Phew, i thought that would be umpires call, but missed by a mile
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Umpire Joel get another decision badly badly wrong. This guy is terrible
Ooo just too high, lucky. We're still all over the shop
Finally get to watch a day's cricket.
Both these sides are crap at batting
To be fair though, some good bowling on display.
Wow, I thought that LBW was out.
Both these sides are crap at batting
To be fair though, some good bowling on display.
Wow, I thought that LBW was out.
Yeah, I don't mean to be horrible because he's doing his best, but how is he still umpiring? Just gets everything wrong.
Feel for the guy but come on...
At this point they might as well go full Brian Lara Cricket and invert the order.
In fairness that wouldn't be very high up on his list of errors (admittedly a very long list at this point), I though Denly was a goner there.
Root's captaincy hasn't benefited either himself or the team. We need a change at the end of the series whatever happens.
Jack Leach as an opener... we know it works.
On Roy it probably doesn't help your confidence when you're struggling, batting in an unfamiliar position when the bloke who advocated for you doing the job, despite there being no obvious reason why you could do it, saying to the press before the game:
"Personally, I think Jason probably is suited to the middle order," Bayliss said as England arrived for training in Leeds ahead of the third Test starting on Thursday. "We've selected him at the top of the order because of his form in the one-day team, but it's obviously not quite the same as opening the batting in a white ball game.
Bayliss is an absolute moron.
"Personally, I think Jason probably is suited to the middle order," Bayliss said as England arrived for training in Leeds ahead of the third Test starting on Thursday. "We've selected him at the top of the order because of his form in the one-day team, but it's obviously not quite the same as opening the batting in a white ball game.
Bayliss is an absolute moron.
Did the exact same with Nick Compton.
Root isn't even lining it up anymore. Getting out to straight ones and has no idea where his off stump his.
Rob Smyth on the Guardian was saying he thinks because Bayliss is going after this series Root might cling on to avoid a Fergie and Gill both leaving at the same time fiasco.
I just think he's been captain for 2 years and I don't think we've improved at all. We're still the same incredibly inconsistent test side. We've just drifted for 2 years.
Might as well put Root in as opener for the second innings and move Roy down the order....
We might at least get something out of Roy in the middle order... where as we're getting nothing out of Root wherever he is.
We might at least get something out of Roy in the middle order... where as we're getting nothing out of Root wherever he is.
I did think Denly should have opened today. Him and Burns looked solid together at Lord's in both innings.
Yeah I saw that. Tbf it's a flawed comparison though isn't it. Fergie and Gill were both highly accomplished and successful. Root and Bayliss have both failed to create a consistent test side so they'd be no great loss.
As you say, we've gone nowhere since Root took over. Selectorial decisions are totally random and bowling changes are utterly predictable. Then you've got the fact that Root was averaging mid-50s before getting the captaincy and is now averaging under 40. For that reason alone he should be relieved of his duties.
Nothing against Root - he seems like a good lad and he's one of the best players in the world. Just think the captaincy doesn't suit him and that's reflected in his record.
Pretty much what's happening now anyway.
Yeah Denly could work - not like he's been setting the world on fire from 4th anyway.
Need to get Roy out of opening though - its completely pointless.
Not fair that. He's clearly an excellent one-day coach. Our white-ball side is a model of consistency and he's in charge of that, too.
He's clearly not up to the task of building a test side though. We've reverted to the days of chopping and changing and have gone backwards as a result.
It's a fiasco already! There doesn't seem to be much of a candidate to replace him unfortunately. Stokes or Buttler basically. Buttler needs to nail his spot beyond doubt and if you make Stokes captain you might as well forget about him as a bowler. Then outside of those two you're basically starting to think silly things like, 'why don't we just pick Morgan as a specialist captain?'
And a few others to boot. He's fine when he's in charge of a side which is basically fine, like the ODI side which had already worked out what it was doing before he started and which had a good captain in Morgan, but when he has to actually earn his corn and do some coaching he has been an unmitigated disaster.
I can see why the ECB didn't want to upset the ODI apple cart, but he really should have gone after the last Ashes.
I don't think his time in charge suggests that.
He took over a well captained ODI side who had set out their stall with the way they wanted to play in the NZ series and had a clear plan. By all accounts he's a decent sounding board for players and encourages them to stick to their guns when things get tough (which was important at times for our ODI side as they developed), but I don't think he deserves much more credit than that for the vision and direction the team took.
Painful watching England try to bat. Just grim.
Yeah I'd have Root give up the captaincy whatever happens this series.
He's had 2 years, it's a decent amount of time and you'd struggle to say we've progressed in any way. Beating India and then winning in Sri Lanka suggested maybe something was happening but losses in the West Indies and now this have ended that talk.
Christ we're bad.
Shit
Need a big innings from Stokes here.
Need a big innings from Stokes here.
I honestly think we could put up as much fight as a top order by selecting the best 5 batsmen from this thread. I'll open, who's with me?
Our Test batting is just utterly shocking.
England need to start picking South African batsmen again.
Stokes or broke(s)
Can't even blame Ramprakash anymore, Thorpe is the batting coach now and we've gotten even worse.
Gary Ballance is in excellent nick this year
Working nicely for Australia at the moment anyway...
Like Australia?
My career batting average is about 3, and there's plenty of red-inkers in there. If you need a spin bowler I'm in but batting? Better look elsewhere.
It'll be Buttler. That's why they're doing everything possible to keep him in the side.
Burns
? (Sibley, Crawley)
? (Vince again maybe)
Root
Stokes
Roy/Bairstow/Buttler/Pope
Foakes (wk)
Woakes/Curran
Archer
Leach
Broad/Anderson
This is England's best team, find another opener and a proper 3, pick only one of Roy, Bairstow and Buttler. Take the captaincy off of Root and get his batting back where it needs to be.
? (Sibley, Crawley)
? (Vince again maybe)
Root
Stokes
Roy/Bairstow/Buttler/Pope
Foakes (wk)
Woakes/Curran
Archer
Leach
Broad/Anderson
This is England's best team, find another opener and a proper 3, pick only one of Roy, Bairstow and Buttler. Take the captaincy off of Root and get his batting back where it needs to be.
My god, why is Stokes playing that.
That is mental.
That is mental.
Such a stupid ball to swing at
Good god.