we've been chasing a lot recently including 2 matches at the weekend and last night, all of which were won.
But ask us to bat first and we're clueless.
I think England are a better setting team personally.
Cricinfo reporting this now too.
Imagine this is driven by commercial factors from Lancs' POV. With the streaming service, they have now, they'll be looking to pack the breaks with ads for Indian products in the hope that the games will get a big audience in India, just because Washy is playing. County games bring next to no money in, so it's a chance to monetise them. Lancs are already becoming one of the financial powerhouses of the county game and the next step is to start signing Indian players - they tried it with Shreyas last year.
Plus it could be a good move cricket-wise too. The pitches start to turn more towards the end of the season and Old Trafford is one of the biggest 'bunsens' around. Parky, Washy and Livingstone (if he's available) would be a quality spin attack.
In the ad break they showed an advert for hair loss treatment with Shane Warne in it. Bad taste to still air this advert?
Very surprised no one has had the sense to pull this advert. Whether they've paid money out for so many airings or not, doesn't seem right at all to let it carry on.
Eoin Morgan would disagree with you on that last point. England have generally preferred to bowl first in the white ball format for quite a while now.
England are notorius for collapses even in the one day format. With Moeen at 6, there is not a whole load of batting experience following him so if they got to 3/4 down easily then you could see them struggling to post a huge total. If NL had something to chase at, they can play their natural game and not give away cheap wickets when setting a score.
Are we?
I would agree about England. My rationale would be that you should play your strongest suit first, to get ahead in the game.
But if-when we get Archer, Wood and Woakes back, the attack will look completely different.
yeah. notorious for collapsing right into the other team’s mums.
I think England are treating these games as glorified middle practice, to hone their strategies ahead of the World Cup.
Doubt 500 is a massive goal for them really.
Are we?
Yes, here's a couple of examples in recent years:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...alia-after-suffering-batting-collapse-cricket
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...land-first-odi-result-scorecard-b1821227.html
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...stan-champions-trophy-semi-final-match-report
Bowlers would have had time in the middle regardless. NL can hold the bat, they're just not very good at hitting boundaries after the powerplay.
That Buttler six from a double bouncer is one of the funniest things I’ve seen for a while in cricket.
I'd have got an outside edge onto my leg stump.
On the way to another thumping victory, I was thinking he'll just leave it or block it back to him.
Nope, no mercy... WHACK!!
Sooooo, what was the point of that then?
The frustrating thing was that not all the players got a game. Luke Wood, for instance, has just spent a week twiddling his thumbs when he could have been playing in the Blast for Lancs. I'm sure this is true of other players too.
It's a shame Wood didn't play, would have been good to have seen him today for instance. From a bowling perspective there's not a lot you can take from this series.
My key takeaway from this series is that Livingstone has to be in the ODI team. Offers too much to be ignored.
It was insane, I genuinely wondered what the heck he was doing until he tonked it into the stand.
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It was only Wood who didn't play, which makes it worse... Payne played 1 and the rest 2/3.
He wasn't even in the squad photo with the trophy - I'm hoping that's because he was already on his way home, to play for Lancs tomorrow.
He was, yep.
Nice!We won this.
Whatever it is.
Yeah seems a bit unfair on Wood, but to be fair the rest of the squad had all been called up before (Payne was in the squad vs Pakistan but didn't play). Sometimes they like to get a bowler in the squad, do some work with the coaches, get a taste of netting with the internationals, and send them back to their county with some advice or things to work on.
I feel more sorry for Craig Overton who has been 12th man against New Zealand, and his twin brother leapfrogs him from nowhere to start the 3rd test ahead of him
Would have been nice for them to both play together. They have contrasting styles so it could work, and I think Craig is being somewhat underrated. Most of his tests have been overseas where virtually all English seamers struggle, especially medium swing bowlers, he actually averages 27 on home soil tests, all played against Australia and India. The impression of him would change if he had a few home tests on swinging pitches.
I feel more sorry for Craig Overton who has been 12th man against New Zealand, and his twin brother leapfrogs him from nowhere to start the 3rd test ahead of him
Would have been nice for them to both play together. They have contrasting styles so it could work, and I think Craig is being somewhat underrated. Most of his tests have been overseas where virtually all English seamers struggle, especially medium swing bowlers, he actually averages 27 on home soil tests, all played against Australia and India. The impression of him would change if he had a few home tests on swinging pitches.
Craig is actually missing out because Jamie concussed him.Yeah seems a bit unfair on Wood, but to be fair the rest of the squad had all been called up before (Payne was in the squad vs Pakistan but didn't play). Sometimes they like to get a bowler in the squad, do some work with the coaches, get a taste of netting with the internationals, and send them back to their county with some advice or things to work on.
I feel more sorry for Craig Overton who has been 12th man against New Zealand, and his twin brother leapfrogs him from nowhere to start the 3rd test ahead of him
Would have been nice for them to both play together. They have contrasting styles so it could work, and I think Craig is being somewhat underrated. Most of his tests have been overseas where virtually all English seamers struggle, especially medium swing bowlers, he actually averages 27 on home soil tests, all played against Australia and India. The impression of him would change if he had a few home tests on swinging pitches.
As for the rest, just no. I never want to see the name Craig Overton in relation to international cricket ever again. We’ve been through enough.
One of those moves that works out for everyone. India get to look at him in English conditions (also if they urgently need someone when over here I’m guessing they’ll pick up the phone), and Lancashire get to see what he’s all about (plus like you mention, I’m sure it’ll move the needle on Lancs TV).
I’m not sure how many games are actually at Old Trafford while he’s here though, I think most are Southport or Sedbergh during that spell.
Don't knock it, these are kind of trophies Arsenal would shout about.We won this.
Whatever it is.
Craig was available for selection, but yeah Jamie did concuss him.
The 2nd part really highlights my point about how Craig is perceived. However his first class average over the past few years has been as good as anyone, and his test average is decent considering the games he has played. If he had a run in the side in a couple home series he would do as well as Robinson did last summer.
I don't share the impassioned despair some have over Craig Overton but I also find this highly unlikely.
Craig has also never helped himself with the whole racism thing and refusing to apologise.
He’s a poor bowler who’s also a shit bloke, it’s quite easy to see why many passionately dislike him.
Malan averages 60 so far in ODIs, S/R of 90 odd. Averages 40 in 20/20 with a S/R of 137. Surprised to see discontent, I'd love to know what performances are acceptable. Think we're finding things to question to be honest. I do think he's more suited to opening than 3 though.
Also Robinson is a class bowler. Don't think the Overtons are in his league. I think he should be in England's best test side when fit. Keeps it steady. Him Archer and someone else would be the backbone of a an attack to take England forward after Jimmy and Broad if these guys get off the treatment bench.
Also Robinson is a class bowler. Don't think the Overtons are in his league. I think he should be in England's best test side when fit. Keeps it steady. Him Archer and someone else would be the backbone of a an attack to take England forward after Jimmy and Broad if these guys get off the treatment bench.
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